Getting information of a cars previous owner?
 

Hello,

I am wondering if one of the members here, or possibly a lawyer if that is needed can help out with the following:

4 cars where bought in Italy and imported the Sweden (this was year 2011). The Swedish tax authorises request proof about the cars previous owners - we only have the chassis nr but would need to get hold of either a) previous owners name, or b) the last licence plate the car had in Italy.

Any help is appreciated, and as said, if this is a job for a lawyer and there is one out there who can help us, please get in touch

Regards,
tradian

Re: Getting information of a cars previous owner?
 

The obvious place where the information would be kept is the PRA databank -

https://online.aci.it/fornituradatiweb/index.asp

http://www.quattroruote.it/norme_e_d...analeuscita=44

If so, the problem is how to access it. A lawyer ? The Swedish equivalent of the PRA ? Can anybody ask ? Should you get someone to ask for you ? Maybe some agenzia pratiche could do it, or at least advise you how it should be done.

Re: Getting information of a cars previous owner?
 

Thanks for getting back to me!

Yes, that is the problem... The Swedish authorities will definitely not do it, so would need someone else to do it. Problem again is that we dont speak Italian. Will maybe try and find an agenzia pratiche, or as said, if anyone here is up for the challange please get in touch.

Re: Getting information of a cars previous owner?
 

How about sending a message in simple English (short sentences) to

http://www.agenziapraticheauto.it/ri...formazioni.cfm

Chassis number is "numero telaio".

:fingerscrossed:

Re: Getting information of a cars previous owner?
 

or post the questions in english on the Italian languages thread and one of us might even translate it for you to fill in ;)

Re: Getting information of a cars previous owner?
 

Oh, a translation would be very welcomed indeed...

" To whom is may concern"

We imported 4 cars from Germany to Sweden, cars that originated from Italy. Due to the tax system in Sweden the authorities are asking us to proof that in Italy, at some point, the cars where owned by a private person. We have the chassi nr for all the cars, but would need the name of a previous owner or / and the Italian licence plate the car had when registered in Italy.

We would greatly appreciate any help /advice you could give us in this matter.

Kind regards,
Tradian"

PS: emailed a agenzia pratiche but no reply, so not sure they can help out or maybe its just me being naive thinking that they will reply the same day they get the email..

Re: Getting information of a cars previous owner?
 

The bureaucracy in Italy runs slowly - be patient it will take time. The above Italian translation will not be perfect but is close enough that they understand

ciao ciao

Re: Getting information of a cars previous owner?
 

Thats fantastic Garbatellamike, many thanks! If you ever come to Munich make sure to PM me, I owe you a Mas (the BIG pints we have around here) or 2..

Re: Getting information of a cars previous owner?
 

I've been looking into this.

The ACI website actually has an online service to access the public registers of vehicles and owners for a cost of 5.65 Euro.

https://servizi.aci.it/VisureInternet/welcome.do

Unfortunately you need the number plate. I can't find any real info on how to get info from the "telaio".



P.S. "To whom it may concern" does not exist in Italian.

If you don't have the name of the person to write to, a generic heading is simply :

Gentile signore/a or Egregio signore/a

Re: Getting information of a cars previous owner?
 

Damn I so nearly did that :o - oh well live and learn thanks Lorna

Re: Getting information of a cars previous owner?
 

I had to write millions of letters when I was working so I have lots of standard phrases fixed in my brain. My formal Italian is better than OH's.

God knows how many times I had to type out "con l'occasione porgiamo cordiali / distinti / i nostri più cordiali saluti."

Re: Getting information of a cars previous owner?
 

Yes, the problem is the number plates - as we bought them from a German dealership we dont have any records of the Italian plates - only the chassi nr. I am sure this is registered somewhere, the question is if there is a way to get a licence plate tied up to the chassi nr, and so on the ACT website get the previous owners...

I have now emailed agenziapraticheauto.it, lets see if they get back to me..

Re: Getting information of a cars previous owner?
 

Did the cars still have Italian plates when they got to Germany?
What did the Germans do with them?

Re: Getting information of a cars previous owner?
 

They dont have any records of the Italian plates they say... They said they took in the cars on "red" plates, special dealership plates..

Re: Getting information of a cars previous owner?
 

I'm absolutely sure the chassis number IS tied to the car number plate(s) and the previous owner(s) in the records. Also sure there's a way of tracing the history of a car via its chassis number. Don't the police do that sort of thing ?

In fact I thought that was part of the raison d'être of a chassis number - http://posizionetelai.it/?page_id=227

If the agency write back in Italian tell us and someone'll translate it.

I expect they'll mention fees. That'll be the ACI/PRA fees (for each car) and the agency's own fees.

At some time you'll need to tell them the chassis numbers. Do it like this

FIAT 500 - numero telaio XXXXXXXX

FERRARI TESTAROSSA - numero telaio XXXXXX

APE 50 - numero telaio XXXXXXXX

Have you got the logbook ("carta di circolazione", commonly called a "libretto") for any of them ?