IMMI website & info
Jul 31st 2008, 4:18 am
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IMMI website & info
Just to let people know about the IMMI website and the contents it has.Those of you who are agents -please take heed and if you have the power to change , please do so. I believe it is unjust and unfair to be informing people of incorrect information.
The 'trade recognition' situation as per what you read below is reality ..
Attached is a copy of a formal complaint made to DIAC about the information it is giving out. Eamon.
(My recent reply)
Dear ------, I would like to respond and say that I am completely dis-
satisfied with your response. I was assured and informed by your co-worker
(Anne) that the relevent people and policy makers would be informed of the
noted problems.
Your reply seems not to have addressed any of these issue's.
I was also informed that if the information you provide was incorrect then
it should not be on your website.
The information I have provided (below) from the www.immi.gov.au website
which is incorrect has also not been addressed by you.
I feel you have not kept to your Clients Charter of service standard. "We
will provide you with a quality service where we -give you clear, accurate,
timely and relevant information or help you find it"
The information you are providing to thousands of people everyday through
your website is mis-leading and incorrect. It is giving people misguided
hopes and promises. "
'This information should be removed and stated that until correct procedural
information is available, IMMI cannot inform migrants of a pathway."
If you feel that you still cannot address these errors and issue's, you
leave me no alternative but to contact my local member of Parliament, taking
this to another level.
Yours Eamon
--------------------------------------------------
(IMMI reply)
> Dear Mr -----
> Thank you for your query.
>
> As you are aware, skills assessment as part of a General Skilled
> Migration visa application are for migration purposes only. Our website
> and GSM booklet 6 (General Skilled Migration) specifically state that
> you may need to obtain licensing or registration in your occupation
> before you can work in the state or territory where you settle.
>
> Unfortunately I cannot assist you with skills recognition for employment
> / registration purposes as it does not fall within the purview of the
> Department of Immigration and Citizenship.
>
> However please note that the Department is aware of the problems that
> new migrants face with trade licensing and registration. The Council of
> Australian Governments (COAG) has put forward a proposal to develop a
> comprehensive system for recognition of overseas qualifications to
> address this issue.
>
> I hope this information is of assistance.
>
> Regards
>
>
> ----- Skilled Migration
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
(My complaint)
>
> Thank you Anna for speaking to me this morning, details as follows.
> Please accept the 'You' as being the DIAC.
> My position is from a migrant arriving in NSW. I would like a full
> response. Thanking you in advance, Eamon
>
> "I have also received some Ministerial responses to my problem which may
> be forwarded on to you at a later date if requested. Senator Chris Evans,
> Premier Morris Iemma-NSW, Julia Guillard, Judy Forsyte -AQF). These
> responses had no relevant success and that is why I am now making this
> issue a complaint.
>
> My background is that I have been self-employed, running my own
> business as a successful carpenter/builder for over twenty years in
> Europe. I successfully completed my apprenticeship with the Irish
> Department of Education as a cabinetmaker in 1985, updated?this to a
> National Craft Certificate in 2003, (Fetac Level 6).
> With this qualification I have been able to work successfully in Ireland
> and England and have never experienced any difficulties in finding work.
> I applied for a skilled migration visa 175 and in the process had to pay
> for an assessment with the TRA. With this I received a classification
> [4922-11] Cabinetmaker from the Department of employment and workplace
> relations. When I arrived in Australia I followed the due process and
> went
> to the DIAC website to follow up on getting "recognised" in Australia.
>
> DIAC Website.-?In the Cabinetmaking section
> http://minister.immi.gov.au/asri/occ...er-4922-11.htm
>
> In this page you advise people to go to the AQF website.- Incorrect- The
> AQF does not undertake trade qualifications, their website sends you to
> National Office of Overseas Skills Recognition (AEI-NOOSR) website - they
> also do not cover trade qualifications. 'Att. 1'. below.
> You also say for "Trades recognition" to go to
> http://www.workplace.gov.au/workplace/Programmes/TRA. -Incorrect-
On contact with the TRA onshore they will not undertake any trade other than "electrical or metal trades"
> Licensing. - Mis-leading. You inform people in NSW that "There is no
> legal requirement for licensing or registration for this occupation in New
> South Wales".- If I wanted to partake in works over $1000 I would require a license. Therefore I would have to attain a NSW Joinery license to
> practice.
> Additional Training- you advise migrants to go to the Overseas
> Qualification Unit in NSW-
> http://apprenticeship.det.nsw.edu.au...adeskills.htm?. Incorrect
> process. The only recognition for migrants in this department is for a
> 'Craft Certificate'.
>
>I have been informed that a Craft Certificate is un-acceptable by the
> Licensing Department (Office of Fair Trading). (Aus. Cert iii only).
> I have been informed by an assessor of a RTO that a Craft Certificate
> is not a trade qualification and as such has minimal relevance.
> I have been informed by the Vocational Training Tribunal that the
> Craft Certificate will highly likely be removed within the next year.?
>
> In the Carpentry webpage you recommend people to also go to VETASSESS
> http://www.vetassess.com.au/. This department will only undertake
> assessments from overseas and from Victorians.
>
> As you are aware the first point of contact for migration is DIAC and as
> a migrant I have spent thousands of dollars to follow due protocol only
> to
> find myself unable to work in my chosen occupation and unable to earn an
> income for my family. Please be aware I am not an isolated case, this
> problem is generic with migrants in the building industry. There is also
> a
> huge feeling of disillusionment in migrants coming to Australia because
> they are becoming aware of the licensing and RTO problems.
> I have now been forced into paying for an assessment of RPL, recognised
> prior learning by an RTO. This is at an additional cost of $250 and I
> have
> been informed by the assessor that I will have to pay an additional $2250
> or $3500 to have my skills recognised... I have read that policy of? RPL
> is to ensure an applicant should not have to repeat previously learned
> skills.
> The construction industry is facing a difficult time with skilled trades
> people shortages and the government is having to pour funds into creating
> apprenticeships to meet the shortfall. I believe it would it be more
> prudent to enable qualified trades people from abroad get recognition in
> a?swift and less expensive method than the?current process has to offer.
> Migrants are learning that there is no incentive to?reside?in NSW? and
> practice their chosen profession to in order strengthen the construction
> industry.
> This will only happen if the present policy changes. I believe there is
> no
> point implementing an action plan for addressing skills shortages in the
> trades through a national approach to apprenticeships, training and
> skills
> recognition unless recognition is both mutual and unilateral. A concerted
> effort should also be to assist by making the process subsidized or
> fee-free.. There was a review of overseas skills recognition, upgrading
> and
> licensing by a Joint standing Committee on
> Migration.http://www.aph.gov.au/house/committe.../chapter2.htm?.
> I do not believe these recommendations have been fully implemented.
> I also believe that the Office of Fair Trading with its strict
> application of licensing is slowly strangle holding NSW construction
> industry to a point of economic disruption. This in turn will is seeing
> trades people leave their chosen profession for a somewhat less regulated
> occupation.
>
> I have contacted ____(Director)(www.aei-noosr.com.au ) whom
> in turn has?contacted several other bodies?and the outcome concluded is
> that without?additional training?my qualification is not acknowledged in
> New South Wales.
> ?
> I have contacted the 'TRA' Workplace,?Vet assess, Department?of
> Education,
> Employment and?Workplace Relations, NSW Vocational Training Tribunal and
> all bodies will not recognise my trade qualification certificate for the
> purpose of working?as a self-employed cabinetmaker.
> Eamon
> Thanks for sending your certificates to me. From these certificates it is
> clear you have successfully completed the apprenticeship in the cabinet
> maker trade. We understand that this National Trade Certificate is
> recognised in Ireland, EU and other countries. As you know from my
> previous email AEI-NOOSR does not assess trade qualifications and thus
> could not assess this qualification. As this is a trade qualification it
> will have to assessed through State authorities or RTOs.
>
> Please let me know if I can be of any other assistance.
>
> Regards
>
> __________________________________________________
>
> --------
> Director
> Educational and Professional Recognition Unit(AEI-NOOSR)
>
>
>
>
Please let me know what every one thinks of this. Thanks Eamon.
The 'trade recognition' situation as per what you read below is reality ..
Attached is a copy of a formal complaint made to DIAC about the information it is giving out. Eamon.
(My recent reply)
Dear ------, I would like to respond and say that I am completely dis-
satisfied with your response. I was assured and informed by your co-worker
(Anne) that the relevent people and policy makers would be informed of the
noted problems.
Your reply seems not to have addressed any of these issue's.
I was also informed that if the information you provide was incorrect then
it should not be on your website.
The information I have provided (below) from the www.immi.gov.au website
which is incorrect has also not been addressed by you.
I feel you have not kept to your Clients Charter of service standard. "We
will provide you with a quality service where we -give you clear, accurate,
timely and relevant information or help you find it"
The information you are providing to thousands of people everyday through
your website is mis-leading and incorrect. It is giving people misguided
hopes and promises. "
'This information should be removed and stated that until correct procedural
information is available, IMMI cannot inform migrants of a pathway."
If you feel that you still cannot address these errors and issue's, you
leave me no alternative but to contact my local member of Parliament, taking
this to another level.
Yours Eamon
--------------------------------------------------
(IMMI reply)
> Dear Mr -----
> Thank you for your query.
>
> As you are aware, skills assessment as part of a General Skilled
> Migration visa application are for migration purposes only. Our website
> and GSM booklet 6 (General Skilled Migration) specifically state that
> you may need to obtain licensing or registration in your occupation
> before you can work in the state or territory where you settle.
>
> Unfortunately I cannot assist you with skills recognition for employment
> / registration purposes as it does not fall within the purview of the
> Department of Immigration and Citizenship.
>
> However please note that the Department is aware of the problems that
> new migrants face with trade licensing and registration. The Council of
> Australian Governments (COAG) has put forward a proposal to develop a
> comprehensive system for recognition of overseas qualifications to
> address this issue.
>
> I hope this information is of assistance.
>
> Regards
>
>
> ----- Skilled Migration
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
(My complaint)
>
> Thank you Anna for speaking to me this morning, details as follows.
> Please accept the 'You' as being the DIAC.
> My position is from a migrant arriving in NSW. I would like a full
> response. Thanking you in advance, Eamon
>
> "I have also received some Ministerial responses to my problem which may
> be forwarded on to you at a later date if requested. Senator Chris Evans,
> Premier Morris Iemma-NSW, Julia Guillard, Judy Forsyte -AQF). These
> responses had no relevant success and that is why I am now making this
> issue a complaint.
>
> My background is that I have been self-employed, running my own
> business as a successful carpenter/builder for over twenty years in
> Europe. I successfully completed my apprenticeship with the Irish
> Department of Education as a cabinetmaker in 1985, updated?this to a
> National Craft Certificate in 2003, (Fetac Level 6).
> With this qualification I have been able to work successfully in Ireland
> and England and have never experienced any difficulties in finding work.
> I applied for a skilled migration visa 175 and in the process had to pay
> for an assessment with the TRA. With this I received a classification
> [4922-11] Cabinetmaker from the Department of employment and workplace
> relations. When I arrived in Australia I followed the due process and
> went
> to the DIAC website to follow up on getting "recognised" in Australia.
>
> DIAC Website.-?In the Cabinetmaking section
> http://minister.immi.gov.au/asri/occ...er-4922-11.htm
>
> In this page you advise people to go to the AQF website.- Incorrect- The
> AQF does not undertake trade qualifications, their website sends you to
> National Office of Overseas Skills Recognition (AEI-NOOSR) website - they
> also do not cover trade qualifications. 'Att. 1'. below.
> You also say for "Trades recognition" to go to
> http://www.workplace.gov.au/workplace/Programmes/TRA. -Incorrect-
On contact with the TRA onshore they will not undertake any trade other than "electrical or metal trades"
> Licensing. - Mis-leading. You inform people in NSW that "There is no
> legal requirement for licensing or registration for this occupation in New
> South Wales".- If I wanted to partake in works over $1000 I would require a license. Therefore I would have to attain a NSW Joinery license to
> practice.
> Additional Training- you advise migrants to go to the Overseas
> Qualification Unit in NSW-
> http://apprenticeship.det.nsw.edu.au...adeskills.htm?. Incorrect
> process. The only recognition for migrants in this department is for a
> 'Craft Certificate'.
>
>I have been informed that a Craft Certificate is un-acceptable by the
> Licensing Department (Office of Fair Trading). (Aus. Cert iii only).
> I have been informed by an assessor of a RTO that a Craft Certificate
> is not a trade qualification and as such has minimal relevance.
> I have been informed by the Vocational Training Tribunal that the
> Craft Certificate will highly likely be removed within the next year.?
>
> In the Carpentry webpage you recommend people to also go to VETASSESS
> http://www.vetassess.com.au/. This department will only undertake
> assessments from overseas and from Victorians.
>
> As you are aware the first point of contact for migration is DIAC and as
> a migrant I have spent thousands of dollars to follow due protocol only
> to
> find myself unable to work in my chosen occupation and unable to earn an
> income for my family. Please be aware I am not an isolated case, this
> problem is generic with migrants in the building industry. There is also
> a
> huge feeling of disillusionment in migrants coming to Australia because
> they are becoming aware of the licensing and RTO problems.
> I have now been forced into paying for an assessment of RPL, recognised
> prior learning by an RTO. This is at an additional cost of $250 and I
> have
> been informed by the assessor that I will have to pay an additional $2250
> or $3500 to have my skills recognised... I have read that policy of? RPL
> is to ensure an applicant should not have to repeat previously learned
> skills.
> The construction industry is facing a difficult time with skilled trades
> people shortages and the government is having to pour funds into creating
> apprenticeships to meet the shortfall. I believe it would it be more
> prudent to enable qualified trades people from abroad get recognition in
> a?swift and less expensive method than the?current process has to offer.
> Migrants are learning that there is no incentive to?reside?in NSW? and
> practice their chosen profession to in order strengthen the construction
> industry.
> This will only happen if the present policy changes. I believe there is
> no
> point implementing an action plan for addressing skills shortages in the
> trades through a national approach to apprenticeships, training and
> skills
> recognition unless recognition is both mutual and unilateral. A concerted
> effort should also be to assist by making the process subsidized or
> fee-free.. There was a review of overseas skills recognition, upgrading
> and
> licensing by a Joint standing Committee on
> Migration.http://www.aph.gov.au/house/committe.../chapter2.htm?.
> I do not believe these recommendations have been fully implemented.
> I also believe that the Office of Fair Trading with its strict
> application of licensing is slowly strangle holding NSW construction
> industry to a point of economic disruption. This in turn will is seeing
> trades people leave their chosen profession for a somewhat less regulated
> occupation.
>
> I have contacted ____(Director)(www.aei-noosr.com.au ) whom
> in turn has?contacted several other bodies?and the outcome concluded is
> that without?additional training?my qualification is not acknowledged in
> New South Wales.
> ?
> I have contacted the 'TRA' Workplace,?Vet assess, Department?of
> Education,
> Employment and?Workplace Relations, NSW Vocational Training Tribunal and
> all bodies will not recognise my trade qualification certificate for the
> purpose of working?as a self-employed cabinetmaker.
> Eamon
> Thanks for sending your certificates to me. From these certificates it is
> clear you have successfully completed the apprenticeship in the cabinet
> maker trade. We understand that this National Trade Certificate is
> recognised in Ireland, EU and other countries. As you know from my
> previous email AEI-NOOSR does not assess trade qualifications and thus
> could not assess this qualification. As this is a trade qualification it
> will have to assessed through State authorities or RTOs.
>
> Please let me know if I can be of any other assistance.
>
> Regards
>
> __________________________________________________
>
> --------
> Director
> Educational and Professional Recognition Unit(AEI-NOOSR)
>
>
>
>
Please let me know what every one thinks of this. Thanks Eamon.
