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Old Oct 19th 2017, 9:09 am
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I have been looking to obtain citizenship here as I have been resident for about 9 years.
The problem I have is that because I have no income here I only pay tax in the U.K. The online application requires details of three years tax returns in Italy. I am getting different advice from three different professionals. Has anyone had this issue?
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Old Oct 19th 2017, 12:10 pm
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The Prefetura told me that you have to show 3 CUDs (income after tax) above the required limits. They told me that income from the UK does not count.
The Prefetura attached my partners CUDs to the application but said the application might be rejected.
If you have been living in Italy for 9 years and resident 183 days each year you should be paying tax in Italy. May be best make sure your tax situation is correct before having too much contact with the authorities.

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Old Oct 26th 2017, 8:07 am
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The Prefetura told me that you have to show 3 CUDs (income after tax) above the required limits. They told me that income from the UK does not count.
The Prefetura attached my partners CUDs to the application but said the application might be rejected.
If you have been living in Italy for 9 years and resident 183 days each year you should be paying tax in Italy. May be best make sure your tax situation is correct before having too much contact with the authorities.
Hmm, they didn't ask for any CUDS on line,

I have just received and E mail from them telling me my appointment is in 10 days. They added I need apostille stamp and my police record.

They have my police disclosure, I am now trying to find out if the British Consulate can stamp them

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Old Oct 26th 2017, 9:55 am
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Im self employed so dont have a CUD, but had to give them my tax returns. Presumablyy even if you are paid in the UK you have been doing your tax returns here as you are resident. They should suffice I would have thought.
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Your police disclosure needs to be legalised in the UK and then it adn the apostille need to have a traduzione giurata here.
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Old Oct 26th 2017, 10:53 am
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I had 5 visits to the Prefetura before the form was ready for submission. I expect every office does something different. I don't understand why they told me that income from the UK is not considered positively when say a UK pension is more secure than evidence of historical income from an Italian job.
Its 2 or 3 years before you find the outcome. Tocca ferro.

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I think the CUD is like a P60, a summary of your earnings from an employer, so you could potentially have more than one "CUD" - although I believe they're not called CUDs anymore but UNICOs. If you have only one employer and no "other" income then the CUD/UNICO should be sufficient.

If you do have "other" income to declare, UK rental or pension or earnings, or Italian "ritenuta d'acconto" for example, or if you want to claim a rebate on mortgage interest, subsidies on home improvements etc etc, then you must do an annual tax return. Unfortunately this probably won't be "self assessment" (although I think the Italians are trying to move on this but it seems too complicated for most at the present time).

So, what the citizenship application wants is 3 years of proof that you have been paying your taxes in Italy. So, this might be proven by 3 CUDs/UNICOs or by full "Dichiarazione dei Redditi" (Income Declaration more commonly known as a Tax Return), depending on your own financial position.

Basically, all the Italian authorities want to know is that you've been paying your dues while resident, or at least for the last three years. Which seems fair enough to me.
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Old Oct 27th 2017, 5:26 am
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Just to complicate things the CUD is now called the Unica, and the tax return the Unico!
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This little article explains the financial requirement for citizenship.
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Unico has been replaced, as far as I'm aware, with Redditi. At least that was the name on the top of my tax return this year.

So difficult to keep my with the latest terminology in the modern world!
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Unico has been replaced, as far as I'm aware, with Redditi. At least that was the name on the top of my tax return this year.

So difficult to keep my with the latest terminology in the modern world!
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Its the modello Unico for the Dichiarazione dei Redditi, so Donna has the right idea
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We have been in the process of applying for It. citizenship for c. 18 months now, only to have seemingly fallen at the last hurdle.
Italians can't seem to understand that most women in England, when married, take their husband's surname.
They won't accept our ORIGINAL marriage certificate, but are insisting on an "apostilled"/certified copy from England. For reasons unknown to us, this is now proving a problem in England, (unlike our other documents : birth certificates, police checks, etc., which were done and sorted without problems).
Hey ho; back to the drawing board!
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All certificates must be apostilled to prove their legality, and then translated and sworn at the tribunale.
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