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yes of course, because of these kind of things only they have stricked there rules without no loop holes,
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Originally Posted by starwin4u
yes of course, because of these kind of things only they have stricked there rules without no loop holes,
I take it you mean

"Because of these things Australia have become strict and have no loop holes in their Immigration policy?"

Then you would be correct the more strict the rules the more safe we can live here in Australia, if there are loop holes then Australia would attract the wrong type of people.
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Unlike Americans and Canadians, the Aussies tend to look at everyone through the "window of nationality".

If one person from a certain country is bad , the "entire" country is bad or rather "HIGH RISK".

I know of many who studied in Australia and later worked in Australia - no verification of qualifications/experience required from foreign sources - yet CO assigment is delayed because first priority given to applicants from low risk countries.
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Originally Posted by man_called_Horse
Not a question of Services its a question of money because India is cheaper, A lot of these large Australian companies are using a contrctor who then sub-contract in India if it all goes pear shaped they still have the back up in Australia.
I can second this as I have worked in the "back up" position for several very large companies. I have worked with several Indian off-shore teams, some of their members are exceptionlly good at there jobs but others seem to struggle.
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Unlike Americans and Canadians, the Aussies tend to look at everyone through the "window of nationality".

If one person from a certain country is bad , the "entire" country is bad or rather "HIGH RISK".

I know of many who studied in Australia and later worked in Australia - no verification of qualifications/experience required from foreign sources - yet CO assigment is delayed because first priority given to applicants from low risk countries.
I can understand your frustration at having your application delayed because you are from a High Risk country, why didnt you apply for a 457 and try the place out before you start bagging the Government policy.

My company recruited me on a 457 so that I could determine if Australia is the place for me, I'm sure these companies who offered you all these wonderful jobs would be delighted to pay the $500 and you get 4 years to apply for PR.

I can understand that not everyone from India is corrupt, but if the Australian Government has put India in a high risk category then they must have been receiving a lot of false information, I hate to think how many DIAC CO waste so much time on wild goose chase from Indian applicants. There must be many other applicants from low risk countries frustrated with this.

Look I am just telling you how it is, Australia does not judge any country unless it has good reason, these tend to be of a security nature. For a country to be granting so many visas every day Australia does not need terrorist sleeper cells to sneak in the back door under the guise of a skilled immigrant so anyone from a High Risk area has to be checked for all our safety.

Looking back over you posts I can see that you have a certain arrogance that because you feel as if there is so much hype about India being some sort of Engineering/IT mecca that you should be have special treatment, Yeah look India is going through an IT revolution but thats because labour is cheap, its still a 3rd world country thats trying to boost its economic world power. It will happen at some stage but its along way off so you just have to accept that and get over it
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Unlike Americans and Canadians, the Aussies tend to look at everyone through the "window of nationality".

If one person from a certain country is bad , the "entire" country is bad or rather "HIGH RISK".
can you propose a way to classify applicants in a more efficient way (without making it more complicated)?

Originally Posted by msi geek
I know of many who studied in Australia and later worked in Australia - no verification of qualifications/experience required from foreign sources - yet CO assigment is delayed because first priority given to applicants from low risk countries.
That's because he could have committed crimes in his country of nationality and that country has a high incidence of fraudulent people.

Again, IMHO, Australia is a sovereign country and it's none of your business how they implement their immigration policies. If you feel discriminated, stay away from Oz! I would think you will carry that mentality with you in Oz, you will always say people are racist when you are inconvenienced/unsuccessful. I honestly hate people with that kind of mentality!!!

If Australia is lax about background checks, Australia will end up like the US or UK with many immigrants of dubious backgrounds. As someone from HR country, I can feel the frustration of waiting, but I'd rather be inconvenienced now than live in Oz with these dubious people in the future.
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Originally Posted by PuneetGaba
Hey Commonwealth, i think u just need to relax a bit with this arrogant attitude of urs. We all know that u have the PR of Australia now, but it doesn't mean that u stop being polite with ur fellow HR applicants who can in some cases put up questions that may seem silly to u.

U also need to realise that a lot of people visit this forum to garner some knowledge and are not aware with issues such as India being a HR country, which in turn may seem surprising to them as not everyone uses fraudalent documents in India.

So i would advice u to just chill and try to be polite with the kind of tone u r using with ur fellow applicants.
I'm not being arrogant, I'm just being realistic. But why the heck would anyone want to move to a country where they feel they will be discriminated against? Too desperate to leave?

Again, Australia is a sovereign country, and whether you like it or not, it can implement its immigration policies the way it wants!
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I can second this as I have worked in the "back up" position for several very large companies. I have worked with several Indian off-shore teams, some of their members are exceptionlly good at there jobs but others seem to struggle.
All IT jobs in India are Permanent Full Time roles - no concept of contracting - hence the attrition rate is almost 100%.

An average salary of an IT pro in Australia is only (100K+Super) - a contractor can charge $100/hr and earn twice as much - most specialists in Australia keep on contracting rather than settle into a permanent role.


The best of India always migrates to USA - with the dot com bust and reduction in H1 visa caps, they have recently turned their attention to Australia. But, then, America is land of "equal opportunity" - no HR or LR applicants there. Australia, far from being a superpower, - more a retirement base for sun straved Brits. No comparison between America and Australia !!!

Why the Americans look at India so differently and have the confidence to offshore almost everything - high tech or low tech

There are 3.22 million Indians in the US.

Indians are the richest immigrant class in the US, with nearly 200,000 millionaires.

38% of doctors in USA are Indians.

12% scientists in USA are Indians.

36% of NASA scientists are Indians.

34% of Microsoft employees are Indians.

28% of IBM employees are Indians.

17% of INTEL scientists are Indians.

13% of XEROX employees are Indians.
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All IT jobs in India are Permanent Full Time roles - no concept of contracting - hence the attrition rate is almost 100%.

An average salary of an IT pro in Australia is only (100K+Super) - a contractor can charge $100/hr and earn twice as much - most specialists in Australia keep on contracting rather than settle into a permanent role.


The best of India always migrates to USA - with the dot com bust and reduction in H1 visa caps, they have recently turned their attention to Australia. But, then, America is land of "equal opportunity" - no HR or LR applicants there. Australia, far from being a superpower, - more a retirement base for sun straved Brits. No comparison between America and Australia !!!

Why the Americans look at India so differently and have the confidence to offshore almost everything - high tech or low tech

There are 3.22 million Indians in the US.

Indians are the richest immigrant class in the US, with nearly 200,000 millionaires.

38% of doctors in USA are Indians.

12% scientists in USA are Indians.

36% of NASA scientists are Indians.

34% of Microsoft employees are Indians.

28% of IBM employees are Indians.

17% of INTEL scientists are Indians.

13% of XEROX employees are Indians.
There are more than one billion Indians in the world and set to surpass the Chinese in terms of population. India is getting over-populated and many people want to leave the country. Naturally, there would be more Indians than other nationalities roaming around the planet seeking greener pastures. As was said, the Indians are now the no.1 in terms of skilled migration to Australia, so why contrast with the USA? And if you think USA is better, why not migrate there?

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38% of doctors in USA are Indians.

12% scientists in USA are Indians.

36% of NASA scientists are Indians.

34% of Microsoft employees are Indians.

28% of IBM employees are Indians.

17% of INTEL scientists are Indians.

13% of XEROX employees are Indians.
What is your source for these figures?
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What is your source for these figures?
I'm keen to know this too dorothy, 3.22 million indians in the USA, thats about 1% of the population, so how can these other percentages be so high?
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I'm keen to know this too dorothy, 3.22 million indians in the USA, thats about 1% of the population, so how can these other percentages be so high?
38% of doctors are Indian? My SIL works as a nurse in the Chicago area and I think she would beg to differ.
36% of NASA scientists are Indian? That one just made me laugh.
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Originally Posted by man_called_Horse
I can understand your frustration at having your application delayed because you are from a High Risk country, why didnt you apply for a 457 and try the place out before you start bagging the Government policy.

My company recruited me on a 457 so that I could determine if Australia is the place for me, I'm sure these companies who offered you all these wonderful jobs would be delighted to pay the $500 and you get 4 years to apply for PR.

I can understand that not everyone from India is corrupt, but if the Australian Government has put India in a high risk category then they must have been receiving a lot of false information, I hate to think how many DIAC CO waste so much time on wild goose chase from Indian applicants. There must be many other applicants from low risk countries frustrated with this.

Look I am just telling you how it is, Australia does not judge any country unless it has good reason, these tend to be of a security nature. For a country to be granting so many visas every day Australia does not need terrorist sleeper cells to sneak in the back door under the guise of a skilled immigrant so anyone from a High Risk area has to be checked for all our safety.

Looking back over you posts I can see that you have a certain arrogance that because you feel as if there is so much hype about India being some sort of Engineering/IT mecca that you should be have special treatment, Yeah look India is going through an IT revolution but thats because labour is cheap, its still a 3rd world country thats trying to boost its economic world power. It will happen at some stage but its along way off so you just have to accept that and get over it
As mentioned in one of my previous posts, Australian attitude is more like

Every applicant from a HR country is most likely a terrorist
Every applicant from a LR country is most likely an Angel.

Is is not possible that - the very opposite can be true in many cases.

A person from a LR country can do nothing wrong.

Carry the same security checks, background checks, medical checks , education/experience checks for all applicants - LR or HR - visa processing times will always vary depending upon the case complexity even for applicants with the same nationality - SIMILAR TO OTHER FIRST WORLD COUNTRIES - why is Australia acting so different ???

All service standards set by DIAC are classified LR/HR? - how many other first world countries do that???

An American recruting for a Aussie company was surprised to discover such a thing happening even in the 21st century.


Dividing the whole world into HR/LR by DIAC also results in employers dividing all job applicants into HR/LR - obviously many employers lose out on very good applicants because of such policies.

A very big criteria in selection process - possible date of joining - considering the service standards set by DIAC for HR countries - few employers want to even consider HR applicants.
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Originally Posted by msi geek
Australia, far from being a superpower, - more a retirement base for sun straved Brits. No comparison between America and Australia !!!
Whats the rush to get here then? Let us pale Brits enjoy the sun and clear of to the good old US of A.

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38% of doctors are Indian? My SIL works as a nurse in the Chicago area and I think she would beg to differ.
36% of NASA scientists are Indian? That one just made me laugh.
Well, you would not laugh after reading this article:

36% of scientists at NASA are Indians: Govt survey

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/3...ow/2853178.cms

National Newspapers do not articles unless there is some truth in them
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