Complaint at Feedback Page
#76
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Re: Complaint at Feedback Page
friend,my 2 cents.. dont plan your life,marriage etc around the visa until you get it.. its when you do this that you start getting frustrated.. as everybody has mentioned, I dont think there is any point in a few people raising complaints against DIAC because for them the priority is Australia, ensuring that only genuine candidates are granted visas and security... but at the end of the day, its your life, your decision to complain or not..
#77
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Re: Complaint at Feedback Page
Typical hillbilly attitude. How about sorry, we are going to sack the incompetent individual(s) and ensure we get it done as soon as possible ?
#78
Re: Complaint at Feedback Page
The OP just wants a decision. What incompetent individual(s) do you propose are sacked? Case officers? ASIO officers? Pakistan's security agency officers?
#81
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Re: Complaint at Feedback Page
As I have said previously, there have been many occasions over the years when UK subjects have applied for Australian Visas and have waited far longer than those subjects from HR countries. The waiting attitude has been totally different. It's a fact. Nothing racist, nothing judgemental, nothing but fact.
With respect, the only people bemoaning the administrative inefficiencies are those from the HR countries towards the Australian Government. I'm talking about this Forum by the way, not what you see in your particular world.
For some reason, some HR applicants (and it's by no means all) appear to consider that they have a right to have DIAC give them time and date as to when they WILL get their visa. They have no such right. DIAC are not causing the delays, the countries from which they request information are causing the delays. Whether you consider my comments to be judgemental, racist, out of line is irrelevant. They are facts, as born out from years of reading discussion boards, articles by highly qualified Agents etc.
What many people fail to realise is that Governments don't actually care about individuals. If a department of a country's governement gets a request for information about an individual, they will get to it as and when they want, they have no agenda, no reason to hurry, they don't think 'oh this person is desperate to get to Australia, let's make it as easy as possible'. It goes on a pile with many many others and will be dealt with as and when.
Going back to the OP, complaining to DIAC about perceived racism and the inability to act on a particular application immediately is pointless. There are too many different countries/departments/humans involved in each particular application procedure. It's simply not viable.
With respect, the only people bemoaning the administrative inefficiencies are those from the HR countries towards the Australian Government. I'm talking about this Forum by the way, not what you see in your particular world.
For some reason, some HR applicants (and it's by no means all) appear to consider that they have a right to have DIAC give them time and date as to when they WILL get their visa. They have no such right. DIAC are not causing the delays, the countries from which they request information are causing the delays. Whether you consider my comments to be judgemental, racist, out of line is irrelevant. They are facts, as born out from years of reading discussion boards, articles by highly qualified Agents etc.
What many people fail to realise is that Governments don't actually care about individuals. If a department of a country's governement gets a request for information about an individual, they will get to it as and when they want, they have no agenda, no reason to hurry, they don't think 'oh this person is desperate to get to Australia, let's make it as easy as possible'. It goes on a pile with many many others and will be dealt with as and when.
Going back to the OP, complaining to DIAC about perceived racism and the inability to act on a particular application immediately is pointless. There are too many different countries/departments/humans involved in each particular application procedure. It's simply not viable.
I am not surprised the HR applicants are having a go at the administrative inefficiencies they see. If Australia wants to trade on its reputation abroad, that of a highly-developed, friendly nation, and wants to attract the brightest and the best from around the world, it should do rather more with its PR - administrative efficiency is a very important part of the equation. Let's be honest, public sector workers in most western countries are as thick as two short planks and lazy as hell, that's why the private sector doesn't want them - it's just a result of the Keynesian/Socialist mindset that has sucked many in those countries into believing that the government should pay them for doing nothing and adds no more to productivity than paying them unemployment benefits instead. HR applicants cannot understand why things take so long because they don't know how thick and lazy administration staff in developed countries are because their own public sectors are relatively small.
I don't see anybody expecting DIAC to give them a time and date as to when they will get their visa, I see them as expecting DIAC to stick to their own timelines in their service charters. If they can't stick to them, they shouldn't raise expectations by publishing them in the public arena in the first place. It would appear that it may not even be the countries of origin that are causing delays. As discussed earlier in the thread, it appears more to do with ASIO.
As you rightly note governments, or rather their employees, do not care about individuals, but it is the job of governments to ensure that they do their job in the interests of the nation and that includes good PR. As I mentioned, it has more to do with the kind of person that works in an administrative capacity in the public sector.
Just as a matter of interest, why should a security check take months, shouldn't it take hours ? I mean if someone was a threat, wouldn't all the security agencies around the world know, don't they have databases, and why would such individuals be roaming the streets for months undetected, it hardly makes on feel safe does it ?
I don't think anybody mentioned racism as a factor with reference to the Australian migration process, although I have my suspicions about certain people on this forum, but if timelines are bordering on taking the mick, that is an issue. You mention racism far too many times, there's no need to be so defensive.
#83
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Re: Complaint at Feedback Page
I don't think anybody mentioned racism as a factor with reference to the Australian migration process, although I have my suspicions about certain people on this forum, but if timelines are bordering on taking the mick, that is an issue. You mention racism far too many times, there's no need to be so defensive.
#85
Re: Complaint at Feedback Page
I wasn't referring to "over the years", I was referring to recent times since the introduction of the CSL and associated priority processing arrangements which you would have known about had you read my posts properly - you criticise the HR applicants yet your comprehension skills in your own language leave much to be desired. I have been on beupdate and have not seen any CSL applications taking more than 12 months for the UK, for example. The waiting times for HR applicants have almost always exceeded the 12 months timeline stated by ASPC at the time, it's a fact. If you want to compare attitudes, let's put everyone on a level playing field and then pass judgement.
I am not surprised the HR applicants are having a go at the administrative inefficiencies they see. If Australia wants to trade on its reputation abroad, that of a highly-developed, friendly nation, and wants to attract the brightest and the best from around the world, it should do rather more with its PR - administrative efficiency is a very important part of the equation. Let's be honest, public sector workers in most western countries are as thick as two short planks and lazy as hell, that's why the private sector doesn't want them - it's just a result of the Keynesian/Socialist mindset that has sucked many in those countries into believing that the government should pay them for doing nothing and adds no more to productivity than paying them unemployment benefits instead. HR applicants cannot understand why things take so long because they don't know how thick and lazy administration staff in developed countries are because their own public sectors are relatively small.
I don't see anybody expecting DIAC to give them a time and date as to when they will get their visa, I see them as expecting DIAC to stick to their own timelines in their service charters. If they can't stick to them, they shouldn't raise expectations by publishing them in the public arena in the first place. It would appear that it may not even be the countries of origin that are causing delays. As discussed earlier in the thread, it appears more to do with ASIO.
As you rightly note governments, or rather their employees, do not care about individuals, but it is the job of governments to ensure that they do their job in the interests of the nation and that includes good PR. As I mentioned, it has more to do with the kind of person that works in an administrative capacity in the public sector.
Just as a matter of interest, why should a security check take months, shouldn't it take hours ? I mean if someone was a threat, wouldn't all the security agencies around the world know, don't they have databases, and why would such individuals be roaming the streets for months undetected, it hardly makes on feel safe does it ?
I don't think anybody mentioned racism as a factor with reference to the Australian migration process, although I have my suspicions about certain people on this forum, but if timelines are bordering on taking the mick, that is an issue. You mention racism far too many times, there's no need to be so defensive.
I am not surprised the HR applicants are having a go at the administrative inefficiencies they see. If Australia wants to trade on its reputation abroad, that of a highly-developed, friendly nation, and wants to attract the brightest and the best from around the world, it should do rather more with its PR - administrative efficiency is a very important part of the equation. Let's be honest, public sector workers in most western countries are as thick as two short planks and lazy as hell, that's why the private sector doesn't want them - it's just a result of the Keynesian/Socialist mindset that has sucked many in those countries into believing that the government should pay them for doing nothing and adds no more to productivity than paying them unemployment benefits instead. HR applicants cannot understand why things take so long because they don't know how thick and lazy administration staff in developed countries are because their own public sectors are relatively small.
I don't see anybody expecting DIAC to give them a time and date as to when they will get their visa, I see them as expecting DIAC to stick to their own timelines in their service charters. If they can't stick to them, they shouldn't raise expectations by publishing them in the public arena in the first place. It would appear that it may not even be the countries of origin that are causing delays. As discussed earlier in the thread, it appears more to do with ASIO.
As you rightly note governments, or rather their employees, do not care about individuals, but it is the job of governments to ensure that they do their job in the interests of the nation and that includes good PR. As I mentioned, it has more to do with the kind of person that works in an administrative capacity in the public sector.
Just as a matter of interest, why should a security check take months, shouldn't it take hours ? I mean if someone was a threat, wouldn't all the security agencies around the world know, don't they have databases, and why would such individuals be roaming the streets for months undetected, it hardly makes on feel safe does it ?
I don't think anybody mentioned racism as a factor with reference to the Australian migration process, although I have my suspicions about certain people on this forum, but if timelines are bordering on taking the mick, that is an issue. You mention racism far too many times, there's no need to be so defensive.
We don't make the rules on BE, but generally speaking I think it is reasonable of the Australian government to take more time checking out applicants they consider to be high risk. I don't think that makes me racist. In fact, as I am not racist, I could take offense at your posts, if only they were not so pathetic. You seem to be making a big effort to try and come across as intelligent but I can only tell you it is failing dismally. I expect you will tell me to "read your posts properly now" as a deflection, is that the best you can do. Pea brain.
#86
Re: Complaint at Feedback Page
I was just wondering whether other countries like Canada do not have the security check before issuing visa? and if it is there how are they able to finalize the application (grant visa) within in a specific time? Do they have efficient staff, procedure, better relations with other countries' security agencies or they just do not care of security checks?
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Last edited by asifrupani; Sep 18th 2010 at 7:12 am.
#87
Re: Complaint at Feedback Page
I was just wondering whether other countries like Canada do not have the security check before issuing visa? and if it is there how are they able to finalize the application (grant visa) within s promised time? Do they have efficient staff, procedure, better relations with other countries' security agencies or they just do not care of security checks?
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And as a dual citizen of Canada and Australia I'm glad that both countries do such stringent security checks on potential migrants.
#88
Re: Complaint at Feedback Page
@DOROTHY:But FSW category applicants are being granted with in 9-12 months, am I right?
Last edited by asifrupani; Sep 18th 2010 at 9:15 am.
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