Red Eric

When travelling directly between Schengen states, you won't (normally) go through passport control at either end.

You will, though, need to provide id before boarding if you're flying. A residence document is only any good for id in the country of issue and I wouldn't rely on it even then for this purpose.

But the extra passport validity rules won't apply when using the passport for id in this way for internal Schengen travel, nor for entering Italy as a resident coming from outside of Schengen. In both cases I'd say it is necessary and wise to carry both docments.

Lorna at Vicenza

If you are an EU national, you do not need to show your national ID card or passport when you are travelling from one border-free Schengen EU country to another and we are no longer EU nationals. We might be residents here but we are not citizens.

Geordieborn

Don't forget at most airports they know where the plane (therefore passengers) are coming from... A bit like an internal flight whereby there is no passport/document check.

Red Eric

Precisely.

Under normal circumstances, all passengers coming from within Schengen are intentionally routed to avoid passport control on arrival at airports. Passport control occurs at external borders only.

campos

but when flying you (eu nationals) still need to show photo ID when boarding a plane. Maybe not if drivjng across borders..

pugliese

In August I went to the UK on my British Passport and came back to Italy with my carta biometrica and the passport wasn't stamped.
Whilst in the UK, we took the ferry from Dover to Calais and my passport was stamped entering and then exiting France.
I wasn't sure if I should have said that I'm a permanent resident in Italy ...
Anybody know the correct thing to do?

tpw21

I travel on an Irish passport so don’t have direct experience but I honestly don’t think it matters because your status overrides the entering and exiting stamps.

C.2s

It's that Pugliese's question is if we "know" what is the correct thing to do, but we're probably all having to respond with what we "think" or "believe"... and also what any random border guard "might" do.

Anyway I think that in Pugliese's case it's not exactly the correct thing, because the passport shouldn't have been stamped, but as in this instance there's both an entrance and exit stamp, it's not going to be a problem.

If there's only an entrance stamp then it's theoretically possible that at some later stage , on leaving the EU months or years later, that a border guard might say that you have overstayed the 90 days that Brits are allowed to.... and then at that point you would then need to prove your legal status to show that the 90 days rule doesn't apply to you. Theoretically that's not a problem. So not worth losing sleep over. Actually having that conversation at a port or airport with all the stress of the situation and the jobsworth attitudes of border staff isn't something I personally look forward to. Especially if it's trying to show Italian documentation to people in other EU countries (where I don't speak the language) because the documents aren't standard throughout Europe.

I'm not sure if there's been any cases of people having problems recently... last year I did read about people not being permitted to leave France until they paid a fine.
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Bomber Harris

Resident's cards issued by all EUMS have followed a standard format since 2002.

C.2s

That's true to some extent. All ID cards are in a standard format. And as part of Article 50 all EUMS agreed to protect the rights of British citizens living in their country. But that's a bit like saying all driving licences are in a standard format. They are, but that doesn't mean the laws that apply to driving or holding a license are the same in each EU state (they are not). And obviously each country was able to implement Art 50 in a way that works in conjunction with their existing laws.

I expect you know that, so apologies for stating the obvious.

Anyway, I'm not sure which country you are in, but we have documents (not ID cards) that prove our Art. 50 status in Italy that I think don't exist in other countries and are written in Italian. And we have ID cards but they say that they are not for use outside of Italy.

I expressed my personal doubts about a potential future problem. It's not difficult to imagine that one arrives on a border somewhere and a border guard has no idea what Article 50 means and they insist all British are now outside the EU and starts processing your passport incorrectly . It's happened to me several times. I'm not saying I am worried about explaining things in Italian to an Italian border guard, but I am less confident about having that conversation on the border of other countries in other languages.

Like I said it's not something I lose sleep over, but it doesn't hurt to think about it a bit in advance.

tpw21

Does anyone know if it’s possible to fly domestically with the carta di identità for non-citizens?

philat98

According to this you can fly internally with a driving licence. When I have taken internal flights they always wanted a passport.

tpw21

I’m going to try the ID card next time and see if it works - technically it should be possible as you’re not traveling abroad.

philat98

Tell us how you get on!

pugliese

I've travelled internally before with my carta di identità and had no problems. Never tried the driving license but I've read that it's valid too.