4000 Psi

anybody have any experiences they can share about bringing your beloved
pet(s) into OZ? i can't stand leaving our poor furry friend behind (

pinkbikini

On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 23:04:34 -0700, "4000 psi" <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >anybody have any experiences they can share about bringing your beloved
    >pet(s) into OZ? i can't stand leaving our poor furry friend behind (

This may be of interest to you

http://www.ipata.com/worldwide.htm

Go to Find A Pet Shipper for the US.

Cath

R.Bartlett

go to http://www.britishexpats.com

and use the search function on the au/nz culture section

cheers

richard

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    > On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 23:04:34 -0700, "4000 psi" <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    > >anybody have any experiences they can share about bringing your beloved
    > >pet(s) into OZ? i can't stand leaving our poor furry friend behind (
    > >
    > This may be of interest to you
    > http://www.ipata.com/worldwide.htm
    > Go to Find A Pet Shipper for the US.
    > Cath

max kilby

Hi,

We imported Charlie our cat into Oz using the mob from Colchester whose name escapes me at the moment. They were very good and although Charlie pined and lost a little weight the 'diet' did him good as he was always a fat cat!
The crate that they custom built for him was a real piece of work and I think it would have survived a nuclear blast let alone a plane journey from Heathrow to Melbourne.

Cheers,

MAX

4000 Psi

was he allowed to fly in the passenger cabin or did they force the poor guy
into cargo hold?

"max kilby" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Originally posted by 4000 Psi
    > > anybody have any experiences they can share about bringing your
    > > beloved
    > > pet(s) into OZ? i can't stand leaving our poor furry friend behind
    > > (
    > Hi,
    > We imported Charlie our cat into Oz using the mob from Colchester whose
    > name escapes me at the moment. They were very good and although Charlie
    > pined and lost a little weight the 'diet' did him good as he was always
    > a fat cat!
    > The crate that they custom built for him was a real piece of work and I
    > think it would have survived a nuclear blast let alone a plane journey
    > from Heathrow to Melbourne.
    > Cheers,
    > MAX
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com

pinkbikini

On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 08:12:59 -0700, "4000 psi" <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >was he allowed to fly in the passenger cabin or did they force the poor guy
    >into cargo hold?

On international flights, they fly cargo hold.

Cath

Michael Hoffman

"4000 psi" <[email protected]> wrote in
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    > anybody have any experiences they can share about bringing your beloved
    > pet(s) into OZ? i can't stand leaving our poor furry friend behind (
    >
    >

By all means check out www.aqis.gov.au and read the quarantine regulations.
Following those to a T can shorten the time your beloved critter needs to
spend in actual quarantine (for US critters as little as 30 days instead of
as much as 6 months).

Mike (who has 2 cats and 2 dogs who need to learn what a kangaroo looks
like

4000 Psi

thats scary ... is it pressurized?

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    > On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 08:12:59 -0700, "4000 psi" <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    > >was he allowed to fly in the passenger cabin or did they force the poor
guy
    > >into cargo hold?
    > >
    > On international flights, they fly cargo hold.
    > Cath

Peter H.M. Brooks

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    > <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > > On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 08:12:59 -0700, "4000 psi" <[email protected]>
    > > wrote:
    > >
    > > >was he allowed to fly in the passenger cabin or did they force the poor
    > guy
    > > >into cargo hold?
    > > >
    > >
    > > On international flights, they fly cargo hold.
    > >
    > > Cath
    > thats scary ... is it pressurized?
No - they have special cat oxygen masks.


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Michael Hoffman

"4000 psi" <[email protected]> wrote in
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    > thats scary ... is it pressurized?
    >
    > <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >> On international flights, they fly cargo hold.

    :-D

Sorry, didn't mean to laugh, but it's such a common misconception.

Of course, the cargo hold is pressurized. Otherwise it would not just be
very short trip for Fluffy, but passengers would also find their luggage
coming out frozen solid at the baggage claim.

Mike

Michael Hoffman

"Peter H.M. Brooks" <[email protected]> wrote in
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    > No - they have special cat oxygen masks.

And little goggles and pilot's caps. Our cats would single-pawedly re-enact
the Battle of Britain down there.

Mike

pinkbikini

On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 12:42:11 -0700, "4000 psi" <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >thats scary ... is it pressurized?
    ><[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >> On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 08:12:59 -0700, "4000 psi" <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >> >was he allowed to fly in the passenger cabin or did they force the poor
    >>>guy >into cargo hold?
    > >
    >> On international flights, they fly cargo hold.
    >> Cath
Yes, pressurised and heated.

Depending on where you live in the US, you should be aware that most
puddle jumpers are unable to take pets.

I have a choice of two regional airports, Corpus Christi or Victoria
in South Texas. I cannot fly my cats out of either due to puddle
jumpers. The one airline that has aircraft suitable, South West,
does not take animals except assistant animals.

I either have to drive to San Antonio or Houston to fly my moggies
out. In which case, to settle them down a bit before they are flown
out, I will have them boarded a couple of nights.

Do check with the Australian authorities if you can use what I call
puddle pads in the cages. These are highly absorbant pads. You
should be able to find them at stores such as PetsMart etc [or check
online].

I only have experience flying dogs within New Zealand and never had
any problem. I am a former baggage services manager here in the US.
During my time working for the airline here, we never had any problems
from the animals - only the owners who didn't claim them even if they
were on the same flight and expected us to deliver them!

Cath

4000 Psi

what are puddle jumpers?

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    > On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 12:42:11 -0700, "4000 psi" <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    > >thats scary ... is it pressurized?
    > >
    > ><[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > >> On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 08:12:59 -0700, "4000 psi" <[email protected]>
    > >> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >was he allowed to fly in the passenger cabin or did they force the
poor
    > >>>guy >into cargo hold?
    > > >
    > >>
    > >> On international flights, they fly cargo hold.
    > >>
    > >> Cath
    > >
    > Yes, pressurised and heated.
    > Depending on where you live in the US, you should be aware that most
    > puddle jumpers are unable to take pets.
    > I have a choice of two regional airports, Corpus Christi or Victoria
    > in South Texas. I cannot fly my cats out of either due to puddle
    > jumpers. The one airline that has aircraft suitable, South West,
    > does not take animals except assistant animals.
    > I either have to drive to San Antonio or Houston to fly my moggies
    > out. In which case, to settle them down a bit before they are flown
    > out, I will have them boarded a couple of nights.
    > Do check with the Australian authorities if you can use what I call
    > puddle pads in the cages. These are highly absorbant pads. You
    > should be able to find them at stores such as PetsMart etc [or check
    > online].
    > I only have experience flying dogs within New Zealand and never had
    > any problem. I am a former baggage services manager here in the US.
    > During my time working for the airline here, we never had any problems
    > from the animals - only the owners who didn't claim them even if they
    > were on the same flight and expected us to deliver them!
    > Cath

pinkbikini

On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 13:12:28 -0700, "4000 psi" <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >what are puddle jumpers?
LOL. Obviously you don't live in the boondocks!

Puddle jumpers are those small regional aircraft that feed into the
bigger airports. Some are jet, some prop.

ie: American Eagle from Corpus feeds into Dallas-Fort Worth [DFW]
Continental Express from both Corpus & Victoria feed into Houston.
SkyWest is another that comes to mind.

They are a pain in the *** as they are limited with what they carry
both in the hold and in the cabin. Most carryons have to be
gatechecked as there are no overheads to speak of.
They quickly reach max load and it's not unusual for bags to have to
be offloaded to get them under.

Cath

N'Gokit

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G'day 4000 psi,

For info about bringing your ept to Oz, please visit:

http://www.affa.gov.au/content/outpu...8D-4F3C-9A105F
C386509409

The study below might be of interest to you:

Despite the increasing popularity of international air transportation of
companion animals, there is limited data regarding monitoring of the
climatic and environmental influences affecting dogs on long haul flights.
With scarcity of information before, during and after air transportation of
dogs, veterinarians are unable to make objective and informed decisions in
addressing animal owner concerns when certifying animals intending to travel
while satisfying the needs of the airline industry for the best interests of
the travelling dog. This study will seek to determine if the climate of
travelling in the cargo compartment of an aircraft, and that during layover,
is detrimental to dogs during long haul international air transportation.



As pet status gains wide recognition and society is tending to be more
litigious, the monetary penalties associated with injury, infection, lose,
delay or ethical concerns of live cargo could become a concern for the
airline industry if courts award "pain and suffering" for both the animal
and owner. The health and safety requirements, the inconvenience of handling
animals, coupled with the meager revenue from such cargo are just some of
the reasons why several airlines do not accept live cargo. In addition,
planes have been delayed and rerouted because of live cargo emergencies;
therefore, transporting pets is posing a dilemma for airlines - how do they
maximize their profits without compromising animal health and safety and how
can they best avoid litigation?



On the other hand, veterinarians and animal owners are concerned for the
safety and comfort of animals during air transportation. Although
regulations and conditions under which animals are transported by air are
more stringent than those of other forms of transport, animal owners are
uncertain if the various airline carriers meet these safety expectations.
Unlike the well developed international transportation of horses where close
monitoring is well recognised and studied, other pets in the cargo
compartment of an airplane may suffer from extreme cold or heat, may lack
sufficient oxygen, or may be cramped in cages too small or may be exposed to
unacceptable noise levels. Moreover, animals may be left out in adverse
weather conditions during layover. Also, animal owners have concerns that
their pets get exposed to excessive levels of radiation during security
checks. All these factors, together with the stress of long haul flights are
potentially fatal, or at the very least, predispose animals to various
ailments, and as such, need to be addressed for the benefit of the animals.



Veterinarians are required to assess animals for health certification before
air travel. Some airlines require a letter of acclimatisation to flight
conditions in addition to a health certificate. The issuance of a letter of
acclimatisation necessitates that the veterinarian defines the environmental
comfort levels that the animal can withstand while traveling. Airlines
maintain that the cargo area of the plane where pets travel has the same
temperature, pressure and humidity regulation as the passenger compartment
of the airplane, however, this claim remains controversial. For instance, a
study on commercial airlines found the cargo compartment minimum temperature
was relatively high averaging 18.6oC, while other studies have raised
concerns to the contrary. The regrettable certainty is that many companion
canines are shipped as cargo on international flights rather than excess
baggage and are at risk for spending considerable amounts of time in an
unfavourable environment. This risk may vary with the carrier airline, with
different airports, and with individual personnel or shifts. Delays are
common, and although it is objectionable to imagine, cargo can be left
unprotected at extreme temperature areas such as on hot runways, in the open
cargo bays of parked aircraft in a delay-at-gate situation, or in unroofed
holding areas for disturbing amounts of time. By asking for letters of
acclimatisation, airlines may be thought to be disallowing or minimising
their liability so veterinarians certify that pets can tolerate extreme
environmental changes associated with air travel.



Transportation is stressful for dogs and recent studies suggest that even a
commonly used sedative agent does not reduce the physiological and
behavioural stress responses of dogs during flight.Confinement of animals
for long periods of time typical of long haul flights without
acclimatisation, play or human contact creates a potential for adverse
effects that may or may not be associated with stress or anxiety. For this
reason, some animal owners prefer that the behaviour of their pets be
modified by chemotherapeutic agents before flying. Medications are of
limited use in long haul flights and may be potentially associated with
severe side effects such as the inability to control body temperature or
body balance potentially predisposing to bodily injury due to falls.
Although animals may survive flight, it is not known what conditions animals
go through during air travel and the long-term effects on their physiology.



N'Gokit