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What Indian parties do the UK press, BBC Tec support, why do you accuse them of bias and presenting a negative image of India...
You once askedcshy they carried news of child rape and abuse in India.
We are not discussing the loyalty or otherwise of UK papers towards UK politics.
I just mentioned the Guardian-- they employed Tharoor as a columnist! His aim was leader of Congress, before his present legal problems.

I did not ask why BBC carried stories of child rape and abuse. The question was why they indicated it was worse than in UK and USA when statistics FACTS showed this not to be so.
I do not know why the BBC has a bias against India or why it is that you have such a bias also.

The fact that UK papers support particular political parties was to indicate that is what
the press does both in Uk and India!
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I just mentioned the Guardian-- they employed Tharoor as a columnist! His aim was leader of Congress, before his present legal problems.

I did not ask why BBC carried stories of child rape and abuse. The question was why they indicated it was worse than in UK and USA when statistics FACTS showed this not to be so.
I do not know why the BBC has a bias against India or why it is that you have such a bias also.

The fact that UK papers support particular political parties was to indicate that is what
the press does both in Uk and India!
The BBC never did that's your usual invention and diversion tactic. ..

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The BBC never dud that's your usual invention and diversion tactic. .
You have a short memory.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/...the-facts.html
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Thats not the BBC and is there anything that is not a fact in the article..

What about the gang rape of little Muslim girls and the efforts of local Hindu politicians to protect the rapists..
You just hate facts, it has always been your problem which is why you are not taken seriously,..

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Thats not the BBC and is there anything that is not a fact in the article..

What about the gang rape of little Muslim girls and the efforts of local Hindu politicians to protect the rapists..
You just hate facts, it has always been your problem which is why you are not taken seriously,..
Did you actually read the article?????

It is about the BBC FILM 'India's daughter' and makes the point that the film was EDITED, to cut out the FACTS that rape statistics are WORSE in the USA and UK.

Yes the article was a fact----perhaps you could actually read it!!!

All rapes are dreadful and trying to cover up by local politicians is obviously criminal!!!!

EMR---- if you could READ posts and try to see FACTS as they are, instead of your constant search for something negative to say about India and Indian people and getting it wrong,
it would then be possible for people to discuss with you.


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Did you actually read the article?????

It is about the BBC FILM 'India's daughter' and makes the point that the film was EDITED, to cut out the FACTS that rape statistics are WORSE in the USA and UK.

Yes the article was a fact----perhaps you could actually read it!!!

All rapes are dreadful and trying to cover up by local politicians is obviously criminal!!!!

EMR---- if you could READ posts and try to see FACTS as they are, instead of your constant search for something negative to say about India and Indian people and getting it wrong,
it would then be possible for people to discuss with you.
I post nothingvsbout India,

The sad thing about you is that you cannot accept what us in the Indian media because it confuses the image you have of India..

You when in India live in one one the top ten poorest states , how many times have you admitted that,

Its the Indian media which reports that which upsets you do much..
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I post nothingvsbout India,

The sad thing about you is that you cannot accept what us in the Indian media because it confuses the image you have of India..

You when in India live in one one the top ten poorest states , how many times have you admitted that,

Its the Indian media which reports that which upsets you do much..

Would you like to post an apology for misreading the article about the BBC Film???

I read and accept what is in the Indian Media in the same way that you read and accept what is in the UK media.

I think Karnataka is number 5th in GDP. What has that got to do with anything??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...itories_by_GDP





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Having travelled from rural Rajastan to Kerala, the difference in wealth and prosperity in South was evident.
YES we were told that remittances was at least 20 % of the states GDP but historically Keralans had always been amongst the nations greatest travellers in search of work and trade..
I also accept that those of us from the West do not want to see the beauty that is Kerala replaced by the dirt, pollution etc evident in other parts of India.
Kerala has a socialist state government, hardly communist. .
I will be in Tamil Nadu later this year and then back in Kerala, I look forward to seeing the differences and comparing them.
But here is a suggestion, is Keralas problems due in part to the central government's preference for those ethnically , culturally and socially closer to those in the North where the influence of the raj and it's development and infrastructure were focused..
That is what we were told by Keralans we met who were very proud of their state , " God's own Country ".
What does government really have to do with economics anyway that people can’t? I’d imagine if Kerala were treated to such double-standards by the Centre, TN, Andhra and Karnataka would face the same. The rest are all industrial hubs. Malayalis have soaked into their veins the socialist habit of not taking responsibility for their own failures and blaming everyone else. The central government couldn’t act against the state even if it wanted to. Kerala has one of the longest coastlines along the Indian Ocean with a harbor better than Mumbai. Here’s another gem of a lament that usually comes from Kerala - there are no natural resources so no manufacturing is possible. Singapore, little bigger than Trivandrum district, has a bigger economy than Kerala and Karnataka combined. No natural resources. South Korea. No natural resources. Japan. No natural resources. Taiwan. No natural resources. Kerala, and the rest of India but especially Kerala, missed out massively on the electronics manufacturing revolution which essentially paved the way for zero-economies such as post-war Japan and Korea to claw their way to First World status. Where did Japan find the steel to make their Honda’s and Toyota’s? Where did Korea find the steel to build their ships? What the hell was India, and especially Kerala with her so-called “educated” population, doing all this time?

Kerala had a massive head start over other parts of India esp northern India at the start of freedom because of the progressive, benign rule of the native princes. This was the case with Mysore as well; good government in India was not a British preserve, and Indians knew how to run things well even back then. Kerala’s high socio-economic credentials were bequeathed it by them; under the commies things followed a natural course where near 100% literacy was achieved in the 1990s. It didn’t need the commies to be there for it to happen.

The centre may have devoted more resources to deprived areas in the beginning, which were and continue to be in the north. To paint it as ethnically, regionally, linguistically biased is Marxist nonsense you should not fall for. So you’re telling me there is no cultural, ethnic, regional and linguistic bias in the Arab states from where Malayalis make most of their liquid income? Yeah, go to town with that mate. And should this bias not extend to the presumably much darker Tamils in neighbouring Tamil Nadu, which is the Detroit of India with the lion’s share of its manufacturing facilities? Tell that proud, lazy Malayali to face some facts and get off his high horse.

There was a time when the Marxists blamed the “imperialist” West for not being able to feed people, a bit like Maduro does today. India is a voluntary union of states bound together by a common lack of animosity. If anything, membership of the much larger Indian nation has allowed Kerala to mask its weaknesses and utter mismanagement. If it were its own country, Kerala would have been bankrupt a long long time ago. May I suggest you procure a copy of the state finances and find out for yourself what makes up the major components of the state’s GDP and the government’s income. When was the last time the state government balanced its budget? Mind you, this government does not have responsibilities for external defense and diplomacy. Did you know that in 2018, over 100 working days were lost due to strikes? Rural Rajasthan might be poor, but they are a landlocked state and they are only modenising slowly. Kerala is geographically blessed yet manages to squander it all away.

To those who are so proud of their state, you must inquire of them as to how many of their relatives work in the Gulf or in other states. Chances are more than a few. If no one wants to spend their productive lives working and building a career in the state, then what exactly are people proud of? The trees did not need people planting them; Kerala naturally abounds in vegetation. And why should Malayalis be denied an opportunity to modernize and industrialize so that we in the West can feel good about ourselves that Kerala does not become polluted?

You must also consider one thing. There is hardly a single country or province in the world that is landlocked that has managed to be economically successful. This pattern repeats in country after country across the world. Of course, exceptions are few like Switzerland, but it is the house for the wealth created in maritime countries which surround it. In China, it is the coastal provinces that account for the bulk of its productivity. Russia is a laggard despite its size because, for all practical purposes, it is landlocked. Vietnam can rocket to growth while Laos cannot because of this. Britain is the quintessential maritime nation of yore. It is also why Afghanistan is a doomed prospect whoever governs it. Within India itself, those states which have access to the sea have a natural advantage, in the age of ocean trade over those that don’t. The “wealth” of the landlocked states of India is essentially cultural heritage from a time when land trade mattered and was competitive with ocean trade. The discovery of the sea route to India by Portugal essentially sounded the death knell for the entire land-based Silk Road trade route about 600 years ago now. This is also why OBOR is a doomed project with no real outcome. So, states along Peninsular India shouldn’t be complaining about lack of favour from the central government; they have, to borrow a Marxist phrase, inherited privilege by virtue of their location. That commie hothouses like Bengal and Kerala have done nothing with this boon is all down to their own incompetence and cluelessness as anything else. If they couldn’t figure this out, then I wonder what the point is with all that literacy.

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What does government really have to do with economics anyway that people can’t? I’d imagine if Kerala were treated to such double-standards by the Centre, TN, Andhra and Karnataka would face the same. The rest are all industrial hubs. Malayalis have soaked into their veins the socialist habit of not taking responsibility for their own failures and blaming everyone else. The central government couldn’t act against the state even if it wanted to. Kerala has one of the longest coastlines along the Indian Ocean with a harbor better than Mumbai. Here’s another gem of a lament that usually comes from Kerala - there are no natural resources so no manufacturing is possible. Singapore, little bigger than Trivandrum district, has a bigger economy than Kerala and Karnataka combined. No natural resources. South Korea. No natural resources. Japan. No natural resources. Taiwan. No natural resources. Kerala, and the rest of India but especially Kerala, missed out massively on the electronics manufacturing revolution which essentially paved the way for zero-economies such as post-war Japan and Korea to claw their way to First World status. Where did Japan find the steel to make their Honda’s and Toyota’s? Where did Korea find the steel to build their ships? What the hell was India, and especially Kerala with her so-called “educated” population, doing all this time?

Kerala had a massive head start over other parts of India esp northern India at the start of freedom because of the progressive, benign rule of the native princes. This was the case with Mysore as well; good government in India was not a British preserve, and Indians knew how to run things well even back then. Kerala’s high socio-economic credentials were bequeathed it by them; under the commies things followed a natural course where near 100% literacy was achieved in the 1990s. It didn’t need the commies to be there for it to happen.

The centre may have devoted more resources to deprived areas in the beginning, which were and continue to be in the north. To paint it as ethnically, regionally, linguistically biased is Marxist nonsense you should not fall for. So you’re telling me there is no cultural, ethnic, regional and linguistic bias in the Arab states from where Malayalis make most of their liquid income? Yeah, go to town with that mate. And should this bias not extend to the presumably much darker Tamils in neighbouring Tamil Nadu, which is the Detroit of India with the lion’s share of its manufacturing facilities? Tell that proud, lazy Malayali to face some facts and get off his high horse.

There was a time when the Marxists blamed the “imperialist” West for not being able to feed people, a bit like Maduro does today. India is a voluntary union of states bound together by a common lack of animosity. If anything, membership of the much larger Indian nation has allowed Kerala to mask its weaknesses and utter mismanagement. If it were its own country, Kerala would have been bankrupt a long long time ago. May I suggest you procure a copy of the state finances and find out for yourself what makes up the major components of the state’s GDP and the government’s income. When was the last time the state government balanced its budget? Mind you, this government does not have responsibilities for external defense and diplomacy. Did you know that in 2018, over 100 working days were lost due to strikes? Rural Rajasthan might be poor, but they are a landlocked state and they are only modenising slowly. Kerala is geographically blessed yet manages to squander it all away.

To those who are so proud of their state, you must inquire of them as to how many of their relatives work in the Gulf or in other states. Chances are more than a few. If no one wants to spend their productive lives working and building a career in the state, then what exactly are people proud of? The trees did not need people planting them; Kerala naturally abounds in vegetation. And why should Malayalis be denied an opportunity to modernize and industrialize so that we in the West can feel good about ourselves that Kerala does not become polluted?

You must also consider one thing. There is hardly a single country or province in the world that is landlocked that has managed to be economically successful. This pattern repeats in country after country across the world. Of course, exceptions are few like Switzerland, but it is the house for the wealth created in maritime countries which surround it. In China, it is the coastal provinces that account for the bulk of its productivity. Russia is a laggard despite its size because, for all practical purposes, it is landlocked. Vietnam can rocket to growth while Laos cannot because of this. Britain is the quintessential maritime nation of yore. It is also why Afghanistan is a doomed prospect whoever governs it. Within India itself, those states which have access to the sea have a natural advantage, in the age of ocean trade over those that don’t. The “wealth” of the landlocked states of India is essentially cultural heritage from a time when land trade mattered and was competitive with ocean trade. The discovery of the sea route to India by Portugal essentially sounded the death knell for the entire land-based Silk Road trade route about 600 years ago now. This is also why OBOR is a doomed project with no real outcome. So, states along Peninsular India shouldn’t be complaining about lack of favour from the central government; they have, to borrow a Marxist phrase, inherited privilege by virtue of their location. That commie hothouses like Bengal and Kerala have done nothing with this boon is all down to their own incompetence and cluelessness as anything else. If they couldn’t figure this out, then I wonder what the point is with all that literacy.
I understand what you are saying, we first visited Kerala about 35 years ago and as I explained to EMR its has deteriorated to our eyes.
However the political system is democratic-----the left wing government was voted in by the people.
What do you think the coming election result will be?

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What does government really have to do with economics anyway that people can’t? I’d imagine if Kerala were treated to such double-standards by the Centre, TN, Andhra and Karnataka would face the same. The rest are all industrial hubs. Malayalis have soaked into their veins the socialist habit of not taking responsibility for their own failures and blaming everyone else. The central government couldn’t act against the state even if it wanted to. Kerala has one of the longest coastlines along the Indian Ocean with a harbor better than Mumbai. Here’s another gem of a lament that usually comes from Kerala - there are no natural resources so no manufacturing is possible. Singapore, little bigger than Trivandrum district, has a bigger economy than Kerala and Karnataka combined. No natural resources. South Korea. No natural resources. Japan. No natural resources. Taiwan. No natural resources. Kerala, and the rest of India but especially Kerala, missed out massively on the electronics manufacturing revolution which essentially paved the way for zero-economies such as post-war Japan and Korea to claw their way to First World status. Where did Japan find the steel to make their Honda’s and Toyota’s? Where did Korea find the steel to build their ships? What the hell was India, and especially Kerala with her so-called “educated” population, doing all this time?

Kerala had a massive head start over other parts of India esp northern India at the start of freedom because of the progressive, benign rule of the native princes. This was the case with Mysore as well; good government in India was not a British preserve, and Indians knew how to run things well even back then. Kerala’s high socio-economic credentials were bequeathed it by them; under the commies things followed a natural course where near 100% literacy was achieved in the 1990s. It didn’t need the commies to be there for it to happen.

The centre may have devoted more resources to deprived areas in the beginning, which were and continue to be in the north. To paint it as ethnically, regionally, linguistically biased is Marxist nonsense you should not fall for. So you’re telling me there is no cultural, ethnic, regional and linguistic bias in the Arab states from where Malayalis make most of their liquid income? Yeah, go to town with that mate. And should this bias not extend to the presumably much darker Tamils in neighbouring Tamil Nadu, which is the Detroit of India with the lion’s share of its manufacturing facilities? Tell that proud, lazy Malayali to face some facts and get off his high horse.

There was a time when the Marxists blamed the “imperialist” West for not being able to feed people, a bit like Maduro does today. India is a voluntary union of states bound together by a common lack of animosity. If anything, membership of the much larger Indian nation has allowed Kerala to mask its weaknesses and utter mismanagement. If it were its own country, Kerala would have been bankrupt a long long time ago. May I suggest you procure a copy of the state finances and find out for yourself what makes up the major components of the state’s GDP and the government’s income. When was the last time the state government balanced its budget? Mind you, this government does not have responsibilities for external defense and diplomacy. Did you know that in 2018, over 100 working days were lost due to strikes? Rural Rajasthan might be poor, but they are a landlocked state and they are only modenising slowly. Kerala is geographically blessed yet manages to squander it all away.

To those who are so proud of their state, you must inquire of them as to how many of their relatives work in the Gulf or in other states. Chances are more than a few. If no one wants to spend their productive lives working and building a career in the state, then what exactly are people proud of? The trees did not need people planting them; Kerala naturally abounds in vegetation. And why should Malayalis be denied an opportunity to modernize and industrialize so that we in the West can feel good about ourselves that Kerala does not become polluted?

You must also consider one thing. There is hardly a single country or province in the world that is landlocked that has managed to be economically successful. This pattern repeats in country after country across the world. Of course, exceptions are few like Switzerland, but it is the house for the wealth created in maritime countries which surround it. In China, it is the coastal provinces that account for the bulk of its productivity. Russia is a laggard despite its size because, for all practical purposes, it is landlocked. Vietnam can rocket to growth while Laos cannot because of this. Britain is the quintessential maritime nation of yore. It is also why Afghanistan is a doomed prospect whoever governs it. Within India itself, those states which have access to the sea have a natural advantage, in the age of ocean trade over those that don’t. The “wealth” of the landlocked states of India is essentially cultural heritage from a time when land trade mattered and was competitive with ocean trade. The discovery of the sea route to India by Portugal essentially sounded the death knell for the entire land-based Silk Road trade route about 600 years ago now. This is also why OBOR is a doomed project with no real outcome. So, states along Peninsular India shouldn’t be complaining about lack of favour from the central government; they have, to borrow a Marxist phrase, inherited privilege by virtue of their location. That commie hothouses like Bengal and Kerala have done nothing with this boon is all down to their own incompetence and cluelessness as anything else. If they couldn’t figure this out, then I wonder what the point is with all that literacy.
Intersting point you make Karnataka is one if India's top ten poorest states way below Kerala .
Does not seem that your alternative to the governance in Kerala works that well does it...
Indeed some may want to turn their state into a polluted concrete covered Iindustrial wasteland but judging by the electoral record the majority does not...
like others you clearly do not knows what a communist regime looks ,like, .
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Would you like to post an apology for misreading the article about the BBC Film???

I read and accept what is in the Indian Media in the same way that you read and accept what is in the UK media.

I think Karnataka is number 5th in GDP. What has that got to do with anything??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...itories_by_GDP
Karnataka is in the top ten of India's poorest states measured by the % of the population below India's set level of poverty..21% below the poverty level 2018 figures.

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I understand what you are saying, we first visited Kerala about 35 years ago and as I explained to EMR its has deteriorated to our eyes.
However the political system is democratic-----the left wing government was voted in by the people.
What do you think the coming election result will be?
Sir, my genuine opinion is that the state is undergoing a long-term decline, not unlike a former Soviet Bloc East European Petri dish. The demographics of the state, at the current rate, is just not sustainable for a functioning economy. The bitter truth is that there is not one soul born there today who wants to work, build a career and spend their productive years in the state. The state is facing an ageing crisis with no parallel in the developing world. The state politics, so bitterly riven by identity politics, ensures that at some point, there will be severe sectarian discord. There is an ongoing problem with radicalization of the state’s resident Muslims, something that could imperil the state’s security in the years to come. Unlike the rest of the country, there will be a severe population decline in the state by about 2030. And there will not be much of an economy left except for a few town centers.

No one dares to question the system fundamentally - the culture of complaints and idleness has seeped so far - so it is really immaterial who wins the elections per se; you don’t have a real left-right contest here.

As for May 2019, my prediction for Kerala is a Congress Alliance sweep, with a large increase in BJP voteshare. The commies have pissed off enough people that they will likely be punished severely for it. It is hard to predict India at this stage, since the media are so biased to the Left and in polite conversation, people with right-wing tendencies tend to be reserved - not unlike Trump supporters, you can never really know how people will vote. Modi & Co’s supporters are still seen as the uncouth type. What is becoming clear is that this is a religious election. Even if you were to award every Muslim USD 100,000 for voting NDA, they’d vote INC, just ‘cause. There is little contest there. And the likelihood is that they are just going to vote like their lives depended on it to turn the outcome in their favour ie the INC; the seething resentment is palpable. Triple Talaq has done little to split the Muslim vote.

The real vote contest is among the Hindus; they are the constituency that is up for grabs. I’m really surprised Modi has not pulled out the Hindu card yet; he still goes about inaugurating projects and talking about development as if nothing has concerned him. He is the shrewdest politician in India today, and for those who take politics as a sport, watching him at work is pure joy, like watching Sachin at the crease at full flow.

To his credit, May 2019 is essentially a referendum on Modi - to my mind, there is no politician to stand up to his stature. He is the Indira Gandhi of the 2010s. He has stayed silent so far on the Ram Mandir, which is the go-to stroke whenever things get tough, and for most people, it is only a matter of time before the BJP is compelled to talk about it. The caste parties are ineffective as Modi has rendered them toothless. Commies are out. The regionals may become important depending on the seat count. Opportunists like Shiv Sena are openly threatening Modi with rebellion; so far Modi hasn’t flinched. There are elements within his own party who are hinting at looseness; again, no reaction. One thing is for sure: this is a Modi-no Modi vote. Rahul Gandhi and the others don’t even begin to come into the picture. That alone may be enough to get him elected a second time. There are existential problems with many smaller parties in this election, for if their coalition fails, then that may spell the beginning of their decline. I don’t think an electoral exercise has been this engaging in the recent past.
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Karnataka is in the top ten of India's poorest states measured by the % of the population below India's set level of poverty..21% below the poverty level 2018 figures.
The point about Karnataka is that there is a great difference in incomes, between those employed in IT (IT Hub of India---- Bangalore/Hyderabad). Greatest number of medical colleges.etc. etc.
On the other hand much of the State is rural --small farmers, fishermen, also large forest areas with forest dwellers. These facts bring down the 'average' income.

Why do you ask me to "admit it"? We just live there, not in charge of employment!!!


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The point about Karnataka is that there is a great difference in incomes, between those employed in IT (IT Hub of India---- Bangalore/Hyderabad). Greatest number of medical colleges.etc. etc.
On the other hand much of the State is rural --small farmers, fishermen, also large forest areas with forest dwellers. These facts bring down the 'average' income.

Why do you ask me to "admit it"? We just live there, not in charge of employment!!!
Still has 21 % below the poverty level, how does that compare to Kerala. ..?

WE spent an I getting night watching the election forcasts last December for the state elections which proved to be correct with the BJP looking seats.

The national elections are going to be even more interesting, .
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Intersting point you make Karnataka is one if India's top ten poorest states way below Kerala .
Does not seem that your alternative to the governance in Kerala works that well does it...
Indeed some may want to turn their state into a polluted concrete covered Iindustrial wasteland but judging by the electoral record the majority does not...
like others you clearly do not knows what a communist regime looks ,like, .
Sir, the alternative to the governance in Kerala works pretty well in places where the Malayalis seek employment:l and residence: GCC, UK, US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc. Even in Asia, economies which restarted from zero such as Korea, Japan, Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand, Malaysia have all gone way past Kerala despite similar resource situations. For heaven’s sake, Bangladesh is doing better than Kerala these days. If one-half of the working year is taken up by labor strikes, it looks pretty communist to me. I’d rather not know much more, you know, with the forced collectivizations, Gulags, concentration camps, indoctrination centers and what have you. Of course, there is the Communist showpiece countries such as Venezuela, where, with the largest oil reserves in the world, people are trained to eat rats because food is scarce. Or North Korea. Even there is a Chinese joke which goes on the lines of - if you put the Communists in charge of the Sahara, in a few years there will be a shortage of sand.

You must not forget than India as such is still a constitutionally socialist state; poverty and misery are a given. Karnataka is a large state and is not uniformly progressive. Southern Karnataka - the former Mysore state - is way more developed than the Konkan and northern Karnataka, a lot of which was under the Nizam. Bangalore is veritably the new Gulf for Malayalis with much of the state’s IT population making a beeline there after graduation. For all the browbeating of Karnataka, it is Bangalore-Boston, not Kochi-Boston. Income inequality is less in Kerala; people are more or less equally miserable. Of course, some are more miserable than others. I think a broad-brush look at income figures are misleading. You must narrow it down to the income levels of the resident working population in Kerala, without including remittances and state handouts. What’s the size of the domestic production economy in Kerala? There ain’t much of it.

What do you mean industrial wasteland? If people are so scared of industries, why do they make the trip to the arid wastelands of Arabia to work without any rights or protection on construction sites, literally building Dubai and Doha, not to mention Dhahran, brick by brick, up from the sand? Your whole argument comes across as childish; is Singapore an industrial wasteland with all its industrial and commercial buildings? Is Hong Kong an industrial wasteland? In the time Kerala has deteriorated, Shenzhen has gone from a quiet fishing village overlooking Hong Kong with envy to become the world’s factory. I think a resident majority in Kerala of a generation ago thought that relying on government handouts and remittances, mooching off basically, would be a good enough livelihood for some and that the taps would never run dry, but people who were wiser voted with their feet to wherever they would be given work in, yes, industrial zones where they could earn a solid income.

I think you missed my whole rant earlier about India in general, and Kerala in particular missing out on the electronics assembly revolution, which almost single-handedly raised most of East Asia from zero economies after WW2 to first world countries in the span of 40 years. You don’t hear of too many environmental problems and industrial wastelands in Japan do you? Or in Taiwan? Or Singapore? Even China deals with environmental problems like a boss. Being democratic without being informed is never a guarantee for being sensible. I think the majority of Kerala voted their own economy, and with that their society, out of existence. It becomes clearer and clearer by the day.

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