Muhajir
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Hi Bipat, nice to have you back on the forum (didn't think you'd be able to resist ).
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# soldiers, yes - there were, at the very least, 10 Indians in the British Army for every one that joined Chandra Bose.
# taxes - who was being taxed? (and before you mention it, salt tax was, realistically, never collected - just another of MKG's clever PR jobs).
# grain - UK was certainly short of grain, and was importing a lot from America under the deplorable lend-lease scheme. India's food-grain problems at that time were to a significant extent due to loss of imports, mainly from Australia and Chandra Bose's stamping ground Burma.
# At the end of WWII Britain was out of all resources, exhausted, broke and in hock to Uncle Sam, and the population was almost verging on malnourished (not starving but very poorly fed). There was neither the energy nor inclination to bother about 'the Empire' in general or India in particular (anyway, as I said in my old post, Churchill had parleyed it away).
# If Chandra Bose had survived he would have been hanged (maybe was, by someone, someplace).
AndyD 8-)₹
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# soldiers, yes - there were, at the very least, 10 Indians in the British Army for every one that joined Chandra Bose.
# taxes - who was being taxed? (and before you mention it, salt tax was, realistically, never collected - just another of MKG's clever PR jobs).
# grain - UK was certainly short of grain, and was importing a lot from America under the deplorable lend-lease scheme. India's food-grain problems at that time were to a significant extent due to loss of imports, mainly from Australia and Chandra Bose's stamping ground Burma.
# At the end of WWII Britain was out of all resources, exhausted, broke and in hock to Uncle Sam, and the population was almost verging on malnourished (not starving but very poorly fed). There was neither the energy nor inclination to bother about 'the Empire' in general or India in particular (anyway, as I said in my old post, Churchill had parleyed it away).
# If Chandra Bose had survived he would have been hanged (maybe was, by someone, someplace).
AndyD 8-)₹
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Hi Bipat, nice to have you back on the forum (didn't think you'd be able to resist )....# soldiers, yes - there were, at the very least, 10 Indians in the British Army for every one that joined Chandra Bose.# taxes - who was being taxed? (and before you mention it, salt tax was, realistically, never collected - just another of MKG's clever PR jobs).# grain - UK was certainly short of grain, and was importing a lot from America under the deplorable lend-lease scheme. India's food-grain problems at that time were to a significant extent due to loss of imports, mainly from Australia and Chandra Bose's stamping ground Burma. # At the end of WWII Britain was out of all resources, exhausted, broke and in hock to Uncle Sam, and the population was almost verging on malnourished (not starving but very poorly fed). There was neither the energy nor inclination to bother about 'the Empire' in general or India in particular (anyway, as I said in my old post, Churchill had parleyed it away).# If Chandra Bose had survived he would have been hanged (maybe was, by someone, someplace). AndyD 8-)₹
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Few people seem to have heard of the Bengal Famine of 1943.
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The supporters of the two Bengal Governments involved, that of A. K. Fazlul Huq (December 1941 to March 1943) and of Khawaja Nazimuddin's Muslim League (April 1943 to March 1945) each held the other government responsible for the catastrophe, because of its inaction and corruption...Wikipedia
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You can believe what you want to believe. The British were rulers. It has been described by some as genocide by Churchill.
There is a recent article in the Independent "Not His Finest Hour"--I can't get a link.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943
There were many great famines during British rule, millions and millions died. Since independence obviously weather conditions have been the same with the usual droughts, and hunger etc. but no great famines.
You have to ask yourself Andy, why were the British there, charity?? or their own purposes.
Anyway now it is history, and governments are different.
There is a recent article in the Independent "Not His Finest Hour"--I can't get a link.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943
There were many great famines during British rule, millions and millions died. Since independence obviously weather conditions have been the same with the usual droughts, and hunger etc. but no great famines.
You have to ask yourself Andy, why were the British there, charity?? or their own purposes.
Anyway now it is history, and governments are different.
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I find it hard to credit the theories that Bose survived the crash or that there is some conspiracy here.On the end-phase of the war in the Raj -
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I find it hard to credit the theories that Bose survived the crash or that there is some conspiracy here.On the end-phase of the war in the Raj -Churchill's Secret War: Amazon.co.uk: Madhusree Mukerjee: 9780465024810: Books
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I find it hard to credit the theories that Bose survived the crash or that there is some conspiracy here.On the end-phase of the war in the Raj -Churchill's Secret War: Amazon.co.uk: Madhusree Mukerjee: 9780465024810: Books
I kind of think of it as a safe conspiracy theory. I can allow myself to be intrigued, without it really affecting me day to day.
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By "War in the Raj" I mean simply the period in and after WW2 as it affected India. A small part of the Raj was occupied and Bose set up a government on the Andaman islands
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India being such a vast country difficult to know how much it affected the ordinary people in general. There was food rationing and of course more soldiers recruited.
OH as a child in a coastal town remembers -the rationing---"went on for years",--more soldiers than usual about, a contingent stationed there and flat bottomed boats coming to land on their beach.
Seen a new book advertised--The Raj at War -- A People's History of India's Second World War by Yasmin Khan. Published 2015.
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However just rumours nothing more..
Very little in TimesOI about the published papers, but an entire page in Deccan Herald
(I didn't read it!! had enough of all the stuff on TIO
100 files relating to Netaji Subhash Bose declassified by PM