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metter Sep 16th 2003 7:30 pm

English test
 
Hi,
Another question.
I am having my skills assessed by the ANCI and because I trained in the UK do not need an English test. Do my family? We are all native English speakers who have all been educated in the UK at English speaking schools.

Any help would be great - not too keen on paying £75 each for the test if not needed.

Jaj Sep 16th 2003 8:56 pm

Re: English test
 
People from the UK normally do not need to do English testing.
Jeremy

    >On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:30:59 +0000, metter <[email protected]> wrote:
    >Hi,
    >Another question.
    >I am having my skills assessed by the ANCI and because I trained in
    >the UK do not need an English test. Do my family? We are all native
    >English speakers who have all been educated in the UK at English
    >speaking schools.
    >Any help would be great - not too keen on paying £75 each for the test
    >if not needed.
    >--
    >Posted via http://britishexpats.com

This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction

metter Sep 16th 2003 9:34 pm

Re: English test
 
Many thanks Jaj - at least thats £200 that can stay in the bank (for now).

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jaj
People from the UK normally do not need to do English testing.
Jeremy

    >On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:30:59 +0000, metter <[email protected]> wrote:

Hans de Visser Sep 16th 2003 11:00 pm

Re: English test
 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by metter
Many thanks Jaj - at least thats £200 that can stay in the bank (for now).


Originally posted by Jaj
People from the UK normally do not need to do English testing.
Jeremy

    >On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:30:59 +0000, metter <[email protected]> wrote:
Question is: Metter, are you a UK citizen? You say you and your family have been trained and/or schooled in the UK, but you don't say where you're from originally. My point is that there have been cases of people claiming to be native speakers who still had to do the IELTS. This usually concerns people from India.

sunsh Sep 17th 2003 5:38 am

Re: English test
 

Originally posted by Hans de Visser
Question is: Metter, are you a UK citizen? You say you and your family have been trained and/or schooled in the UK, but you don't say where you're from originally. My point is that there have been cases of people claiming to be native speakers who still had to do the IELTS. This usually concerns people from India.
Agree with you Hans. Unless the original poster is a UK citizen, there are high chances that IELTS would be necesary. Living in UK may not be sufficient.

oozie04 Sep 17th 2003 6:03 am

Hello,


Just got call from British Council that my results of IELTS are ready. Pls wish me luck that I at least secure 5 band on all the four modules.

Regards

Ozzie04

Humphrey Davy Sep 17th 2003 6:12 am

Re: English test
 
    > Question is: Metter, are you a UK citizen? You say you and your family
    > have been trained and/or schooled in the UK, but you don't say where
    > you're from originally. My point is that there have been cases of people
    > claiming to be native speakers who still had to do the IELTS. This
    > usually concerns people from India.


That may be so. In our case, I am not a British citizen, but lived in the UK
for a long period before applying. I am a native speaker, but my wife is
not.

They did not ask for the IELTS for my wife. Perhaps it helped that she had a
diploma from an english speaking college...

metter Sep 17th 2003 6:14 am

Re: English test
 
Sorry did not think my post through. Yes I am a UK citizen as are my family. Many thanks


Originally posted by Hans de Visser
Question is: Metter, are you a UK citizen? You say you and your family have been trained and/or schooled in the UK, but you don't say where you're from originally. My point is that there have been cases of people claiming to be native speakers who still had to do the IELTS. This usually concerns people from India.

ptlabs Sep 17th 2003 6:48 am

Re: English test
 

Originally posted by Humphrey Davy
    > Question is: Metter, are you a UK citizen? You say you and your family
    > have been trained and/or schooled in the UK, but you don't say where
    > you're from originally. My point is that there have been cases of people
    > claiming to be native speakers who still had to do the IELTS. This
    > usually concerns people from India.


That may be so. In our case, I am not a British citizen, but lived in the UK for a long period before applying. I am a native speaker, but my wife is not.

They did not ask for the IELTS for my wife. Perhaps it helped that she had a diploma from an english speaking college...
Humphrey,

English proficiency points are awarded based on a set of guidelines added with quite a bit of discretion on the part of the case officer when one does not have an IELTS score.

In general, it's easier to define who is *not* a native speaker. In this case, this wipes out almost all persons not from the UK, USA, Canada (perhaps English Canada!), Australia, NZ. People from South Africa and Singapore are usually exempt from IELTS based on anecdoctal evidence, while people from India, Bangladesh, Pakistan and China are almost certainly asked for their IELTS scores.

Peter

Nemo Sep 17th 2003 7:39 am

Re: English test
 
"metter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Many thanks Jaj - at least thats £200 that can stay in the bank
    > (for now).

Hmmm, bad news for the australian migration industry.

    > Originally posted by Jaj
    > > People from the UK normally do not need to do English testing.
    > > Jeremy
    > >
    > > >On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 19:30:59 +0000, metter
    > > <[email protected]> wrote:
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com

Jaj Sep 18th 2003 8:11 pm

Re: English test
 
What country are you a citizen of, if you don't mind me asking?
And is your wife a British citizen?

Jeremy

    >On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:12:53 +1000, "Humphrey Davy" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >That may be so. In our case, I am not a British citizen, but lived in the UK
    >for a long period before applying. I am a native speaker, but my wife is
    >not.
    >They did not ask for the IELTS for my wife. Perhaps it helped that she had a
    >diploma from an english speaking college...

This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction

metter Sep 18th 2003 9:01 pm

Re: English test
 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jaj
What country are you a citizen of, if you don't mind me asking?
And is your wife a British citizen?

Jeremy

We are all English citizens Jeremy. Seems that we won't need an English test.

Jaj Sep 19th 2003 12:21 pm

Re: English test
 
Hi Metter
You may be English, but there's no such thing as an English citizen.
If you look at your passport it should say 'British citizen' :)

One of the privileges of being British is that you are normally
assumed to be fluent in English, unless there's evidence to the
contrary.

Jeremy

    >On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:01:00 +0000, metter <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> We are all English citizens Jeremy. Seems that we won't need an
    >> English test.
    >--
    >Posted via http://britishexpats.com

This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction

amaslam Sep 21st 2003 7:16 am

Re: English test
 
Hi:

I've got one for you then:

I'm Pakistan born but grew up in USA (all schooling from age 6 onwards through Graduate school). I am a US citizen as well (Dual citizen). I've lived in US for all of my life from age 6 onwards and am a native level speaker/writer (actually score in top 10% in most language tests).

Will I have to take the IELTS test?


Originally posted by ptlabs
Humphrey,

English proficiency points are awarded based on a set of guidelines added with quite a bit of discretion on the part of the case officer when one does not have an IELTS score.

In general, it's easier to define who is *not* a native speaker. In this case, this wipes out almost all persons not from the UK, USA, Canada (perhaps English Canada!), Australia, NZ. People from South Africa and Singapore are usually exempt from IELTS based on anecdoctal evidence, while people from India, Bangladesh, Pakistan and China are almost certainly asked for their IELTS scores.

Peter

Jaj Sep 21st 2003 7:16 pm

Re: English test
 
If you apply as a US citizen (although you need to mention your second
nationality on the form 47SK if it has not been revoked) and show an
educational and work history background for most of your life in the
US, then it's less likely you'll be asked for IELTS. But it really
depends on your case officer. In your covering letter point out you
are a native speaker of English.

Jeremy

    >On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 07:16:25 +0000, amaslam <[email protected]> wrote:
    >Hi:
    >I've got one for you then:
    >I'm Pakistan born but grew up in USA (all schooling from age 6 onwards
    >through Graduate school). I am a US citizen as well (Dual citizen). I've
    >lived in US for all of my life from age 6 onwards and am a native level
    >speaker/writer (actually score in top 10% in most language tests).
    >Will I have to take the IELTS test?

This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction


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