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Originally Posted by Expatrick
And pilots of many other nationalities, including, for example, many more Poles than Indians.
...and lets not forget the Free Indian Legion of Bose, under the leadership of the SS, who are often cited as inspirational for the Indian military mutineers of 1946, and in turn for the British not having faith that the Indian military would support the Raj, thus leading to Indian independence.
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...and lets not forget the Free Indian Legion of Bose, under the leadership of the SS, who are often cited as inspirational for the Indian military mutineers of 1946, and in turn for the British not having faith that the Indian military would support the Raj, thus leading to Indian independence.
Bose was a 'firebrand++', Nehru hated him! That is why the continuing rumours regarding his death.
Also the British Indians of the British Indian army were obviously against him
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Originally Posted by Expatrick
And pilots of many other nationalities, including, for example, many more Poles than Indians.
Yes---many other nationalities---However as this is Indian Independence day on an India part of the Forum, Indian troops were mentioned. What is your problem with that?


(Indian and Polish origin people the largest number of migrant origin people in the UK. Two of our close neighbours in the UK are Sikhs married to Polish ladies.)




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Today is also an important anniversary for another outpost of Empire - that of the arrival in Grand Harbour, Valletta of the battered & crippled tanker Ohio, whose cargo of oil enabled Malta GC to survive and keep fighting, with crucial consequences for the war in the Med. & north Africa - and the war as a whole.
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You want another date that we should remember. It is that which clearly marks the end of the Empire. The day when imperial forces surrendered in Singapore 15 February 1942.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Singapore

Some in England have not yet grasped that The Empire is over !

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Originally Posted by Bipat
Bose was a 'firebrand++', Nehru hated him! That is why the continuing rumours regarding his death.
Also the British Indians of the British Indian army were obviously against him
So many straw-men all in a row.
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So many straw-men all in a row.
What exactly does that mean? Were you there at the time?
What is your opinion of the plane crash? What documents knowledge
Russia hold?






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Originally Posted by scot47
You want another date that we should remember. It is that which clearly mark the end of the Empire. The day when imperial forces surrendered in Singapore 15 February 1942.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Singapore

Some in England have not yet grasped that The Empire is over !
Yes the Empire is over.
Good relationships nowadays with many of the Empire countries (as with India ) .The British Pandemic economy is now in the hands of an Indian origin politician.
Could not posters on this Forum for just one day say something positive?

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Yes the Empire is over.
Good relationships nowadays with many of the Empire countries (as with India ) .The British Pandemic economy is now in the hands of an Indian origin politician.
Could not posters on this Forum for just one day say something positive?
Actually I did say something positive, though I would have assumed the issue isn't whether to say something positive or negative just something meaningful and accurate. I said and I give him credit he seems to have a clear vision for India from the start and by most criteria economically he has delivered. While his elitist attitude in a country so poor to be spending money on space I do question the morality of.
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Actually I did say something positive, though I would have assumed the issue isn't whether to say something positive or negative just something meaningful and accurate. I said and I give him credit he seems to have a clear vision for India from the start and by most criteria economically he has delivered. While his elitist attitude in a country so poor to be spending money on space I do question the morality of.
My post pointed out today is Independence Day, and as above Poster above pointed out also VJ day----UK TV this evening a 'moving' programme and also so many Indian people giving their experiences.
Regardless of views of Nehru, his independence speech is recognised as one of the all time great speeches..


Brexit etc. did not seem appropriate in reply.

Yet again you go on about the space programme.---It has been explained to you many times that this was the major concern of the previous Congress Governments (I would also question its beginning at that time).
To stop it NOW-- would waste previous research--end scientific/space cooperation with other countries (UK)--- cause unemployment, prevent young people from joining space research in their own country.







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What exactly does that mean? Were you there at the time?
What is your opinion of the plane crash? What documents knowledge
Russia hold?
New straw-men
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Originally Posted by kimilseung
New straw-men
Could you explain what you mean!

There has always been controversy about his 'methods' of getting independence by asking Nazi German help, about his death, about relationship with Nehru.
(Recent documents released by Modi at request of his daughter did not help much.)
The numbers in the INA etc. were not that great. -----( The mother of a close friend of mine was involved with them in Singapore-----she visited UK in her 80s usual sort of wealthy 'activist' ----cigarette in long holder dangling from her mouth----I loved her!).



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Yet again you go on about the space programme.---It has been explained to you many times that this was the major concern of the previous Congress Governments (I would also question its beginning at that time).
To stop it NOW-- would waste previous research--end scientific/space cooperation with other countries (UK)--- cause unemployment, prevent young people from joining space research in their own country.
Might do better to make those investments in the aviation sector, and improve safety.
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Originally Posted by Expatrick
Might do better to make those investments in the aviation sector, and improve safety.
I think Kerala crash was due to weather conditions. (We never fly during monsoon!) Different airports different in infrastructure.

(Some airports are in difficult areas----fierce argument with OH about flying to Srinagar ----take-off' on return in my view seems straight into a mountain! His view of my bus trip to there with the children years ago not printable. Now train is possible.)
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Originally Posted by Bipat
I think Kerala crash was due to weather conditions. (We never fly during monsoon!) Different airports different in infrastructure.
No, aircraft mishandled in (known) adverse weather conditions.
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