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Old Jul 13th 2002, 3:20 am
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Dean
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We are currently considering whether to take our 2 cats to Brisbane with us early
next year. (they are 11years old and very healthy).

This may sound like a stupid question but here goes. Are they likely to come to harm
with the local wildlife. Growing up in England they aren't used to creatures that
could kill them. Ours, like all cats, will go for birds or frogs etc given the chance
but these creatures can't kill them with one bite. What if the cats tangle with a
spider or a snake? I've read that cats do very well in Aus and are considered vermin
in some places (not sure how true this is) but I do have concerns.

Any advice would be very welcome.

Dean
 
Old Jul 13th 2002, 5:20 am
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Hi Dean,

I too am taking my cats back to OZ with me. I have had cats in Australia for 18 years
and they soon learn what to tangle with and what not too. I wouldn't be too concerned
as they are more likely to be scared by the wildlife and know that the colours
displayed by certain creatures will mean danger.

I do understand your concerns, but would advise you not to worry, but to keep an eye
on your cats to ensure they stay healthy, just as i did with mine at home and the
ones i will be bringing with me.

I hope my advice has been of some help in releiving your worries, good luck.

By the way how are you sending your cats and with who? As i am still in the processes
of working it all out.

Cheers Kate
 
Old Jul 13th 2002, 8:20 am
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Dean
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Hi Kate

Thank you for that info. I'm glad to hear they get along ok. I kind of had visions of
walking in the garden and seeing Ziggy wrapped in a big snake with his eyes popping
out (he's cute as hell but not the brightest bulb on the tree if you know what I
mean) but maybe I watch the Discovery channel too much.

As for how we are going to get them there, we haven't resolved that one yet. Part of
me doesn't want to put them through the journey but the selfish part of me wants them
with me when we are there as I can barely remember life without them and also I'll
feel like I'm deserting them if I go.

If I get any good info on someone who can take them I'll post it here.

Dean

"KtyLawson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Hi Dean,
    >
    > I too am taking my cats back to OZ with me. I have had cats in Australia
for 18
    > years and they soon learn what to tangle with and what not too. I wouldn't
be
    > too concerned as they are more likely to be scared by the wildlife and
know
    > that the colours displayed by certain creatures will mean danger.
    >
    > I do understand your concerns, but would advise you not to worry, but to
keep
    > an eye on your cats to ensure they stay healthy, just as i did with mine
at
    > home and the ones i will be bringing with me.
    >
    > I hope my advice has been of some help in releiving your worries, good
luck.
    >
    > By the way how are you sending your cats and with who? As i am still in
the
    > processes of working it all out.
    >
    > Cheers Kate
 
Old Jul 13th 2002, 12:20 pm
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Michael Hoffman
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"Dean" <[email protected]> wrote in
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    > We are currently considering whether to take our 2 cats to Brisbane with us early
    > next year. (they are 11years old and very healthy).
    >
    > This may sound like a stupid question but here goes. Are they likely to come to
    > harm with the local wildlife. Growing up in England they aren't used to creatures
    > that could kill them. Ours, like all cats, will go for birds or frogs etc given the
    > chance but these creatures can't kill them with one bite. What if the cats tangle
    > with a spider or a snake? I've read that cats do very well in Aus and are
    > considered vermin in some places (not sure how true this is) but I do have
    > concerns.

Leave them inside? I know, this could end up in the usual "indoor vs outdoor cat"
religious war. Obviously I'm in the indoor camp.

IIRC, cats are the no. 1 killer of Australian wildlife. Wasn't there even an
eradication program some time ago? Whatever became of that?

Mike (who also plans to bring his kitties along, but they stay inside)
 
Old Jul 13th 2002, 12:20 pm
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Graham Wood
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My 2 cats have leaned not to annoy the local butcher birds. First day out the cats
were mobbed and retreated indoors. But they love it here. In the mornings they sit
on the back verandah and lay in the sun. In the afternoon they move to the front
then do the same.

The main difference in them now is there fur. very thin compared to when in the UK
They arrived in Sydney for there 30 days in prison last xmas, right in to the very
hot weather. So it was a little bit of a shock to them. The eastern creek center is
very nice, and the girls do look after the cats well. I did visit them once, 14 hour
drive each way. One cat spat at me and the other ignored me. So nothing new there.

After their 30 days i had then shipped up to Brisbane and then on to the Sunshine
coast. Took them a week to relax and get used to the unit we are in. After that they
asked to go out.

Now have two very lazy, thin furred cats that sleep in the sun all day. What a life .
Dean wrote:

    > We are currently considering whether to take our 2 cats to Brisbane with us early
    > next year. (they are 11years old and very healthy).
    >
    > This may sound like a stupid question but here goes. Are they likely to come to
    > harm with the local wildlife. Growing up in England they aren't used to creatures
    > that could kill them. Ours, like all cats, will go for birds or frogs etc given the
    > chance but these creatures can't kill them with one bite. What if the cats tangle
    > with a spider or a snake? I've read that cats do very well in Aus and are
    > considered vermin in some places (not sure how true this is) but I do have
    > concerns.
    >
    > Any advice would be very welcome.
    >
    > Dean
 
Old Jul 13th 2002, 1:20 pm
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Bh
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    > Leave them inside? I know, this could end up in the usual "indoor vs outdoor cat"
    > religious war. Obviously I'm in the indoor camp.
    >
    > IIRC, cats are the no. 1 killer of Australian wildlife. Wasn't there even an
    > eradication program some time ago? Whatever became of that?
    >
    > Mike (who also plans to bring his kitties along, but they stay inside)

CARS are no. 1 killer of Australian wildlife.
 
Old Jul 13th 2002, 3:20 pm
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Russell Driver
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"BH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >
    > >
    > > Leave them inside? I know, this could end up in the usual "indoor vs outdoor cat"
    > > religious war. Obviously I'm in the indoor camp.
    > >
    > > IIRC, cats are the no. 1 killer of Australian wildlife. Wasn't there
even
    > > an eradication program some time ago? Whatever became of that?
    > >
    > > Mike (who also plans to bring his kitties along, but they stay inside)
    >
    > CARS are no. 1 killer of Australian wildlife.
    >
    >
    >
    >

HUMAN BEINGS are the No1 killer.

Russell

--
Luck is when the paths of opportunity and preparation cross.
 
Old Jul 13th 2002, 3:20 pm
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George Lombard
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Hi Dean,

Your question can't be answered by anyone not living in Brisbane or further north and
therefore aware of the cane toad issue.

Cane toads are an introduced species here and quite passive because nothing attacks
them and lives, due to the poison they carry in their skins. They are safe for
children to hold, but an animal that tries a cane toad lunch dies. There was a very
funny documentary about them some years ago, showing a cat owner mourning the cat's
loss to this poisoning. Unfortunately I live south of the cane toad line in Sydney
and cannot assist...

Cheers

George Lombard

www.austimmigration.com.au Dean wrote in message ...
    >Hi Kate
    >
    >Thank you for that info. I'm glad to hear they get along ok. I kind of had visions
    >of walking in the garden and seeing Ziggy wrapped in a big snake with his eyes
    >popping out (he's cute as hell but not the brightest bulb on the tree if you know
    >what I mean) but maybe I watch the Discovery channel too much.
    >
    >As for how we are going to get them there, we haven't resolved that one
yet.
    >Part of me doesn't want to put them through the journey but the selfish
part
    >of me wants them with me when we are there as I can barely remember life without
    >them and also I'll feel like I'm deserting them if I go.
    >
    >If I get any good info on someone who can take them I'll post it here.
    >
    >Dean
    >
    >"KtyLawson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> Hi Dean,
    >>
    >> I too am taking my cats back to OZ with me. I have had cats in Australia
    >for 18
    >> years and they soon learn what to tangle with and what not too. I
wouldn't
    >be
    >> too concerned as they are more likely to be scared by the wildlife and
    >know
    >> that the colours displayed by certain creatures will mean danger.
    >>
    >> I do understand your concerns, but would advise you not to worry, but to
    >keep
    >> an eye on your cats to ensure they stay healthy, just as i did with mine
    >at
    >> home and the ones i will be bringing with me.
    >>
    >> I hope my advice has been of some help in releiving your worries, good
    >luck.
    >>
    >> By the way how are you sending your cats and with who? As i am still in
    >the
    >> processes of working it all out.
    >>
    >> Cheers Kate
 
Old Jul 13th 2002, 10:20 pm
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Dean
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Funny how? Is somebody mourning a loss seen as comedy in Australia or am I missing
something?

Would it be funny if it was their dog or, god forbid, their child or is that not
funny? Where's the line drawn?

Dean

"George Lombard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Hi Dean,
    >
    > Your question can't be answered by anyone not living in Brisbane or
further
    > north and therefore aware of the cane toad issue.
    >
    > Cane toads are an introduced species here and quite passive because
nothing
    > attacks them and lives, due to the poison they carry in their skins. They are safe
    > for children to hold, but an animal that tries a cane toad lunch dies. There was a
    > very funny documentary about them some years ago,
showing
    > a cat owner mourning the cat's loss to this poisoning. Unfortunately I
live
    > south of the cane toad line in Sydney and cannot assist...
    >
    > Cheers
    >
    > George Lombard
    >
    > www.austimmigration.com.au Dean wrote in message ...
    > >Hi Kate
    > >
    > >Thank you for that info. I'm glad to hear they get along ok. I kind of
had
    > >visions of walking in the garden and seeing Ziggy wrapped in a big snake with his
    > >eyes popping out (he's cute as hell but not the brightest bulb
on
    > >the tree if you know what I mean) but maybe I watch the Discovery channel
    > >too much.
    > >
    > >As for how we are going to get them there, we haven't resolved that one
    > yet.
    > >Part of me doesn't want to put them through the journey but the selfish
    > part
    > >of me wants them with me when we are there as I can barely remember life without
    > >them and also I'll feel like I'm deserting them if I go.
    > >
    > >If I get any good info on someone who can take them I'll post it here.
    > >
    > >Dean
    > >
    > >"KtyLawson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >news:[email protected]...
    > >> Hi Dean,
    > >>
    > >> I too am taking my cats back to OZ with me. I have had cats in
Australia
    > >for 18
    > >> years and they soon learn what to tangle with and what not too. I
    > wouldn't
    > >be
    > >> too concerned as they are more likely to be scared by the wildlife and
    > >know
    > >> that the colours displayed by certain creatures will mean danger.
    > >>
    > >> I do understand your concerns, but would advise you not to worry, but
to
    > >keep
    > >> an eye on your cats to ensure they stay healthy, just as i did with
mine
    > >at
    > >> home and the ones i will be bringing with me.
    > >>
    > >> I hope my advice has been of some help in releiving your worries, good
    > >luck.
    > >>
    > >> By the way how are you sending your cats and with who? As i am still in
    > >the
    > >> processes of working it all out.
    > >>
    > >> Cheers Kate
    > >
    >
 
Old Jul 14th 2002, 7:20 am
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Michael Hoffman
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"Russell Driver" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

    >
    > "BH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >>
    >> >
    >> > Leave them inside? I know, this could end up in the usual "indoor vs outdoor
    >> > cat" religious war. Obviously I'm in the indoor camp.
    >> >
    >> > IIRC, cats are the no. 1 killer of Australian wildlife. Wasn't there
    > even
    >> > an eradication program some time ago? Whatever became of that?
    >> >
    >> > Mike (who also plans to bring his kitties along, but they stay inside)
    >>
    >> CARS are no. 1 killer of Australian wildlife.

I'll get back to both of you, as soon as I get my hands on "Feral Future",
which, while strangely referenced in secondary literature doesn't seem to be out
itself, yet. 8-}

Mike
 
Old Jul 14th 2002, 3:20 pm
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Hills
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George Lombard wrote:

    > Hi Dean,
    >
    > Your question can't be answered by anyone not living in Brisbane or further north
    > and therefore aware of the cane toad issue.
    >
    > Cane toads are an introduced species here and quite passive because nothing attacks
    > them and lives, due to the poison they carry in their skins. They are safe for
    > children to hold, but an animal that tries a cane toad lunch dies. There was a very
    > funny documentary about them some years ago, showing a cat owner mourning the cat's
    > loss to this poisoning. Unfortunately I live south of the cane toad line in Sydney
    > and cannot assist...
    >
    > Cheers
    >
    > George Lombard
    >

George,

Anecdotal evidence, admittedly, but I believe the cane toad menace of the 80's has
all but gone. 20 years ago, I would not go into my suburban backyard after dark
because of them (horribly slimy things), and every day there were several
car-squashed on the road.

I moved back into the same suburb 4 years ago, and I have not, in that whole time,
seen even *one* cane toad, alive or dead.

Wonder where they all went? LJ
 
Old Jul 14th 2002, 10:20 pm
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"Dean" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    >
    > Funny how? Is somebody mourning a loss seen as comedy in Australia or am I missing
    > something?
    >
    > Would it be funny if it was their dog or, god forbid, their child or is
that
    > not funny? Where's the line drawn?
    >
    > Dean

For chrissake Dean, it's only a damn cat -

You worry about Tiddles getting attacked by the local wildlife - I'm much more
concerned about our indigenous wildlife getting attacked by these unwelcome feline
migrants. Some local councils such as Tweed Shire have thankfully had the foresight
to ban cats and dogs in certain areas to protect the local wildlife.

Just my 0.02 John
 
Old Jul 15th 2002, 12:20 am
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Dean
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I'm sorry to be attached to something I've had for a third of my life. There are
people in my life that I'd rather lose than our cats. Maybe I should just cook
them and have them as a final meal before we come out there. Would that be
preferable to you?

Anyway if that's the broad attitude out there then I suppose they'll be staying
here although I fail to see how 2 elderly cats who have been nuetered and prefer to
lay in the sun than attack things are going to decimate your indigenous wildlife.
Get a grip.

Dean

"Johnny Boy" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Dean" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > Funny how? Is somebody mourning a loss seen as comedy in Australia or am
I
    > > missing something?
    > >
    > > Would it be funny if it was their dog or, god forbid, their child or is
    > that
    > > not funny? Where's the line drawn?
    > >
    > > Dean
    >
    > For chrissake Dean, it's only a damn cat -
    >
    > You worry about Tiddles getting attacked by the local wildlife - I'm much more
    > concerned about our indigenous wildlife getting attacked by these unwelcome feline
    > migrants. Some local councils such as Tweed Shire have thankfully had the foresight
to
    > ban cats and dogs in certain areas to protect the local wildlife.
    >
    > Just my 0.02 John
 
Old Jul 15th 2002, 12:20 am
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George Lombard
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Hi Dean,

Most of the film was funny, some of it quirky, and the genuine regret of the cat
owner is an abiding memory I have of the piece. But we do have black humour here too.

On the cane toads, just get someone in Brisbane who owns cats to advise you. Accept
no substitutes

Cheers

George Lombard

www.austimmigration.com.au Dean wrote in message ...
    >I'm sorry to be attached to something I've had for a third of my life.
There
    >are people in my life that I'd rather lose than our cats. Maybe I should just cook
    >them and have them as a final meal before we come out there.
Would
    >that be preferable to you?
    >
    >Anyway if that's the broad attitude out there then I suppose they'll be staying
    >here although I fail to see how 2 elderly cats who have been nuetered and prefer to
    >lay in the sun than attack things are going to decimate your indigenous wildlife.
    >Get a grip.
    >
    >Dean
    >
    >"Johnny Boy" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >>
    >> "Dean" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >> >
    >> > Funny how? Is somebody mourning a loss seen as comedy in Australia or
am
    >I
    >> > missing something?
    >> >
    >> > Would it be funny if it was their dog or, god forbid, their child or is
    >> that
    >> > not funny? Where's the line drawn?
    >> >
    >> > Dean
    >>
    >> For chrissake Dean, it's only a damn cat -
    >>
    >> You worry about Tiddles getting attacked by the local wildlife - I'm much more
    >> concerned about our indigenous wildlife getting attacked by these unwelcome feline
    >> migrants. Some local councils such as Tweed Shire have thankfully had the
    >> foresight
    >to
    >> ban cats and dogs in certain areas to protect the local wildlife.
    >>
    >> Just my 0.02 John
    >>
    >>
    >
 
Old Jul 15th 2002, 1:20 am
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Johnny Boy
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"Dean" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > I'm sorry to be attached to something I've had for a third of my life.
There
    > are people in my life that I'd rather lose than our cats. Maybe I should just cook
    > them and have them as a final meal before we come out there.
Would
    > that be preferable to you?
    >
    > Anyway if that's the broad attitude out there then I suppose they'll be staying
    > here although I fail to see how 2 elderly cats who have been nuetered and prefer to
    > lay in the sun than attack things are going to decimate your indigenous wildlife.
    > Get a grip.
    >
    > Dean

Dean, It's hard not to be emotive when defending something that's been part of your
family for a good many years. But the fact remains that domestic cats and dogs do
pose a serious threat to our precious, and in some cases endangered, wildlife. Maybe
not your two cats - but I am looking at the bigger picture here. John
 


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