Crisis in Italy ??
Oct 29th 2008, 4:21 pm
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Re: Crisis in Italy ??
And we live in the same place! Who do you speak to?
Come and visit me at work any day and see the other side. We have only the legal immigrants. Lots of refugees looking for work and no sign of work or benefit of any kind. Rome is just not that good a place to find factory or building work anyway.
Anyway, I don't want to dwell on immigrants. Just one example of an Italian in difficulty, one of many: someone who has worked alot in nero through necessity, brought up a family, paid rent, has children maybe at university or just finishing school, his health fails (tumour, dialysis, serious accident etc) and just can't work full stop. He has absolutely no income. No sick pay, no unemployment, no social security. Maybe family members try to get jobs and pay the rent. But maybe they can't manage and they get evicted eventually. Maybe they end up in shelters, and they actually stay there 'cos there is no way out. If you don't have a family to support you then it's the end.
I'm not making this up, I could give you lots of examples.
Come and visit me at work any day and see the other side. We have only the legal immigrants. Lots of refugees looking for work and no sign of work or benefit of any kind. Rome is just not that good a place to find factory or building work anyway.
Anyway, I don't want to dwell on immigrants. Just one example of an Italian in difficulty, one of many: someone who has worked alot in nero through necessity, brought up a family, paid rent, has children maybe at university or just finishing school, his health fails (tumour, dialysis, serious accident etc) and just can't work full stop. He has absolutely no income. No sick pay, no unemployment, no social security. Maybe family members try to get jobs and pay the rent. But maybe they can't manage and they get evicted eventually. Maybe they end up in shelters, and they actually stay there 'cos there is no way out. If you don't have a family to support you then it's the end.
I'm not making this up, I could give you lots of examples.
Don't know how true this is.
Your job must be hard, seeing such situations every day.
Oct 30th 2008, 3:20 pm
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Re: Crisis in Italy ??
You can't be serious? I too live in Rome and know many people who scrape by and people who can't scrape by. People who monthly have to make a choice between paying the rent and buying food. Couples whose combined salary is 1400 euros. People who are so deep in debt, getting out is not an option. It's really sad.
There is always the otherside of the coin of course. Professionals with well paying jobs etc.
There is always the otherside of the coin of course. Professionals with well paying jobs etc.
Oct 30th 2008, 5:19 pm
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Re: Crisis in Italy ??
The govenment really needs to change the system to help these people. My friend runs a factory here and said she pays people 800 euro for a full day week. they are on part time contracts but work full time. She said the govenment make it hard for employees to pay their workers properly as they have too much tax to pay.
Don't know how true this is.
Your job must be hard, seeing such situations every day.
Don't know how true this is.
Your job must be hard, seeing such situations every day.
After my maternity leave I was point blankly refused the option of returning to the same job part-time. I quit in the end.
Oct 30th 2008, 9:44 pm
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Re: Crisis in Italy ??
Basically the whole bloody thing stinks dont you think ??????
Anyway went to work today and it was like the twilight zone - a handful of us in an enormous factory - all the machinery was off - not a soul in sight and the music of the twilight zone kept playing in my head .......
One of my students said it was like The Day After .......maybe she was right !
Anyway went to work today and it was like the twilight zone - a handful of us in an enormous factory - all the machinery was off - not a soul in sight and the music of the twilight zone kept playing in my head .......
One of my students said it was like The Day After .......maybe she was right !
Jan 12th 2009, 12:40 pm
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Re: Crisis in Italy ??
Things were bad in sicily before the financial crisis.... its even more worse now!!
Jan 12th 2009, 7:11 pm
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Re: Crisis in Italy ??
There's been a financial crisis in Naples for as long as I've known.
Jan 14th 2009, 11:17 am
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Re: Crisis in Italy ??
Okay I am new to all this so can one of you guys explain a few of these terms
Nero = ??
busta paga = ??
regola = ??
I have been offered a job at a school 10 euro per hour after deductions, 20 hours per week, and that it will rise to 13 per hour when I show my Certificates, is this a realistic amount to life on, I will be (Possibly) in the Tuscany region.
Nero = ??
busta paga = ??
regola = ??
I have been offered a job at a school 10 euro per hour after deductions, 20 hours per week, and that it will rise to 13 per hour when I show my Certificates, is this a realistic amount to life on, I will be (Possibly) in the Tuscany region.
Jan 14th 2009, 12:02 pm
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Re: Crisis in Italy ??
Hi
My small amount of Italian includes these 3 words so
nero - working outside of the tax system, no paperwork etc
busta paga - pay packet
regola - all in order ie on the books
Linda
My small amount of Italian includes these 3 words so
nero - working outside of the tax system, no paperwork etc
busta paga - pay packet
regola - all in order ie on the books
Linda
Last edited by lindaf; Jan 14th 2009 at 12:06 pm. Reason: wrong word!
Jan 14th 2009, 12:58 pm
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Thank you Linda, I had made an educated guess to that effect but wanted to be certain, the village I visited recently in Tuscany seemed to only have nero workers lol, including the two teachers I met, they seemed very happy with their life, had a lovely place to live and said the were even saving for their retirement, it was on their recommendation that I decided to study the TEFL course and take the plunge, the nerve racking part will be in Feb when I have to give notice of my house tenancy, there will be no going back after that lol
Jan 14th 2009, 1:25 pm
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Re: Crisis in Italy ??
Or the three words could end up naughtily being mixed up which for some people is unfortunately unavoidable.
Let's say a person is working an 8 hour day but only getting a 'bust paga' for 4 hours. The other four hours are paid in 'nero' so that person still wouldn't be completely and legally 'in regola'.
Let's say a person is working an 8 hour day but only getting a 'bust paga' for 4 hours. The other four hours are paid in 'nero' so that person still wouldn't be completely and legally 'in regola'.
