Kamran Mansoor

Hi all:

I have degree in Computer Science from a Pakistani good ranking university(in Asia).Experience is more than 7 years.

I just need to know ,Should I go for Normal Assessment or RPL?Any Advice with reason/ref will be greatlly appreciated.

Thanks and have a nice day!
Kamran

Lana

If you have a 4-year degree from a fully accredited university in your country, I say go for the normal assessment. We did RPL and it is a hassle - I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who doesn't actually need it.

Sdw

Why would you want to go through the hassle and additional expense of
RPL when you appear to have the proper qualification for an easy Group
A assessment?

Kamran Mansoor wrote in message n
ews:...
    > Hi all:
    >
    > I have degree in Computer Science from a Pakistani good ranking
    > university(in Asia).Experience is more than 7 years.
    >
    > I just need to know ,Should I go for Normal Assessment or RPL?Any Advice
    > with reason/ref will be greatlly appreciated.
    >
    > Thanks and have a nice day!
    > Kamran

Jaj

Most Pakistan degrees will (at best) be treated as Group B, not Group
A. All depends on the university's standing as per the Country
Education Profile and the amount of IT content.

Jeremy

    >On 15 Jan 2003 11:57:19 -0800, [email protected] (SDW) wrote:
    >Why would you want to go through the hassle and additional expense of
    >RPL when you appear to have the proper qualification for an easy Group
    >A assessment?
    >Kamran Mansoor wrote in message n
    >ews:...
    >> Hi all:
    >>
    >> I have degree in Computer Science from a Pakistani good ranking
    >> university(in Asia).Experience is more than 7 years.
    >>
    >> I just need to know ,Should I go for Normal Assessment or RPL?Any Advice
    >> with reason/ref will be greatlly appreciated.
    >>
    >> Thanks and have a nice day!
    >> Kamran

This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction

Kamran Mansoor

Well I will post an interesting story tomorrow as I donot have documents with me right now(In Order to be very true and correct).So Please check tomorrow

Thanks and have a wonderful day!

Kamran Mansoor

Kamran Mansoor

Well here is the Issue:

A friend of mine applied for Normal Skill Assessment in first quarter of 2002(pre OCT1) had degree in computer science(graduated in first quarter of 2000) 6 and a half years of experience ,two and half post qualification and 4 years pre-qualification(paid ,20-25 per week, started in first quarter of 96).

His university is recognized both inside(engineering council, university grants commission government of Pakistan) and outside Pakistan ,representing Pakistan in Association of Commonwealth Universities in it's Administrative Board (2000-2004), the only university from Pakistan.

It is one of the best university in the whole region , as it's graduates are employed at big organization like Microsoft(main campus Redmond),Cisco and so on and are doing research in prestigious universities of the world.

The result was

"The application has a Bachelor of Science which is not recognized and therefore does not meet the requirement for a qualification in information technology"

and there fore UNSUITABLE (although he had mentioned more than Six years Exp)


Then lodge his RPL under pre OCT1 and got

"reached the conclusion that his experience together with his educational achievements would equate with the level of an Australian undergradute degree with a major in IT".

"Based on the Assessor's RPL assessment, the applicant has the equivalent of an Australian undergraduate degree with a major in computing".

hence SUITABLE

and the problematic things were

1) deeming date

it was first quarter of 2001)means taking 5 years exprience not 4 years,other wise it would be in first quarter of 2000


2)This time straightaway accepted his degree equivalent as see below

"Based on the Assessor's RPL assessment, the applicant has the equivalent of an Australian undergraduate degree with a major in computing"."

Could not they do the same in Normal Assessment ?



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Also if any one could advise that would be greatly appreciated

3)Is deeming date present in all pre OCT1 RPL?

4)Any possibility of correction(removing it altogether, or calculate it more thoroughly) via appeal or request ,as provision of appeal was not mentioned(it was present in Normal assessment within 60 days)

"Any queries regarding this assessment should be made in writing and forwarded to Deputy Direct member ship board"

5)What should I do (RPL or Normal)? as My case is very similar to him

Good Bye and Have a nice day to all!

Kamran

Khawar

Well ACS follows certain pattern; but it is and can be misused a lot;
I know applicants with no degree or diploma (recognised) but with only
an MCSE and 4 years either post or pre having received a positive
report (Pre- Oct 2002)

Now what the trend is: Sit for the MCSE /MCSD and make up 6 years
experience and get a positive report.

Kamran Mansoor

Thanks Khawar, I have also seen this kind of scenerio.People with MCSE+exp have no problem.

Is there any one who could answer my question by looking at the case analytically?

Thanks
Kamran Mansoor

Lana

Since it looks like a complicated case, I'd have to say go with an agent.

Kamran Mansoor

Thanks Lana:

Just a simple question

Has anyone heard about ACS accepting degree from Pakistan, no matter in any group for Normal assessment(Not RPL)?

Any experience, knowledge?

Thanks

Kamran

Lana

Kamran, I've never heard either way but try to search on www.austimeline.com - they let you search for all ACS applications, so maybe there will be a positive one from Pakistan there? Doesn't hurt to try.

Khawar

Kamran Mansoor wrote in message news:...
    > Well here is the Issue:
    >
    > A friend of mine applied for Normal Skill Assessment in first quarter
    > of 2002(pre OCT1) had degree in computer science(graduated in first
    > quarter of 2000) 6 and a half years of experience ,two and half post
    > qualification and 4 years pre-qualification(paid ,20-25 per week,
    > started in first quarter of 96).
    >
    > His university is recognized both inside(engineering council,
    > university grants commission government of Pakistan) and outside
    > Pakistan ,representing Pakistan in Association of Commonwealth
    > Universities in it's Administrative Board (2000-2004), the only
    > university from Pakistan.
    >
    > It is one of the best university in the whole region , as it's graduates
    > are employed at big organization like Microsoft(main campus
    > Redmond),Cisco and so on and are doing research in prestigious
    > universities of the world.
    >
    > The result was
    >
    > "The application has a Bachelor of Science which is not recognized and
    > therefore does not meet the requirement for a qualification in
    > information technology"
    >
    > and there fore UNSUITABLE (although he had mentioned more than Six
    > years Exp)
    >
    >
    > Then lodge his RPL under pre OCT1 and got
    >
    > "reached the conclusion that his experience together with his
    > educational achievements would equate with the level of an Australian
    > undergradute degree with a major in IT".
    >
    > "Based on the Assessor's RPL assessment, the applicant has the
    > equivalent of an Australian undergraduate degree with a major in
    > computing".
    >
    > hence SUITABLE
    >
    > and the problematic things were
    >
    > 1) deeming date
    >
    > it was first quarter of 2001)means taking 5 years exprience not 4
    > years,other wise it would be in first quarter of 2000
    >
    >
    > 2)This time straightaway accepted his degree equivalent as see below
    >
    > "Based on the Assessor's RPL assessment, the applicant has the
    > equivalent of an Australian undergraduate degree with a major in
    > computing"."
    >
    > Could not they do the same in Normal Assessment ?
    >
    >
    >
    > -------
    >
    > Also if any one could advise that would be greatly appreciated
    >
    > 3)Is deeming date present in all pre OCT1 RPL?
    >
    > 4)Any possibility of correction(removing it altogether, or calculate it
    > more thoroughly) via appeal or request ,as provision of appeal was
    > not mentioned(it was present in Normal assessment within 60 days)
    >
    > "Any queries regarding this assessment should be made in writing and
    > forwarded to Deputy Direct member ship board"
    >
    > 5)What should I do (RPL or Normal)? as My case is very similar to him
    >
    > Good Bye and Have a nice day to all!
    >
    > Kamran

Well Mr. Kamran

First of all your friend does not have a recognised qualification;
What is the name of the University; (I have the Country Education
Profile - Pakistan and it mentions all the recognised Pakistani
Colleges/Universities)..

As he didnt have a recognised qualification, hence he does not fall
under either Category A or B; He had to through RPL.

With RPL there is always the deeming date (preferred date); hence his
experience will be be considered by DIMA after deeming date.

BEWARE: Post Oct 2002 has deeming dates for Category B applicant's
also and MCSE is no more equivalent to an Australian AQF Diploma.

Kamran Mansoor

Well he is a graduate of Sir Syed University of Engineering and Technology. SSUET is one the leading private sector university in the filed of science and techonlogy in Pakistan. Recognised by University grant commission Pakistan (UGC) and Pakistan engineering Council (PEC).Can check thier web site.

It 's gradute are in high demand both within and outside Pakistan and are employed at multinational like Micorsoft (Redmond),SeattleUSA, Compaq Computers just to name a few.

It is representing Pakistan in Association of Common Wealth Universities (a sub body of UNESCO) in it's administrative board 200--2004.The only university form Pakistan.

Has collabration with OXFORD, Al Ghurair UAE and many universities of USA,UK,Canada and Australia(Can name 100 universities).

As SSUET was established in 1994 , So like many other universities (relatively new university) it's profile is missing from NOOSR booklet, Which was published just once in 1991( as far as Pakistan is concerned ) as result of survey conducted in late eighties, and was never updated.

NOOSR is updating it's profile on phase by phase basis, let us see when Pakistan's turn comes. This is process is painfully slow due to what ever reason. I guess government organisation(fully/semi) every where are like this. I apologies for my comment, I donot mean to cast a bad picture as I do not have this right but I have personally witnessed many in UK and USA.

Well my friend situation changes almost totally in 10-12 years.
The cities and companies of the world that had no ranking 10 years ago are now getting under 10 positions.

Similarly many (cities/organizations /individual) who were in top ten slot 10 years ago are not finding their place even in top 50 or totally disappeared.

I was child ten years ago, Now fully grown up, if you want to present me a shirt , keeping in mind my ten years back height it would not even fit my child probably.

If you plan to construct a road on the basis of ten years old survey , that road would be of no good to commuter.

So in short
SSUET 's profile is not present in NOOSR, Coorect .On the basis of that profile ACS was judging their graduates UNSUITABLE for Normal Skill assessment.

But
SSUET is recognised by all bodies in Pakistan and at every place /body outside Pakistan except a few , which is due to their own fault and laziness, Sorry to say.

The answer would be yes, If you decide on the basis of NOOSR profile and follow the guide lines blindly ,without putting any strain on the thing on your top, The application of all the graduates will not come under Group A/Group B without any doubt

But what is the fault of innocent graduates if some one else is not updating their own record for the last ten years and advising other to follow their out dated guide lines for deciding their suitability .And that record is ten years old.In today's fast paced world ,ten years means a century.


However the news of success from individauls regarding their success from ACS and other bodies have started coming. As they were providing too much documents about the university to their assessing bodies in addition to just their.

So it is now a clear passage for other graduates due to the efforts by their seniors.

Please accept my apology on being too much descriptive.

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One thing more, Yes you are correct ACS is putting date on Group B also not just RPL.

As far as my knowledge is concerned there is no date on Group A, need some time to let you know correctly. Group A thing is contrary to what already have been said in other threads by many of my friends/agents. I guess the general consensus was date on every assessment (GroupA/B...,RPL).

In the end I would like to pass my thanks to all for putting their time and giving their thoughts and opinions.

Wishing Best of Luck to all
Kamran