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threlly Apr 16th 2004 2:37 pm

i.t jobs
 
are there many I.T jobs in sydney OZ.
cheers

jasper pentop Apr 17th 2004 3:30 pm

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isnt there a world wide glut in most IT jobs?

bondipom Apr 17th 2004 11:10 pm

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Originally posted by threlly
are there many I.T jobs in sydney OZ.
cheers
What area of IT? It is still tight but getting better in some areas.

threlly Apr 18th 2004 2:37 pm

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Originally posted by bondipom
What area of IT? It is still tight but getting better in some areas.

programming and web design

threlly Apr 18th 2004 2:38 pm

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Originally posted by bondipom
What area of IT? It is still tight but getting better in some areas.

programming and web design, we r planning to live in sydney

bondipom Apr 19th 2004 7:53 am

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Originally posted by threlly
programming and web design, we r planning to live in sydney
Web design is still tight. There are plenty of opportunities for programmers but be prepared for lots of competition.

threlly Apr 20th 2004 7:54 pm

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Originally posted by threlly
programming and web design, we r planning to live in sydney
we are planning to live north shore area, manly, dee Why to start with.

daveuk1965 Apr 25th 2004 8:14 pm

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Originally posted by threlly
we are planning to live north shore area, manly, dee Why to start with.
Very little chance unless you come with XML, Javascript, database integration, T-SQL, SQL Server management skills........ I`m an Oracle DBA and I`ve been out of work three years here in the UK. There simply is nothing for anyone anywhere at the moment, unless you`re both very lucky and very specialised.......

sbasak Apr 26th 2004 3:07 am

How can an Oracle DBA be out of work for 3 years??? DBA & PL/SQL skills are always in demand everywhere!

ecando Apr 29th 2004 7:56 pm

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Originally posted by threlly
we are planning to live north shore area, manly, dee Why to start with.
We're 'hopefully' headed that way sometime this year ... we could hitch up to tackle contract work?? I'm in the same field (ish) as you ..
:beer:

mcjimbo Apr 29th 2004 10:12 pm

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Originally posted by daveuk1965
Very little chance unless you come with XML, Javascript, database integration, T-SQL, SQL Server management skills........ I`m an Oracle DBA and I`ve been out of work three years here in the UK. There simply is nothing for anyone anywhere at the moment, unless you`re both very lucky and very specialised.......
Perhap you should retrain in doing web design, or perhaps do a microsoft certification?

daveuk1965 May 13th 2004 7:25 am


Originally posted by sbasak
How can an Oracle DBA be out of work for 3 years??? DBA & PL/SQL skills are always in demand everywhere!
I take it you`re American ? :D

Well, I`m not sure what the answer is, but perhaps I`d better ask most of my mates, who`re driving buses or selling used cars at the moment.

In the UK, wages dropped by half, you were expected to do the work of the entire department, relocation packages were totally shelved, no one took anyone one ....... there`s ONE DBA job within 40 miles of here. Probably about 50 DBA`s chasing it, and they`ll take on a consultant with 10 years experience who`s desperate for ANY salary at all.

Believe you me, "IT meltdown" outside London / Home Counties, which I can`t afford to move to - and have never ever ever wanted to work in.

daveuk1965 May 13th 2004 7:27 am

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Originally posted by mcjimbo
Perhap you should retrain in doing web design, or perhaps do a microsoft certification?
There are MCSE`s out of work in the UK - there are new IT graduates getting less money than shop assistants.......

korky May 13th 2004 5:38 pm

Here is a link to over 300 jobs

http://www.jobserve.com/it/jobserve/...Rank&WebSite=*

ecando May 13th 2004 6:03 pm


Originally posted by korky
Here is a link to over 300 jobs

http://www.jobserve.com/it/jobserve/...Rank&WebSite=*
daveuk1965

here's three near home
Obviously Oracle is NOT my strongest point ( :confused: ) so they may not be suited ... but they are out there. Where're u looking to go?

daveuk1965 May 18th 2004 4:06 am

Yep, there`s three near home on Jobserve. ;-)

And there`s 500+ unemployed Oracle professionals in the area.

Plus - Jobserve`s a very famous site full of monkey agents who never, never, never chase jobs up. ;-)))))))))) UK IT recruitment agents are such low quality monkeys that the best bet is almost always to ignore `em and go direct to the employer.

In these troubled times, the employer will take on a CONSULTANT with 10 years experience who`s just glad to get a job - any job - at all. Also, if you walk in with a gap in your CV, any employer nowadays will use that as a wedge to knock $10k minimum off your wages.

Plus (again) if you take a one year break from IT, no one but no one will put you in charge of £600 million worth of data. Simple reason is that "your skill set is not current". Actually, builds of Oracle are so similar that it makes stuff all difference, but the point is that the market here is utterly different from the US, and believe me, you hit 40 here in IT and the scrapheap calls. ;-)))))))))

ecando May 18th 2004 6:01 am

Well Dave, I wish you all the best in the US sellin plane parts .. it's a shame (understatement I know) that you skills aren't apprecieated ... nor required.

:(

bondipom May 18th 2004 9:06 am


Originally posted by daveuk1965
Yep, there`s three near home on Jobserve. ;-)

And there`s 500+ unemployed Oracle professionals in the area.

Plus - Jobserve`s a very famous site full of monkey agents who never, never, never chase jobs up. ;-)))))))))) UK IT recruitment agents are such low quality monkeys that the best bet is almost always to ignore `em and go direct to the employer.

In these troubled times, the employer will take on a CONSULTANT with 10 years experience who`s just glad to get a job - any job - at all. Also, if you walk in with a gap in your CV, any employer nowadays will use that as a wedge to knock $10k minimum off your wages.

Plus (again) if you take a one year break from IT, no one but no one will put you in charge of £600 million worth of data. Simple reason is that "your skill set is not current". Actually, builds of Oracle are so similar that it makes stuff all difference, but the point is that the market here is utterly different from the US, and believe me, you hit 40 here in IT and the scrapheap calls. ;-)))))))))
Sounds like careerone.com.au and Australia

daveuk1965 May 19th 2004 12:23 am


Originally posted by ecando
Well Dave, I wish you all the best in the US sellin plane parts .. it's a shame (understatement I know) that you skills aren't apprecieated ... nor required.

:(
Thanks, Ecando. ;-)

Yep, unfortunately, I`m not being pessimistic but realistic. Wish it wasn`t the case, but - well, world occaisionally changes and you have to change with it. ;-))))

I`m on a doley training course here in the UK. Just whiling away the days until Florida comes along. Today I got an IT lecturer / harangue from a real smarmy little toad who`s got a job (looking after a half dozen computers !! :D) who think light shines out of his posterior. There he was, going on and on about how expert he is and what he knows and does (virtually zero) - so I sit there, smiling away, looking out of the window -

"Didn`t you used to be in IT ? " he eventually says.....
"Yep, used to run IKEA`s European data network" says I. "Graduate, four languages, 20 years of IT experience, do anything, go anywhere - and here I am on the dole". :D

There ARE lucky examples - my brothers` in IT and weathered the recession due to the field he was in - but - even if you DO get something now, it`s all six month contracts at best. I can`t honestly recommend anyone to go into IT- there are new graduates coming out now to jobs which pay less than working in a shop.

DaveThomas May 21st 2004 6:45 pm


there are new graduates coming out now to jobs which pay less than working in a shop.
so true it's sad.

i'm an asp/vb developer with skills in animation too (flash and maya)
3yrs ago with that skill set i could get upto £40k in the North West UK, you'll be lucky to find anything over £22k now.

that's a big drop on salary with no extra jobs to go with it. a sad state of affairs to be true, which has even seen me go back into my original trade of bricklaying and getting more money.

and them so called it employment agencies are nothing more than book fillers, over 60% of their jobs are usually filled when they post an advert, the whole point being to get you on the register, and sell out when they hit 100,000 members or so.. i wouldnt waste my time even looking there. my g/f worked for a large agency for 3 yrs and told me the truth of what goes in.

i'm looking at going to new zealand in the next few years, but if the possibilty of IT work is out the question over there, i may stay in the UK.

ecando May 21st 2004 6:59 pm


Originally posted by DaveThomas
so true it's sad.

i'm an asp/vb developer with skills in animation too (flash and maya)
3yrs ago with that skill set i could get upto £40k in the North West UK, you'll be lucky to find anything over £22k now.

that's a big drop on salary with no extra jobs to go with it. a sad state of affairs to be true, which has even seen me go back into my original trade of bricklaying and getting more money.

and them so called it employment agencies are nothing more than book fillers, over 60% of their jobs are usually filled when they post an advert, the whole point being to get you on the register, and sell out when they hit 100,000 members or so.. i wouldnt waste my time even looking there. my g/f worked for a large agency for 3 yrs and told me the truth of what goes in.

i'm looking at going to new zealand in the next few years, but if the possibilty of IT work is out the question over there, i may stay in the UK.
Check out here and you'll be pleasantly surprised. I'm (hopefully) heading out to Oz with the family, and I do similar freelance work, as well as TEFL, and am very confident about finding work ...

daveuk1965 May 22nd 2004 7:52 pm

Ecando, that`s just another jobs board full of monkey agents, I`m afraid. I wish you all the best of luck, and I hope your optimism isn`t misplaced........

ecando May 23rd 2004 10:13 am


Originally posted by daveuk1965
Ecando, that`s just another jobs board full of monkey agents, I`m afraid. I wish you all the best of luck, and I hope your optimism isn`t misplaced........
Well, several of those board monleys have sent me personal emails upon my "application" to some of the jobs ... I explained that, as yet, I couldn't apply, but informed them of my visa app process. All were very positive and didn't sound at all forced. Optimism reigns in our household:


Both optimists and pessimists contribute to our society. The optimist invents the airplane and the pessimist the parachute. ~Gil Stern
:D

ocoste Feb 12th 2005 11:52 pm

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Originally Posted by korky

Hi Guys,

I can only back up what Dave has said. Also, in the UK IT is a very ageist market and I reckon I'm the same vintage as Dave. Experience does not seem to count very much.

I have MCSE, ITIL and Prince2 and still looking for work.
p.s. I know the Jobserve site but try getting past the agencies.


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