DaechiDragon's Aussie questions

Old Jul 18th 2019, 9:52 am
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Update - as you replied while I was posting my response.

It seems at present you are not eligible for either Canada or Australia.

65 points is not the minimum to get a visa for Australia. It is the minimum needed to get into the pool. In the last invitation round - 85 points (not 65) were needed to get a visa invitation. So you are a ways away.

https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visa...itation-rounds

The number of points needed does vary from round to round; however, nobody with less than 70 points this year has gotten an invitation, and only a small number of people have gotten invitations on 70 points. In recent months, at least 80 have been needed.

Others have covered Canada and it seems you are a ways away from what is needed there too.
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So it seems, as I said in the last post, your choices right now are UK vs ROK. It does not look like you are in a position for Canada or Australia.

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Default Re: Are Canadians really that hard to get close to?

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After re-checking some other sites, and another calculator, I could get as many as 75 points for the subclass 190 (state nomination) and If I select that my partner can pass a skills test (but I don't fully know what that means at this point). As sad as I am, I don't want to fully give up just yet.

We're not really into Ireland (the UK would be better). NZ is a potential option.

In order to live in Korea indefinitely we'd absolutely have to have our own business (unless I can pull off working remotely as a programmer) in order to make life more tolerable. And that still means our future kids are gonna have a rough time and might in many ways may be unskilled in going into the future due to the Korean education system (I know that sounds horrible but I know a lot of Koreans would back me up too). Korea is a great country and it's very safe, rich and modern, but many people want to escape for a good reason. My girlfriend is not interested in other Asian countries, even though I'd be ok with Hong Kong/Singapore.

I feel bad because when I met her, she was preparing to leave Korea. Like I said, she has the money to do so and can simply enroll in university, but I can't. I have been holding her back and she changed her plans to remain with me. I was not in a position to leave previously. Even when we are married I wouldn't feel comfortable asking her to help pay for me to study so we could both leave together. If Bitcoin manages to skyrocket again, I guess I can afford to go to university in Australia for a whole bunch of points, but I'm not relying on that.
OK . . . but the points shouldn't change depending on the calculator and that makes me a bit nervous.

If you are serious you need to contact a qualified MARA-registered migration agent in Australia. Go through the threads in the Australia forum and several are recommended.

Your profession needs to be on the shortage list (find the ANZSCO code and read the descriptions there - that determines if it is your profession, not the job title) and you need to be able to get a positive skills assessment in it. That is a requirement to be able to submit an Expression of Interest to get into the pool. The skills assessment is not a formality and I would strongly advise you to hire a MARA-registered agent familiar with the skills assessment portion, particularly if your partner will need to go through it as well.

You both also need to book an IELTS exam, which you will need to claim language points, before the Expression of Interest. Despite being British you cannot claim language points without the exam.

If your profession is on the shortage list, you have a positive skills assessment, and you have done your language exam, at that point you can submit the Expression of Interest and hope that EoIs on your points total get drawn.

At 75 points I would expect the wheel would eventually turn that way at some point, but you will be in for a long wait. The tie-breaker among all those on 75 points, is who submitted the earliest.

Note that if your Expression of Interest gets drawn, you are asked to prove all of your points claims, and if you were overclaiming points to get drawn from the pool that leads to automatic rejection.



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Old Jul 18th 2019, 2:00 pm
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Default Re: Are Canadians really that hard to get close to?

Here is where you start.

To be clear: It is not an open system where anyone can apply. Your profession has to be on this list matched to the right visa you want to apply for. If it isn't, you can't apply, and the skills assessment etc don't matter.

https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visa...ccupation-list

For 189 (skilled independent) and 190 (state-sponsored), in IT, I am seeing ICT Business Analyst and ICT Security Specialist. But I didn't look very hard, and you will need to look up the ANZSCO code descriptions to see if you fit.

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Plugging what you have written into the Points Calculator, I have you on 70 points, if your Information Systems degree matches up with something on the occupational shortage list. 75 points if your partner can also pass a skills assessment in something on the occupational shortage list.

I said previously that people sometimes do get drawn on 70 points though can be in for a long wait.

Therefore, there maybe is a possibility and chop chop. If you really do want Australia I think you need to get on the phone to a qualified migration agent right away - as in next week - to discuss a visa strategy before you turn 33 and potentially go down to 65 points, which will close the door. If you get drawn from the pool when you are 32, the clock stops, and you don't lose points when you turn 33 if your visa is in the application stage. Go to the Australia forum and look through the threads to see which agents are recommended.

I do in your case recommend an agent because this is all quite new to you, the terminology is all quite new to you, and I think you need someone who has gone through hundreds of these to shepherd you through rather than just relying on the forum. Particularly as in your case I am not sure where you fit in with the skills assessment, and if you do not get a positive result on that, it is game over regardless of how many points you would otherwise have.

Migration costs money, and a lot of it. That's just the way it is. What you will spend on a migration agent is a fraction of what the cost of the total move will be, to either Australia or Canada.

Good luck.

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Default Re: Are Canadians really that hard to get close to?

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Plugging what you have written into the Points Calculator, I have you on 70 points, if your Information Systems degree matches up with something on the occupational shortage list. 75 points if your partner can also pass a skills assessment in something on the occupational shortage list.

I said previously that people sometimes do get drawn on 70 points though can be in for a long wait.

Therefore, there maybe is a possibility and chop chop. If you really do want Australia I think you need to get on the phone to a qualified migration agent right away - as in next week - to discuss a visa strategy before you turn 33 and potentially go down to 65 points, which will close the door. If you get drawn from the pool when you are 32, the clock stops, and you don't lose points when you turn 33 if your visa is in the application stage. Go to the Australia forum and look through the threads to see which agents are recommended.

I do in your case recommend an agent because this is all quite new to you, the terminology is all quite new to you, and I think you need someone who has gone through hundreds of these to shepherd you through rather than just relying on the forum. Particularly as in your case I am not sure where you fit in with the skills assessment, and if you do not get a positive result on that, it is game over regardless of how many points you would otherwise have.

Migration costs money, and a lot of it. That's just the way it is. What you will spend on a migration agent is a fraction of what the cost of the total move will be, to either Australia or Canada.

Good luck.
Ah yes I forgot to address your earlier question of fluctuating points. I had tried a few different options in the calculator. Anyway, you have gone and done that for me - thank you.
1) When you entered my data, did you also select nomination from a state? I would be willing to do that and live in a place that might not be my favorite, for 2 years, to increase my chances of a permanent work visa.
2) I turn 33 on January 10th 2020 - not sure if that's enough time. My partner and I would also have to prep for IELTS etc before we apply. I can probably wing it for a high score but she needs prep.
3) With time being important, I can appreciate what you say about a migration agent.
4) In regards to skills assessment, I haven't looked into that deeply and now it's time to do that. I don't know how either I or my partner would do on that. My partner is not actually sure exactly what she wants to do in Aus (she's not that fussy) but was planning on actually going to a university or vocational college (and consequently getting a student visa) to learn a skill that's in demand (like maybe being a carer - she expressed interest in doing tiling). Because of this, we were initially planning on applying separately. I did get some advice somewhere that she could apply to be a student and I could move over and try and find work as a partner, but that would close my PR window as a 32 year old.
5) I was thinking that if I apply now, it'll take some time to possibly get the visa, then once it arrives I still have about a year until I have to be in Aus, so this could give me 12-16 months to save money purely for the move. And in Korea is a great country for saving, and if you hustle you can really make a lot of money. Unfortunately I need programming time, but I could still save a lot.

What are your thoughts on points 1, 2 & 4?

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That was for the 190 (state sponsored), yes.

The skills assessment is for your nominated occupation. You cannot apply for skilled migration unless your occupation is on that list, which I linked to in a previous post. So, you nominate an occupation - which for you would be one of the IT ones on there. Then you send your documents away to an assessing agency - there is a specific one for the occupation - and they determine if you really are suitable to do that profession. So, migration to Australia on a skilled visa is not open to anyone, just people in certain professions.

There are different assessing agencies for different professions, and they have different requirements.

So for example if you choose hairdresser, you would need to prove you actually are a qualified hairdresser by turning over your qualifications, training documents, and possibly work experience documentation as well etc before you are allowed to submit an Expression of Interest. That stops a bunch of people from claiming that they are hairdressers just so they can migrate, and stops people who aren't actually trained as hairdressers from coming in under that pathway. Your positive skills assessment needs to be included in your Expression of Interest.

For IT, the ones I saw on the list were ICT Business Analyst and ICT Security Specialist.

So you have to see if your IT qualifications etc match up with either of those two, and if so, send off to the assessor. If they don't, then it is game over for the 189 and 190. Points totals are irrelevant at that point and it doesn't matter if you would have had 100 points otherwise. Before you get excited: Your qualification, and those specified for the professions on the list, need to be a close match.

The skills assessment is not a formality, and is very high-stakes, which is why I recommend that people not familiar with these processes use an agent.

This is what my references to teaching and hagwons was about earlier, "secondary school teacher" is on the occupation list, but a formal qualification in teaching is needed to pass the skills assessment, and working in hagwons is not accepted as relevant or closely related work experience. Someone can't just say "look I have a CELTA and I've taught teenagers in a hagwon" and get a positive skills assessment for the secondary school teacher occupation.

The skills assessment also can take a few months, gathering the required documents also takes time, and IELTS bookings usually are a month or two or three out. With your birthday coming up, I think you need to establish very quickly if you are, actually, eligible to apply or not. If you are, the paperwork needs to start quickly. If not, on to Plan B.

An agent can also advise of other possibilities out there for you, for Plan B, if the 189/190 is not doable.
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