Any way to stay more than 90 days but less than 180 in one trip??
#76
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Re: Any way to stay more than 90 days but less than 180 in one trip??
I’m don’t think people are trying to avoid tax, but are simply wanting to stay in Italy under Brexit rules for more than the 90/180 days, hence the subject of the post. Tax came into it, as did Elective Residency (ER) as part of a potential solution with the former (tax) being raised as an implication of the latter (ER), which to me does not seem to be the case? Regards the DTA (which is here), yes of course people should be looking at it, understanding it is another matter. Modi has said technically you should fill in a tax return, but indicated in reality most would not do so. Our experience with the Comune tax guy is that he thought the same when we were resident there. As to “saving just a few Euro”, I’m not too sure circa 1800/year is a few Euro to someone on a 13000 income? When tracking down the DTA link above I also came across this tax comparison calculator (unfortunately after my spreadsheet calc) between the UK and countries which might of use to some.
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Re: Any way to stay more than 90 days but less than 180 in one trip??
Casagialla - youare inscribedin AIRE so can have a prima casa in Italy and lots of other benefits- Plus you are only here 5 months a year, so technically youspend the larger part of the year abroad. You are Italian so dont need to do paperwork when you get here, You pay non resident bank charges, but now you can open an N26 account, with Italian IBAN and its free. You pay IMU (if you own a house, but for the convenience of being Italian and resident abroad, I reckon it must be worth it. Trying to prove that you are tax resident in the Uk because you live there, but would like like to be resident in Italy because you don't, is asking too much!
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Re: Any way to stay more than 90 days but less than 180 in one trip??
Hi. For those of you that are UK citizens but with want to visit for longer than the 90 days in 180, a petition is running on Parliament's site
Petition: Negotiate more favourable post-transition travel rules for U.K. citizens
Petition: Negotiate more favourable post-transition travel rules for U.K. citizens
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Re: Any way to stay more than 90 days but less than 180 in one trip??
Hi. For those of you that are UK citizens but with want to visit for longer than the 90 days in 180, a petition is running on Parliament's site
Petition: Negotiate more favourable post-transition travel rules for U.K. citizens
Petition: Negotiate more favourable post-transition travel rules for U.K. citizens
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Re: Any way to stay more than 90 days but less than 180 in one trip??
well they wont if they are asked.
I doubt if Brits even think about other countries, and why should they?
Many Brits bought houses when UK was in the EU, an EU citizen can stay in the UK for 180 days on the trot, without needing to be either a resident nor a tax resident, so why not the other way round, especially when considerable investment has been made under a previous regime
I doubt if Brits even think about other countries, and why should they?
Many Brits bought houses when UK was in the EU, an EU citizen can stay in the UK for 180 days on the trot, without needing to be either a resident nor a tax resident, so why not the other way round, especially when considerable investment has been made under a previous regime
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Re: Any way to stay more than 90 days but less than 180 in one trip??
Get citizenship. That would solve the problem.
#82
Re: Any way to stay more than 90 days but less than 180 in one trip??
For 3rd country citizens you might wait up to 15years.
It is hard to imagine the UK government wasting time on the 90 in 180 day rule. Johnson, Cameron and May take their holidays in Italy so it is always possible. Workington Man wont be worried.
It is hard to imagine the UK government wasting time on the 90 in 180 day rule. Johnson, Cameron and May take their holidays in Italy so it is always possible. Workington Man wont be worried.
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Re: Any way to stay more than 90 days but less than 180 in one trip??
Well I have signed and I hope others do too. I bought my house in 2006 and so I was able to enjoy it uninterrupted for upto 180 days prior to brexit. Nothing ventured nothing gained and it only takes a couple of minutes so come on everyone why not?
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Re: Any way to stay more than 90 days but less than 180 in one trip??
well they wont if they are asked.
I doubt if Brits even think about other countries, and why should they?
Many Brits bought houses when UK was in the EU, an EU citizen can stay in the UK for 180 days on the trot, without needing to be either a resident nor a tax resident, so why not the other way round, especially when considerable investment has been made under a previous regime
I doubt if Brits even think about other countries, and why should they?
Many Brits bought houses when UK was in the EU, an EU citizen can stay in the UK for 180 days on the trot, without needing to be either a resident nor a tax resident, so why not the other way round, especially when considerable investment has been made under a previous regime
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Re: Any way to stay more than 90 days but less than 180 in one trip??
With the attitude of your representative to further negotiate with the EU I doubt the EU will give you anything.
#86
Re: Any way to stay more than 90 days but less than 180 in one trip??
If it's reciprocity you're looking for though, why not petition the UK government to shorten the maximum stay for visitors?
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Re: Any way to stay more than 90 days but less than 180 in one trip??
well they wont if they are asked.
I doubt if Brits even think about other countries, and why should they?
Many Brits bought houses when UK was in the EU, an EU citizen can stay in the UK for 180 days on the trot, without needing to be either a resident nor a tax resident, so why not the other way round, especially when considerable investment has been made under a previous regime
I doubt if Brits even think about other countries, and why should they?
Many Brits bought houses when UK was in the EU, an EU citizen can stay in the UK for 180 days on the trot, without needing to be either a resident nor a tax resident, so why not the other way round, especially when considerable investment has been made under a previous regime
The UK left the EU because some didn't like EU rules. Now they're subject to different EU rules, they still don't like it. I have no sympathy, I knew what I voted for.
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Re: Any way to stay more than 90 days but less than 180 in one trip??
So what is the big deal about 90 days?? You don`t need to register for tax for 183 days.
Just because some people decided to take up residency, shouldn`t mean that others that dont want to (not just for tax reasons), should not try to get an easier way to spend more than 90 days at a time, then all this visa rubbish, especially if they have a property to go to, and have health insurance.
You can drive a car for 180 days on your UK licence without being a resident.
None of this makes any real sense to me. (as normal with anything to do with the EU)
Of course some residents may decide, later in life to return to the UK, where they will expect to avail themselves of all that the UK will offer them at that time.
Just because some people decided to take up residency, shouldn`t mean that others that dont want to (not just for tax reasons), should not try to get an easier way to spend more than 90 days at a time, then all this visa rubbish, especially if they have a property to go to, and have health insurance.
You can drive a car for 180 days on your UK licence without being a resident.
None of this makes any real sense to me. (as normal with anything to do with the EU)
Of course some residents may decide, later in life to return to the UK, where they will expect to avail themselves of all that the UK will offer them at that time.
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Re: Any way to stay more than 90 days but less than 180 in one trip??
Just because some people decided to take up residency, shouldn`t mean that others that dont want to (not just for tax reasons), should not try to get an easier way to spend more than 90 days at a time, then all this visa rubbish, especially if they have a property to go to, and have health insurance.
You can drive a car for 180 days on your UK licence without being a resident.
None of this makes any real sense to me. (as normal with anything to do with the EU)
Everything made perfect sense to me. I suspect you're having issues because the rules aren't the same as the UK's.
Of course some residents may decide, later in life to return to the UK, where they will expect to avail themselves of all that the UK will offer them at that time.
#90
Re: Any way to stay more than 90 days but less than 180 in one trip??
From above post "expectation of entitlement", says it all!
Brexit is here, like it or not. So get used to its gifts and move on.
Brexit is here, like it or not. So get used to its gifts and move on.