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BuckarooBanzai Apr 12th 2010 2:26 pm

too much money for 176/absolutely impossible
 
Hi people,

I am a registered nurse wanting to apply for pr in Australia.
With the new changes I am not able anymore to apply for the 175 since I cannot make the passmark of 120 points.
Now, I have read a lot of times that there is still the option to apply for a 176 visa because the passmark there is only 100, which I would get.
But one of the requirements of the 176 is to get either family or state sponsorship. As I do not have any family down under I need to go for state sponsorship. Which leads me to the requirement (if I did understand it right) of the necessary financial funds to get sponsored by any state at all. The BASIC financial requirement for one applicant is 25.000 A$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What the ****ing hell! Where should one get that heap of bucks from. I mean I am a (underpaid) nurse and not a bank manager or soccer player. The pay is one of the reasons to go to Australia.
And with demanding that amount of money no matter which occupation and its wage would in my eyes a bit contrary, wouldn`t it?

My actual question is, does everyone has to have that amount of money to get state sponsorship, or is it only for special applicants?
Well, if the first one is the case then that leaves a lot of urgently needed nurses (and of course other occupations) behind, don`t you think?

Please tell me that I just confused something otherwise that would have been it for the likes of me.

cheers and thanks in advance

Bermudashorts Apr 12th 2010 2:37 pm

Re: too much money for 176/absolutely impossible
 
It is only some of the states that have a proof of funds requirement, I am not sure which, you may have to trawl through the various websites to find out. Or of course I am sure other people on BE that have been down the SS route will come along shortly and say which do and which do not.

I think your outrage is a bit OTT though. Emmigrating is an expensive business and it is highly advisable for most to have some funds available. Being a nurse, you will probably be quite lucky and find work quickly, however it is not so easy for many other people and thus having funds to survive on in those early months is essential. There are a lot of initial expenses too, rental bond, car etc. I am damn sure I would not be contemplating going over if $25k was all I had behind me.

stuartsummers1980 Apr 12th 2010 2:40 pm

Re: too much money for 176/absolutely impossible
 
Specific to Victoria I covered their website and frequently asked questions fairly thorougly and nowhere did I see an actual numerical amount. I can't speak for the other States though. I hope its not $25k Aus though, as my girlfriend lodged her 176 with Victoria on April 6th and very honestly put down $23,400 Aus, although that literally is now, and she could quite easily have put down the figure she'll have in 6 months time when you would think the visa would be given (if at all), which will definitely be in excess of $25k Aus.

If anyone has successfully lodged a 176 stating amounts less than $25k Aus I'd be interested to hear? As I'm a bit worried now....:ohmy:

shafaqat309 Apr 12th 2010 3:31 pm

Re: too much money for 176/absolutely impossible
 

Originally Posted by BuckarooBanzai (Post 8490086)
Hi people,

I am a registered nurse wanting to apply for pr in Australia.
With the new changes I am not able anymore to apply for the 175 since I cannot make the passmark of 120 points.
Now, I have read a lot of times that there is still the option to apply for a 176 visa because the passmark there is only 100, which I would get.
But one of the requirements of the 176 is to get either family or state sponsorship. As I do not have any family down under I need to go for state sponsorship. Which leads me to the requirement (if I did understand it right) of the necessary financial funds to get sponsored by any state at all. The BASIC financial requirement for one applicant is 25.000 A$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What the ****ing hell! Where should one get that heap of bucks from. I mean I am a (underpaid) nurse and not a bank manager or soccer player. The pay is one of the reasons to go to Australia.
And with demanding that amount of money no matter which occupation and its wage would in my eyes a bit contrary, wouldn`t it?

My actual question is, does everyone has to have that amount of money to get state sponsorship, or is it only for special applicants?
Well, if the first one is the case then that leaves a lot of urgently needed nurses (and of course other occupations) behind, don`t you think?

Please tell me that I just confused something otherwise that would have been it for the likes of me.

cheers and thanks in advance

I can speak for Queensland and ACT, they will not offer you sponsorship if you don't show said amount in your bank, no notary statement or assets declarations will work, my friend has applied for Victoria and he doesn't has this much amount, he is still in process waiting for the result, there is a thread for "Victoria Sponsorship" for Vic state related matters.

I tried to send assets declarations but they refused and asked for actual Bank Statement.

cash money Apr 12th 2010 3:42 pm

Re: too much money for 176/absolutely impossible
 

Originally Posted by stuartsummers1980 (Post 8490121)
Specific to Victoria I covered their website and frequently asked questions fairly thorougly and nowhere did I see an actual numerical amount. I can't speak for the other States though. I hope its not $25k Aus though, as my girlfriend lodged her 176 with Victoria on April 6th and very honestly put down $23,400 Aus, although that literally is now, and she could quite easily have put down the figure she'll have in 6 months time when you would think the visa would be given (if at all), which will definitely be in excess of $25k Aus.

If anyone has successfully lodged a 176 stating amounts less than $25k Aus I'd be interested to hear? As I'm a bit worried now....:ohmy:

The amount for Victorian sponsorship is not stated but it will be good for a migrant to at least have the base amount of 25k to cover for settling in expenses and not to become a destitute.It's just my opinion.....

stuartsummers1980 Apr 12th 2010 4:11 pm

Re: too much money for 176/absolutely impossible
 
Hmmm, I hardly think someone with in and around albeit less than $25k Aus is likely to be "destitute". I guess individual circumstances apply, ie a family may need in excess of that to settle, but not a couple aged 30. In fact a couple coming over with no dependants would do just fine with $16,500 minimum I would say.

In response to another post on this thread, I've been on that Victoria 176 thread, but its difficult to find the info you want as about a million people have posted, and even some non-Victoria postings have been made just to muddy the water even more! (and before any smart arses tell me to put in a keyword like "funds" I already did without lucrative result).

So if there are any successful Victoria 176 visa people out there who can tell us how much they had and put down on their original application that would be great. No speculators please. I've noticed a lot of things posted on British Expats as replies are bordering on guesswork!

Bermudashorts Apr 12th 2010 4:15 pm

Re: too much money for 176/absolutely impossible
 

Originally Posted by stuartsummers1980 (Post 8490313)
Hmmm, I hardly think someone with in and around albeit less than $25k Aus is likely to be "destitute". I guess individual circumstances apply, ie a family may need in excess of that to settle, but not a couple aged 30. In fact a couple coming over with no dependants would do just fine with $16,500 minimum I would say.

I think $25k could disappear in no time if it took a few months to get a job. But yes, certainly a young couple who are perhaps not fussy about where they live initially would get by a lot more easily than a family.

Pollyana Apr 12th 2010 4:31 pm

Re: too much money for 176/absolutely impossible
 

Originally Posted by stuartsummers1980 (Post 8490313)
Hmmm, I hardly think someone with in and around albeit less than $25k Aus is likely to be "destitute". I guess individual circumstances apply, ie a family may need in excess of that to settle, but not a couple aged 30. In fact a couple coming over with no dependants would do just fine with $16,500 minimum I would say.

In response to another post on this thread, I've been on that Victoria 176 thread, but its difficult to find the info you want as about a million people have posted, and even some non-Victoria postings have been made just to muddy the water even more! (and before any smart arses tell me to put in a keyword like "funds" I already did without lucrative result).

So if there are any successful Victoria 176 visa people out there who can tell us how much they had and put down on their original application that would be great. No speculators please. I've noticed a lot of things posted on British Expats as replies are bordering on guesswork!

If you only want facts, not opinions or guesswork, then internet forums are not the best place to do research as that is what they are based on :)

Pollyana Apr 12th 2010 4:34 pm

Re: too much money for 176/absolutely impossible
 

Originally Posted by BuckarooBanzai (Post 8490086)
Hi people,

I am a registered nurse wanting to apply for pr in Australia.
With the new changes I am not able anymore to apply for the 175 since I cannot make the passmark of 120 points.
Now, I have read a lot of times that there is still the option to apply for a 176 visa because the passmark there is only 100, which I would get.
But one of the requirements of the 176 is to get either family or state sponsorship. As I do not have any family down under I need to go for state sponsorship. Which leads me to the requirement (if I did understand it right) of the necessary financial funds to get sponsored by any state at all. The BASIC financial requirement for one applicant is 25.000 A$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What the ****ing hell! Where should one get that heap of bucks from. I mean I am a (underpaid) nurse and not a bank manager or soccer player. The pay is one of the reasons to go to Australia.
And with demanding that amount of money no matter which occupation and its wage would in my eyes a bit contrary, wouldn`t it?

My actual question is, does everyone has to have that amount of money to get state sponsorship, or is it only for special applicants?
Well, if the first one is the case then that leaves a lot of urgently needed nurses (and of course other occupations) behind, don`t you think?

Please tell me that I just confused something otherwise that would have been it for the likes of me.

cheers and thanks in advance

A lot of nurses (probably the majority) come to Aus via the 457 route, sponsored by hospitals not by the State, and then convert to PR onshore via the ENS, again sponsored by the hospital. Have you looked at his at all? No proof of funds required.

stuartsummers1980 Apr 12th 2010 4:59 pm

Re: too much money for 176/absolutely impossible
 
Thanks Polyanna, but I think whether a posting response is factual or just opinion would be based on the posting itself and you can’t label forums specifically as one thing or another. If someone puts up a question asking for specific detail/experiences relating to visas and immigration then the only useful replies will be the ones dealing in fact and the “been there done that” side of things. If someone put up a posting like “what state should I live in?” then yes of course that’s just an off the cuff place for opinions and not necessarily hard facts.

If anything the Immigration, Visas and Citizenship section is the one part of the British Expats website that needs to deal as close to if not entirely in fact. Opinions and guesswork are best saved for other parts of the website that don’t deal in such serious issues.

Pollyana Apr 12th 2010 8:30 pm

Re: too much money for 176/absolutely impossible
 

Originally Posted by stuartsummers1980 (Post 8490460)
Thanks Polyanna, but I think whether a posting response is factual or just opinion would be based on the posting itself and you can’t label forums specifically as one thing or another. If someone puts up a question asking for specific detail/experiences relating to visas and immigration then the only useful replies will be the ones dealing in fact and the “been there done that” side of things. If someone put up a posting like “what state should I live in?” then yes of course that’s just an off the cuff place for opinions and not necessarily hard facts.

If anything the Immigration, Visas and Citizenship section is the one part of the British Expats website that needs to deal as close to if not entirely in fact. Opinions and guesswork are best saved for other parts of the website that don’t deal in such serious issues.

WE do try and keep "chat" out of the immigration forum, but to keep opinions out and restrict it purely to facts would be impossible - and would turn it into a wiki rather than a forum :)

JAJ Apr 13th 2010 1:14 am

Re: too much money for 176/absolutely impossible
 

Originally Posted by Pollyana (Post 8490371)
A lot of nurses (probably the majority) come to Aus via the 457 route, sponsored by hospitals not by the State, and then convert to PR onshore via the ENS, again sponsored by the hospital. Have you looked at his at all? No proof of funds required.

And quite a few go straight to ENS, and arrive as migrants, no 457 hassles/uncertainty involved.

ronnie98 Apr 13th 2010 5:32 am

Re: too much money for 176/absolutely impossible
 
I have 176 and a few freinds I know, no one had to prove funds we didnt have much until the house sold, :thumbup:

Pollyana Apr 13th 2010 8:16 am

Re: too much money for 176/absolutely impossible
 

Originally Posted by JAJ (Post 8491394)
And quite a few go straight to ENS, and arrive as migrants, no 457 hassles/uncertainty involved.

Yep, if somewhere will sponsor for PR at once, even better :)

stuartsummers1980 Apr 13th 2010 9:36 am

Re: too much money for 176/absolutely impossible
 

Originally Posted by ronnie98 (Post 8491798)
I have 176 and a few freinds I know, no one had to prove funds we didnt have much until the house sold, :thumbup:

I do get the impression that proof of funds isn't asked for, but unless the Victoria State Sponsorship application has changed recently, they 100% ask you how much you're bringing with you when you're filling it in. I don't know if this is something new?

In any case since the application was lodged where we submitted a figure of $23,400 we've now increased what we have to $25,050 and I think I'm going to get my girlfriend to email Victoria this email. Whether this $25k Aus is hearsay or not, I don't think I'm going to take the risk.

Also I'm wondering if the application has changed actually, as to date no succesful Victoria 176's have come back and commented on what figure they put down when completing their application, so I'm wondering if it never used to be that specific until recently? Perhaps it only used to ask "if you had sufficient funds".

Bermudashorts Apr 13th 2010 10:12 am

Re: too much money for 176/absolutely impossible
 

Originally Posted by ronnie98 (Post 8491798)
I have 176 and a few freinds I know, no one had to prove funds we didnt have much until the house sold, :thumbup:

Yes we know some states ask for proof of funds and others don't. You haven't mentioned which state you applied to?

surhythms Apr 13th 2010 11:07 am

Re: too much money for 176/absolutely impossible
 

Originally Posted by Bermudashorts (Post 8490326)
I think $25k could disappear in no time if it took a few months to get a job. But yes, certainly a young couple who are perhaps not fussy about where they live initially would get by a lot more easily than a family.

We just applied for Ss for the ACT and we had to show the equivalent of AUD 40,000 in our bank account (there is 3 of us moving). We also did a budgeting statement for the ACT and based on us not getting jobs within the first 6 months etc etc that money will just dissapear!

I can understand why the states want you to have money to bring with you. Afterall when you are on a 176 I dont think you can claim state benefits anyway can you? Not that this is our intention because it is not.

To be honest if the Irish Government werent as loose allowing people into the country with absolutely no money we would not be in as much of a mess as we are in as a country. There are people who come to Ireland from other countries and I have to say they work really really hard and dont claim from the state. Others do! and I guess it is the same everywhere.

I know SA only require you to have a certain amount of cash funds and I think WA are the same.

Do you not think that part of the SMP's it WILL require people to show that they have "X" amount of money to get to CAT 2?

I know it may sound impossible to ask for this amount of money but yes migrating is REALLY expensive and I cant blame the states looking for proof of funds. Actually I think it is a very good idea.

Suzanne

BuckarooBanzai May 14th 2010 4:39 pm

Re: too much money for 176/absolutely impossible
 

Originally Posted by Bermudashorts (Post 8492209)
Yes we know some states ask for proof of funds and others don't. You haven't mentioned which state you applied to?

Which states would that be? As far as I know (now) ALL states ask for proof of funds without any exception.
Where do you know about what you have stated? I am absolutely interested to know.:huh::huh:

Bermudashorts May 14th 2010 4:50 pm

Re: too much money for 176/absolutely impossible
 

Originally Posted by BuckarooBanzai (Post 8565124)
Which states would that be? As far as I know (now) ALL states ask for proof of funds without any exception.
Where do you know about what you have stated? I am absolutely interested to know.:huh::huh:

I am not an encyclopedia of the different state requirements and have no intention of looking them up to pass your little challenge.

I have seen plenty of people say they have not been asked to provide proof of funds and thus was advising the OP to clarify which state he was applying to so that he could get better advise from people that had applied to that state.

BuckarooBanzai May 14th 2010 4:52 pm

Re: too much money for 176/absolutely impossible
 

Originally Posted by surhythms (Post 8492334)

I know it may sound impossible to ask for this amount of money but yes migrating is REALLY expensive and I cant blame the states looking for proof of funds. Actually I think it is a very good idea.

Suzanne


That is your opinion. But believe me with 25k I would not even need to work in Australia for a whole year - and would have a good life. I can tell from my own experience. I have been in Australia for a whole year and with much less money to start - I had about 3000 A$ and only a workand holiday visa which restricted me to work for only 3 months for one employer - so my chances were a lot smaller than they would be if I would be a permanent resident.
In my eyes it is just unfair to demand that amount of money. It just is not necessary - at least not for people like me, who are young, healthy, completely independent and therefore flexible and not to forget with an occupation which is in desperate need.

cheers:frown:

BuckarooBanzai May 14th 2010 4:55 pm

Re: too much money for 176/absolutely impossible
 

Originally Posted by Bermudashorts (Post 8565153)
I am not an encyclopedia of the different state requirements and have no intention of looking them up to pass your little challenge.

I have seen plenty of people say they have not been asked to provide proof of funds and thus was advising the OP to clarify which state he was applying to so that he could get better advise from people that had applied to that state.

So than it would be better that you think about the meaning of the words "know" and "guess",wouldn`t it?:blink:

Bermudashorts May 14th 2010 5:01 pm

Re: too much money for 176/absolutely impossible
 

Originally Posted by BuckarooBanzai (Post 8565158)
That is your opinion. But believe me with 25k I would not even need to work in Australia for a whole year - and would have a good life.

If you could live on $25k a year and have a good life, then your opinion of what constitutes a good life is without a doubt dramatically different to anything most normal people would want.

I cannot see how $25k would last for much more than the first couple of months, especially with the initial outgoings like rental bond and buying a car.

Pollyana May 14th 2010 6:29 pm

Re: too much money for 176/absolutely impossible
 

Originally Posted by BuckarooBanzai (Post 8565158)
That is your opinion. But believe me with 25k I would not even need to work in Australia for a whole year - and would have a good life. I can tell from my own experience. I have been in Australia for a whole year and with much less money to start - I had about 3000 A$ and only a workand holiday visa which restricted me to work for only 3 months for one employer - so my chances were a lot smaller than they would be if I would be a permanent resident.
In my eyes it is just unfair to demand that amount of money. It just is not necessary - at least not for people like me, who are young, healthy, completely independent and therefore flexible and not to forget with an occupation which is in desperate need.

cheers:frown:

They won't tailor their requirements to each individual though, they have to allow for the fact that many people moving will have a family - kids to provide for, education to contribute to, etc.

tiredwithtwins May 14th 2010 8:56 pm

Re: too much money for 176/absolutely impossible
 
the changes to requirements usually appear to be done to reflect ongoing problems with past applicants ie too many are going to aus without enough money to support themselves regardless of if its just them, or a couple with 8 kids ... the changes are done to protect the australian economy and the wannabee-migrant - i for one wont go unless ive got enough financial support for the first year (as a fellow nurse i can sympathise) and its madness to think that in todays economic climate that you can just walk into a job! even as a nurse.
get real and get over it - its a regulation you have to comply with, and far from being unfair, in your case its just hard luck.

stop complaining and get saving like the rest of us :sneaky:

erco May 15th 2010 2:33 am

Re: too much money for 176/absolutely impossible
 
In WA, when we applied for SS last year there was no minimum requirement. Just like other states they ask what assets/money you have. Then when we were accepted the SS stated the amount of money we entered on the form. Though no proof was ever asked for in any way and we moved out here earlier this year.

Bermudashorts May 15th 2010 8:27 am

Re: too much money for 176/absolutely impossible
 

Originally Posted by BuckarooBanzai (Post 8565165)
So than it would be better that you think about the meaning of the words "know" and "guess",wouldn`t it?:blink:

What is with your hostility? :huh:

I know that some people have not been asked to provide funds, I have not guessed. Anyway so what if you would prefer I used a different word, get over it, leave me alone and find something a bit more constructive to do with your time like carrying out some research rather than pick fights over nothing with strangers on the internet.

steve_kelly_and_boys May 15th 2010 12:11 pm

Re: too much money for 176/absolutely impossible
 
we received s/s for victoria in june last year

when we applied for it on the form it asked how much money / collateral we had

we were never asked to prove it though


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