philat98

How did we ever manage without it?

jonwel

Oh dear, do I need to have a PEC? I haven't got one - never needed one up to now, I'll have to see how to go about getting one. Meanwhile, can't they reply without one, not even to tell me I need one?

PS - I've now contacted IOM and they confirm that the Questura may well not have received my message because it didn't come from a PEC. So now another rottura di c*****ni ! In addition, due to understaffing, the Q may take 10-15 days to reply. I'll have to find other ways...

philat98

The address you gave looks like a Pec. Their computer system might discard non Pec mesages. I have a Poste Pec. €12 for 3 years. It takes a while to set up.

Serrano

A PEC address will 'normally' accept non-PEC emails, but it can also be set up to reject them. However, in this last case it is normal to send a rejection message to the originator. PEC is worth having, in my opinion, for anybody. The cost is really low, and all emails sent through PEC have the legal status of a letter 'Raccomandato AR'. In my experience it was very easy to set up, but I already had email services through Aruba, who then just added a PEC address.

Because of the legal status of PEC mails it is very much beloved of the Public Administration and I would expect to see it getting used more and more as the years go by. Incidentally, Italy is one of only 3 or 4 countries in the world to have any form of legally-certified email ...

modicasa

I agree. Im legally required to have a PEC, but they save you a fortune on raccomandate. Every time you want tell TIM, ENEL or the comune something, they have all the force of a legal letter, and also require a response. It also means you cant deny ever having received mail.

Serrano

... in fact it's better than a Raccomandata, because a Raccomandata only certifies that something was sent and received, whereas a PEC preserves and guarantees exactly what the content was (i.e. the email itself and all attachments)

37100

The article about the difficulties faced while awaiting the biometric card is in Italian, but the comment section is in Engllish.

https://www.repubblica.it/londra/202...xit-289373653/

Plan B

The British Embassy in Rome and the IOM are holding an online Q & A session on 4th March. Here is the text of their message for those that are interested and have not seen it yet:

philat98

There will be many pictures of laughing pensioners enjoying the dolce vita to pacify the angry mob.

jonwel

Thanks a lot to all those who have given me information about the PEC. However, it did occur to me too, that if a message is rejected I should get an "undelivered" notification. I haven't got one, so if they're taking a long time to reply it's more likely to be through understaffing and I'll just have to wait.

philat98

There are various possibilities. It looks like it can be rejected by the mailbox, forwarded to a non PEC address at the same site or ignored. Did you look in your spam box to see if the mail was rejected?
https://www.laleggepertutti.it/36184...ale-ad-una-pec

philat98

Now that the UK is breaking agreements with the EU it makes me think that Italy could decide to ditch this Biometric card. The administrative cost must be quite substantial.

Geordieborn

Unfortunately anything the UK does over agreements can be no worse than the EU disregard for agreements by invoking Article 16 of NI protocol

heritagestanley

Don't agree. Yes, the Commission made a bad mistake in threatening to invoke Art 16 but very quickly backed down and acknowledged the mistake. The UK Government, by contrast, is quite unapologetic about breaking a very recent binding agreement, and doing so in circumstances where the EU would very probably have agreed to the Government's proposals if it had been properly consulted as it should have been. The relationship needs to improve quickly; but unfortunately Johnson and co continue to see short-term political gains from appearing to act tough

Geordieborn

I would agree most of this, but there was no apology from the EU and no acknowledgment of their massive failure and mistake. Give the upper hand to Bozo and Co. the result is obvious. I'm a big EU fan despite their cr@p record, but if they continue like they (and the UK) are we will have major, major problems on a scale not seen since 1933... ish!