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Old Jun 6th 2003, 11:58 am
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Hi,

I am applying for RPL Assessment , have 7+ experience in IT(Web Related skills), a degree in Electronics Engg.

Was wondering if someone would like to share tips or his/her rpl form for me as a sample to proceed before I dash my application to ACS.

It looks like a never-ending form. They want the Resume and Skillset matching paras and RPL Project Reports...most of will will overlapp i guess.


Any comments/suggestions will be appreciated.

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Old Jun 6th 2003, 4:02 pm
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    > I am applying for RPL Assessment , have 7+ experience in IT(Web Related
    > skills), a degree in Electronics Engg.
    >
    > Was wondering if someone would like to share tips or his/her rpl form
    > for me as a sample to proceed before I dash my application to ACS.
    >
    > It looks like a never-ending form. They want the Resume and
    > Skillset matching paras and RPL Project Reports...most of will
    > will overlapp i guess.

Hi,

Now that I know that my RPL has been accepted and approved, I feel a bit
more comfortable to outline what I did and how it varied from the standard
"fill out the forms" approach. It worked very well for me, in the end, but
YMMV.

The origin of my approach came from my taking adult college classes which
themselves gave credit based on an RPL evaluation. In each class you wrote
an essay in which you described how you learned about the subject at hand
in your life and career. The school I went to used a specific methodology,
called the Kolb model for adult learning. This model emphasizes the
learning experience and not simply knowledge. Which, if you read the ACS
instructions is *exactly* what they want.

Using that as basis, I treated my ACS RPL as just another college level
class that outlines my learning process. That means I wrote an essay
describing my professional career, while employing the Kolb model that I
had learned to write in.

To make a long procedure short, simply by writing the way I wrote in those
classes, except telling my professional IT career, I almost automatically
arrived at an outline of my *learning*, as opposed to the "this is what I
did" or "this is what I know" story. Which, if you think about it, would be
nothing but a CV or resume - and that they already request as supporting
documentation anyway.

I found it easier to simply ignore the forms and write a free-form essay,
as that way my thoughts flowed more freely and I had more control over
form, style and detail. In the forms I merely wrote references to the essay
and they were mostly filled out by our agent.

To make sure I hit all the necessary areas of the Core Book of Knowledge, I
made sure that each major section of the essay (a chapter, if you will) was
followed by a simple line that stated something like "CBOK areas 5, 7, 8"
as a footnote.

This approach may not work for everybody - without having taken classes in
writing according to the Kolb model, I could not have done it. If somebody
is actually interest in giving it a try, I can send them a little "cheat
sheet" that I used extensively. All it does it offer a collection of action
verbs, which are synonyms for learning experiences and approaches. That's
so you dont have to constantly say "I learned this" and "I learned that".

But, with time critical and no room for failure, I now am glad for every
minute of effort I put into that 25 page "epic". For some it may be *way*
over the top in what they need to produce.

But again, it worked well for me.

Cheers
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Old Jun 6th 2003, 8:43 pm
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Originally posted by Michael Hoffman
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But, with time critical and no room for failure, I now am glad for every
minute of effort I put into that 25 page "epic". For some it may be *way*
over the top in what they need to produce.

But again, it worked well for me.
Well, mine was not as time crtical as yours, but I also did my own seperate document/essay covering the CBOK, and also ended up in the region of 20-25 pages, not counting other various supporting documents I wrote, such as a standard short CV, and a long-form of my CV which went into a lot more detail.... it worked for me too

I also made sure to extract any lessons learnt from my experience, not only highlighting that I had learned what was required in the CBOK.
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Old Jun 7th 2003, 2:52 am
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    > Well, mine was not as time crtical as yours, but I also did my own
    > seperate document/essay covering the CBOK, and also ended up in the
    > region of 20-25 pages, not counting other various supporting documents I
    > wrote, such as a standard short CV, and a long-form of my CV which went
    > into a lot more detail.... it worked for me too

Glad to see I wasn't the only one who used that approach and for whom it
paid off. The complete package was huge (15 years of supporting docs, a
fair number of them with translations - FedEx loves me), maybe I was hoping
to overwhelm the ACS by sheer volume.

Baloo, did you use a CV because that's more common anyway where you
currently live, or did you convert your resume to CV? I'm asking because,
living in the US, I used my resume. Now that I know things will move
forward, I am starting to think about adjusting the US format resume to the
Australian CV, so wanted to ask whether you converted and what you used to
do so (books, websites, friends)? I wasn't even aware that there is a long
and short form!

Cheers
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Old Jun 8th 2003, 8:43 pm
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Originally posted by Michael Hoffman
.................... If somebody
is actually interest in giving it a try, I can send them a little "cheat
sheet" that I used extensively. All it does it offer a collection of action
verbs, which are synonyms for learning experiences and approaches. That's
so you dont have to constantly say "I learned this" and "I learned that".

But, with time critical and no room for failure, I now am glad for every
minute of effort I put into that 25 page "epic". For some it may be *way*
over the top in what they need to produce.

But again, it worked well for me.

Cheers
Mike
Mike - I would be very interested in your "cheat sheet". I cannot find an email address here to reply to you, but if you could send to me at *SPAM*[email protected]
(Remove the *SPAM* bit!)
Thanks Jay..
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Old Jun 8th 2003, 10:41 pm
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Originally posted by Michael Hoffman
... maybe I was hoping
to overwhelm the ACS by sheer volume.
LOL
When I packaged mine up & I realised just how much documentation I had, I really did feel sorry for the person who was going to have to wade through it all. It also felt like I had repeated myself so many times in different sections that my head was spinning every time I tried to proof-read it....

Baloo, did you use a CV because that's more common anyway where you
currently live, or did you convert your resume to CV? I'm asking because,
living in the US, I used my resume. Now that I know things will move
forward, I am starting to think about adjusting the US format resume to the
Australian CV, so wanted to ask whether you converted and what you used to
do so (books, websites, friends)? I wasn't even aware that there is a long
and short form!

Cheers
Mike
Well, here's where I need some more help from you, because it really depends what yo mean by 'CV' and 'Resume'. It seems that in some places the terms are interchangeable, and in others they have different meaning to what you may believe.

I have a 'CV'. It's 2 pages (at most), and is what is required here in the UK. I used to have one that was about 6 to 8 pages, detailing (briefly, but with some detail) my work & educational history. That doesn't work too well here (UK), and the 2 page version is what is required. It's a challenging task in itself to condense everything into those 2 short pages, I must say.

I took an updated version of the 2 page CV, and an updated version of the 6-8 page CV, and included that in the application. I then took the 6-8 page one, and expanded it into a 'long-form' CV, that included a lot more detail on each project I worked on, each company I worked for & responsibilities in each role I held. I didn't consult any sites or books for format, I simply included information that I felt would be relevant for the application ie. highlighted what I felt they should know about each job.
I wouldn't expect to use this long-form CV for job hunting, and would probably start off with the 2 page CV in Australia. Closer to the time, I will probably be speaking to family & friends who have worked/are working in Australia for their input on appropriate format & style for an Australian CV.

Sorry, I don't think this helped much....
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Old Jun 9th 2003, 2:34 am
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    > Mike - I would be very interested in your "cheat sheet". I cannot find
    > an email address here to reply to you, but if you could send to me at
    > *SPAM*[email protected]

Jay,

Sure, I'll send it to you. I may not be what you expect - it is a pure
pollection of action terms and verbs related to adult learning processes.

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Old Jun 9th 2003, 2:46 am
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    > When I packaged mine up & I realised just how much documentation I had,
    > I really did feel sorry for the person who was going to have to wade
    > through it all. It also felt like I had repeated myself so many times in
    > different sections that my head was spinning every time I tried to
    > proof-read it....

I had my wife *and* our agent proof-read it. And when I recently re-read
it, I was appalled as to how many grammatical errors slipped through.

It sure is eye-glazing...

    > Well, here's where I need some more help from you, because it really
    > depends what yo mean by 'CV' and 'Resume'. It seems that in some places
    > the terms are interchangeable, and in others they have different meaning
    > to what you may believe.

It seems that they are indeed merging over time. Increasingly it's more
that a US style resume has items that *must not* be included, such as age,
race, marital status. If you want to make a US HR department wince, add
things like: age 45, married, caucasian.

Also, in the US a resume is considered too lengthy at more than 2 pages.
From the CV sites I've looked at so far, it seems that 3-4 pages is
appropriate.

A CV has more detail. A resume should have the skills (in technical
resumes, such as for IT positions) on the first page to be easily and
quickly scannable by an HR person or a prospective boss.

    > I have a 'CV'. It's 2 pages (at most), and is what is required here in
    > the UK. I used to have one that was about 6 to 8 pages, detailing
    > (briefly, but with some detail) my work & educational history. That
    > doesn't work too well here (UK), and the 2 page version is what is
    > required. It's a challenging task in itself to condense everything into
    > those 2 short pages, I must say.

Very interesting. So, the tendency is the same as in the US then? I read
somewhere that the average resume is scanned for 45 seconds by a
prospective hirer. If you can't get your info through in that time, it's
big round filer.

    > I wouldn't expect to use this long-form CV for job hunting, and would
    > probably start off with the 2 page CV in Australia. Closer to the time,
    > I will probably be speaking to family & friends who have worked/are
    > working in Australia for their input on appropriate format & style for
    > an Australian CV.
    >
    > Sorry, I don't think this helped much....

No, quite the opposite. If others corroborate this, it's the confirmation
that not just in the US, but in the UK - and Australia as well - the trend
is going towards quickly scannable short "resume" style CVs.

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Originally posted by Michael Hoffman
A CV has more detail. A resume should have the skills (in technical
resumes, such as for IT positions) on the first page to be easily and
quickly scannable by an HR person or a prospective boss.
Right, well then your Resume is what I mean by CV (although I differentiate by using 'short form' or 'long form').

Very interesting. So, the tendency is the same as in the US then? I read
somewhere that the average resume is scanned for 45 seconds by a
prospective hirer. If you can't get your info through in that time, it's
big round filer.
My husband has assisted his manager on occasion to go through CVs when hiring - he says the CVs get maximum 15 seconds in which to make an impression or get binned. If it makes any sort of impression, it goes into another pile for 're-scanning' in which time everything must be easily readable on those 2 pages. Any sort of problem (eg. too small font) that makes it difficult, and it gets binned.....

No, quite the opposite. If others corroborate this, it's the confirmation
that not just in the US, but in the UK - and Australia as well - the trend
is going towards quickly scannable short "resume" style CVs.

Mike
Yes, I'd be interested to hear what the trend is in Australia too. Although I don't need to know immediately, it'll be useful information for if/when it comes time to make the move across.

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the last 24 hours done various mail shots to both IT companies and IT recruitment consultancies, all bar one (out of 54) came back and said could I do a longer Oz/Nz style resume, mine is currently 2 pages in length.

(was not actually looking for a job, more looking to get my name known & also get some names to email & ask questions of! The beginnings of networking so to speak).

I was advised by a number of the companies that they require a more detailed approach (upto around 8 or 9 pages).



Hmmmmmm interesting.

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    > Right, well then your Resume is what I mean by CV (although I
    > differentiate by using 'short form' or 'long form').

Good to know. Filed in memory for future use. Thanks!

    > My husband has assisted his manager on occasion to go through CVs when
    > hiring - he says the CVs get maximum 15 seconds in which to make an
    > impression or get binned. If it makes any sort of impression, it goes
    > into another pile for 're-scanning' in which time everything must be
    > easily readable on those 2 pages. Any sort of problem (eg. too small
    > font) that makes it difficult, and it gets binned.....

Which completely matches what my wife has been hammering into my head. She
helps people write resumes, among other things. And I get a fair number of
resumes in hand. If your resume is a mess, you could be Albert Einstein and
Linux Torvalds rolled into one and you wouldn't even make it past HR, never
mind the hiring manager.


    > Yes, I'd be interested to hear what the trend is in Australia too.
    > Although I don't need to know immediately, it'll be useful information
    > for if/when it comes time to make the move across.

Where will you guys be going? Seems lately my wife and I have been the only
ones aiming for Melbourne (so many are planning on Sydney, Adelaide or
Brisbane).

Cheers
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    > Dear All
    >
    > the last 24 hours done various mail shots to both IT companies and
    > IT recruitment consultancies, all bar one (out of 54) came back and
    > said could I do a longer Oz/Nz style resume, mine is currently 2
    > pages in length.
    >
    > (was not actually looking for a job, more looking to get my name known &
    > also get some names to email & ask questions of! The beginnings of
    > networking so to speak).
    >
    > I was advised by a number of the companies that they require a more
    > detailed approach (upto around 8 or 9 pages).

Trev, you're my hero. Good on ya!

And very interesting info indeed!

So, you may want to have a short and a long form handy. One for the brief
marketing blitz, if you will, but you should have the longer one available
at once, in case you get asked for more information.

And a cover letter on top, I would presume?

Cheers
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Originally posted by Michael Hoffman
Which completely matches what my wife has been hammering into my head. She
helps people write resumes, among other things. And I get a fair number of
resumes in hand. If your resume is a mess, you could be Albert Einstein and
Linux Torvalds rolled into one and you wouldn't even make it past HR, never
mind the hiring manager.
Absolutely! At least, that holds true for the job market here in the UK too.
For Australia, it seems as though the 6-8 page version of my CV might do fine, but I'm sure issues dealing with presentation still apply.

Where will you guys be going? Seems lately my wife and I have been the only
ones aiming for Melbourne (so many are planning on Sydney, Adelaide or
Brisbane).

Cheers
Mike
Ah... well, we're also hoping to head for Melbourne (if the visa comes through of course).
We have some family there, and some friends originally from there who are looking at moving back there within the next couple of years. We've also been to visit before, and much preferred Melbourne over Sydney.
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Originally posted by trevski_1965
Dear All

the last 24 hours done various mail shots to both IT companies and IT recruitment consultancies, all bar one (out of 54) came back and said could I do a longer Oz/Nz style resume, mine is currently 2 pages in length.

(was not actually looking for a job, more looking to get my name known & also get some names to email & ask questions of! The beginnings of networking so to speak).

I was advised by a number of the companies that they require a more detailed approach (upto around 8 or 9 pages).



Hmmmmmm interesting.

Trev C
Great - thanks for that feedback!
Seems my 6-8 page version would be something I can work on when sending it out in Oz.
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Good info Trev,

Pity they wouldn't prefer the 60 page RPL as a C.V seems such a waste not to use it again after all of the hard work!!

Think I'll get a nice part time job as a proof reader when we get to OZ!!

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