lidleony

Hello,

I want to ask some questions:

1. If you are working as a bookkeeper....which is more like accounting work....can i claim this work as an accountant and thus satisfy the working experience requirement because accountant is a SOL occupation while bookkkeeper is not.

2. How does the DIMA interpret the SOL of business and information profesionals (2299-79)? What are the duties for this SOL occupation?

3. Is there any website that provide a guidance on what kind of duties for each of the SOL list?

Thanks

ptlabs

1. It's unlikely a bookkeeper will be considered an accountant. I'm no expert on accountant qualifications, so I'll let the accountants on this newsgroup comment.

2. http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/catal...tEntry&Scope=1

3. The Australian Bureau of Statistics website has a text box for you to enter the ASCO code. http://www.abs.gov.au/


Peter

Jaj

If you are working as a bookkeeper then you're not an accountant are
you? The duties for 2299-79 are not specifically identified, but
would be expected to be broadly similar to other degree level
professional positions.

If I recall from previous posts you are trying to get experience as a
graduate assistant counted as 'skilled' - although not impossible it
depends on what you do and you should be prepared for this to be
scrutinised very closely by DIMIA.. If they've any doubt at all, they
will not give you the benefit of it.

Jeremy

    >On Sun, 05 Jan 2003 06:00:12 +0000, lidleony wrote:
    >Hello,
    >I want to ask some questions:
    >1. If you are working as a bookkeeper....which is more like accounting
    > work....can i claim this work as an accountant and thus satisfy the
    > working experience requirement because accountant is a SOL occupation
    > while bookkkeeper is not.
    >2. How does the DIMA interpret the SOL of business and information
    > profesionals (2299-79)? What are the duties for this SOL occupation?
    >3. Is there any website that provide a guidance on what kind of duties
    > for each of the SOL list?
    >Thanks
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This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction

Jaj

PS the ASCO code for bookkeeper is 5911-11 and it is not on the
Skilled Occupations List.

Jeremy

    >On Sun, 05 Jan 2003 07:37:31 GMT, [email protected] (JAJ) wrote:
    >If you are working as a bookkeeper then you're not an accountant are
    >you? The duties for 2299-79 are not specifically identified, but
    >would be expected to be broadly similar to other degree level
    >professional positions.
    >If I recall from previous posts you are trying to get experience as a
    >graduate assistant counted as 'skilled' - although not impossible it
    >depends on what you do and you should be prepared for this to be
    >scrutinised very closely by DIMIA.. If they've any doubt at all, they
    >will not give you the benefit of it.
    >Jeremy
    >>On Sun, 05 Jan 2003 06:00:12 +0000, lidleony wrote:
    >>Hello,
    >>I want to ask some questions:
    >>1. If you are working as a bookkeeper....which is more like accounting
    >> work....can i claim this work as an accountant and thus satisfy the
    >> working experience requirement because accountant is a SOL occupation
    >> while bookkkeeper is not.
    >>2. How does the DIMA interpret the SOL of business and information
    >> profesionals (2299-79)? What are the duties for this SOL occupation?
    >>3. Is there any website that provide a guidance on what kind of duties
    >> for each of the SOL list?
    >>Thanks
    >>--
    >>Posted via http://britishexpats.com
    >This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction

This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction

walaj

There is a whole lot more knowledge an accountant (what ever type) requires, than a bookkeeper. Bookkepping is part of the basic knowledge of any accountant.

The CPAA, ICAA, NIA all require formal qualifications to assess skills as an accountant, and as you describe yourself as a bookkeeper it is likely that you do not have such qualifications and experience that will gain you the points

Balu

hi,

see, if u can get yourself assessed as an Accountant by ICAA/CPAA/NIA
, then u would be considered as accountant otherwise not. you book
keeping experince would be counted as Accountant experince if you r
assessed as such, as most of the so called Accountants so book keeping
only and are migrating to Australia :-))))

So get yourself assessed as an Accountant...and apply under the
category of Accountnat...and get 60 points for skills and additional
5 points for being on MODL !!!

lidleony

woww jeremy, greatt you remember about the graduate assisstant thing!!! cooolllll good memory heheehhee
yeah I am thinking about postponing my migration for another couple of months and in the process of finding a job. i got some offers and the painful fact is that i have to make sure that whatever job i take will be in the SOL list (if this list changed then PFFFFFFFFFFFFF)

When i see the cpa australia website there are many positions as bookkeeper and with a very broad responsibilities indeed. thats when i started to question the difference between bookkeeper and accountant.

i see to the website that peter gave me and the accountant's duties listed in there are sometimes listed as a bookkeeper's duties in many job openings. Thats why I become very careful and want to take the steps very carefully.

as for balu, yes i was assessed by cpa for accountant skill and planning to get the modl. the problem is only when you want to satisfy the 12 months out of 18 months work experience in any SOL occupation. so based on your suggestion, if i got asessed as an accountant by cpa, any bookkeeping experience that i have will be counted as accounting 2211-11 then?

Jaj

You must understand that haveing your experience determined as
'skilled' is based on *both* the duties and the qualifications you
have (s well as the rules about being full time, skilled, and if
obtained in Australia, within the rules of the visa you have and not
on a bridging visa).

To give an example, even with a CPAA assessment, if you work as a taxi
driver you are not employed in a skilled occupation. Also, if you
work as a finance director, but have no degree, then you're not
getting skilled work experience either. You've got to have both. So
if they decide you are working as a book-keeper in terms of duties,
then the experience risks not being counted as skilled.

Jeremy

    >On Sun, 05 Jan 2003 15:27:17 +0000, lidleony wrote:
    >as for balu, yes i was assessed by cpa for accountant skill and
    >planning to get the modl. the problem is only when you want to satisfy
    >the 12 months out of 18 months work experience in any SOL occupation.
    >so based on your suggestion, if i got asessed as an accountant by cpa,
    >any bookkeeping experience that i have will be counted as accounting
    >2211-11 then?
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This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction

lidleony

ok jeremy, how about if you work with the title of bookkeeper, but basically you do the duties of an accountant?
so u get the accounting degree, u are assessed as an accountant, and you are doing the accounting work but your title is only a bookkeeper.
I think its not fair if the DIMA judged the skill only by the title of the work right? (well i know DIMA can do anything that they want, pfffffffff).

Thats the thing that I am concern, I check the ABS website and check the duties of the accountant, but the job openings which contain such duties are for bookkeeper also.

thanks

Jaj

Most people who work as accountants at professional level are not
called bookkeeper. Although technically the duties are important, if
you're called a book-keeper then your experience is going to be
closely scrutinised.

You want me to tell you your work experience is acceptable to DIMIA.
I can't do that, I'm afraid.

Jeremy

    >On Mon, 06 Jan 2003 05:04:04 +0000, lidleony wrote:
    >ok jeremy, how about if you work with the title of bookkeeper, but
    >basically you do the duties of an accountant?
    >so u get the accounting degree, u are assessed as an accountant, and you
    >are doing the accounting work but your title is only a bookkeeper.
    >I think its not fair if the DIMA judged the skill only by the title of
    >the work right? (well i know DIMA can do anything that they want,
    >pfffffffff).
    >Thats the thing that I am concern, I check the ABS website and check the
    >duties of the accountant, but the job openings which contain such duties
    >are for bookkeeper also.
    >thanks
    >--
    >Posted via http://britishexpats.com

This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction