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Bipat Aug 15th 2017 7:08 am

Independence Day
 
70 years of Independence.

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scot47 Aug 15th 2017 7:43 am

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And 70 years since the horrors of partition. Very interesting programme running on BBC Radio 4, focussing on the memories of partition among those now living in Britain. See the thread here.

moneypenny20 Aug 15th 2017 7:51 am

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Originally Posted by scot47 (Post 12316929)
And 70 years since the horrors of partition. Very interesting programme running on BBC Radio 4, focussing on the memories of partition among those now living in Britain. See the thread here.

Did you forget something? :lol:

Expatrick Aug 15th 2017 9:10 am

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Interesting article by Justin Rowlatt -

http:// http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-40887900

Bipat Aug 15th 2017 9:35 am

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Originally Posted by Expatrick (Post 12316973)
Interesting article by Justin Rowlatt -

http:// http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-40887900

Yes, I read that article a few days ago, thought it very interesting, didn't agree with all of it but fascinating particularly when written by a descendant of Sidney Rowlatt.

(He is being influenced by Shashi Tharoor and his own agenda (discussions on TIO) who is trying to oust the Congress leader, which will never happen while Sonia is still alive.)

Tried another link but still doesn't work!

EMR Aug 15th 2017 11:07 am

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12316987)
Yes, I read that article a few days ago, thought it very interesting, didn't agree with all of it but fascinating particularly when written by a descendant of Sidney Rowlatt.

(He is being influenced by Shashi Tharoor and his own agenda (discussions on TIO) who is trying to oust the Congress leader, which will never happen while Sonia is still alive.)

Tried another link but still doesn't work!

There you go again, anything that does not fit your views of events must be left wing.
I have been watching and listening to the various programs, the eye witness reports of terrible atrocities by all sides on each other.
As someIndians have said the horrors of partition has been swept under the carpet with those who suffered reluctant to talk about What happened to them and what they saw.
What is worth noting is Modis condemnation of attacks by radical Hindus on Indian Muslims.

Garbatellamike Aug 15th 2017 11:16 am

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12316912)
70 years of Independence.

congratulations

Bipat Aug 15th 2017 12:49 pm

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Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12317022)
There you go again, anything that does not fit your views of events must be left wing.
I have been watching and listening to the various programs, the eye witness reports of terrible atrocities by all sides on each other.
As someIndians have said the horrors of partition has been swept under the carpet with those who suffered reluctant to talk about What happened to them and what they saw.
What is worth noting is Modis condemnation of attacks by radical Hindus on Indian Muslims.

I think you argue for the sake of it!! I agree with what you say, about Partition. I agreed with what Justin Rowlatt, said about this.
I have known people who were there, I have been to the Wagah border ceremony and seen those brought on stretchers to look over the border before they die.

My point above was about the part of the report which did not concern Partition and was about political points now. Do you know anything about the present Congress Government and their problems?--far worse state than the British Labour party.

Expatrick Aug 15th 2017 1:42 pm

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Tried another link but still doesn't work!
That's odd, worked OK for me...

Just realised, double http!

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-40887900

EMR Aug 15th 2017 2:35 pm

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12317084)
I think you argue for the sake of it!! I agree with what you say, about Partition. I agreed with what Justin Rowlatt, said about this.
I have known people who were there, I have been to the Wagah border ceremony and seen those brought on stretchers to look over the border before they die.

My point above was about the part of the report which did not concern Partition and was about political points now. Do you know anything about the present Congress Government and their problems?--far worse state than the British Labour party.

What has the state of the congress party got to do with the very high level of coverage the horrors inflicted on India and Pakistan during partition is getting on UK tv and and media.
What has it got to do with the rise in attacks on Muslims in India and the rising tension among the majority Muslim population in Kashmir.

Bipat Aug 15th 2017 3:06 pm

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Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12317151)
What has the state of the congress party got to do with the very high level of coverage the horrors inflicted on India and Pakistan during partition is getting on UK tv and and media.
What has it got to do with the rise in attacks on Muslims in India and the rising tension among the majority Muslim population in Kashmir.

We were discussing the link posted by Expatrick. The link if you could read it concerned other issues besides Partition.


You mentioned Kashmir what is your opinion of the Pandits who fled the area, their houses burned even in last few years? The CM trying to encourage them back.
What is your opinion of Mehbooba Mufti CM of Jammu and kashmir State?
What is your opinion of arms found on terrorist sites there being funded by Middle East countries?
What is your opinion of the young Kashmiri men queueing up to join the India army recently in spite of threats from the minority separatists?

What is your opinion of the economy in Kashmir?

EMR the tension on the borders of Kashmir is no different to what it has been for years. Can I ask when you were last there?

What do you know about Muslims in India--how many do you know?

EMR Aug 15th 2017 5:28 pm

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Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12317173)
We were discussing the link posted by Expatrick. The link if you could read it concerned other issues besides Partition.


You mentioned Kashmir what is your opinion of the Pandits who fled the area, their houses burned even in last few years? The CM trying to encourage them back.
What is your opinion of Mehbooba Mufti CM of Jammu and kashmir State?
What is your opinion of arms found on terrorist sites there being funded by Middle East countries?
What is your opinion of the young Kashmiri men queueing up to join the India army recently in spite of threats from the minority separatists?

What is your opinion of the economy in Kashmir?

EMR the tension on the borders of Kashmir is no different to what it has been for years. Can I ask when you were last there?

What do you know about Muslims in India--how many do you know?


There you go again.
The majority population in Kashmir is Muslim.
It is disputed territory .
An accident of history a remnant of the horrors of partition.
BBC news has just carried a report about the rise of hindu nationalism , about increasing attacks on Muslims.
Road blocks looking for trucks carrying cattle.

It would be a real pity if the progress India has made is affected by religious intolerance.
Intolerance that cost the subcontinent over a million dead when it should have been celebrating its independence,

scot47 Aug 15th 2017 8:41 pm

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BBC Radio 4 - Partition Voices, Series 1, Legacy

Not sure is this is available to international audiences.

Bipat Aug 15th 2017 8:53 pm

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Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12317266)
There you go again.
The majority population in Kashmir is Muslim.
It is disputed territory .
An accident of history a remnant of the horrors of partition.
BBC news has just carried a report about the rise of hindu nationalism , about increasing attacks on Muslims.
Road blocks looking for trucks carrying cattle.

It would be a real pity if the progress India has made is affected by religious intolerance.
Intolerance that cost the subcontinent over a million dead when it should have been celebrating its independence,

EMR as I have said many times to you--stick to what you actually know about.

Kashmir is majority Muslim (not the only State with high percentage of Muslims), it is a larger majority now because of the Pandits literally burned out of their homes. What do you think about that?

Recent elections only about 30% were separatists, of those about 10% wanting to join Pakistan, 10% independence, 10% more autonomy.

The present CM was voted in by a majority ---you did not answer the above question what is your opinion of the CM???
The PM has reassured that the 'special status' of the State will continue. What is your opinion on that?

Why is there good relationship with Bangladesh? Recent some exchange of land, millions of Bangladeshi Muslims have returned to India.

Yes there is religious intolerance as in UK and USA, it is illegal.

The recent troubles are mainly in one State-- UP State, a bizarre CM has been voted in, Yogi Adityanath, he is a lunatic but was voted in ---just like Donald Trump--it happens! He is the one going on about cows etc.

EMR the majority if the 29 States the different religions get on together day to day.

Partition was a great, great tragedy caused by a number of factors, which is being discussed because of the 70 years anniversary. Just like the tragedy of WW1 and 2 when Europeans killed each other.

(Jinnah was a good man how history might have differed if he had not been a dying man (TB) and had ruled Pakistan for longer.
In 1956 Pakistan becoming an Islamic Republic changed history for many parts of the world).


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