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Old May 15th 2013, 6:33 am
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Sorry if this has been asked before but I would like peoples thoughts on a skilled 457 visa visa I'm 39 ive been in the motor trade as a mechanic since I was 15 and ive been working as a diesel mechanic for the last 12 years ive been working on refuse trucks ive got a wife and two children one is 13 and the other is 10 ive been offered a 457 visa which im thinking of doing but im on another forum and all ive got is negative feed back about the visa also ill be moving to melbourne so any thoughts good or bad would be great
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We are on one, has worked for us so far and we are also in Melbourne, great place!
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we're going out on one too. There are downsides as described on this site, but plenty of upsides too. I'm probably too old to get a skilled visa but was eligible for the 457 and we hope to apply for employer sponsored PR after 2 years working. Your employer in Aus is a big factor if you do wish to stay long term - if they're keen to keep you on (as mine are) then they'll sponsor you for PR. Still not a given though - medicals etc to go through again. Good luck
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http://britishexpats.com/wiki/457_Visa_Restrictions will give you some ideas.

Be aware the price of a 457 is likely to double very soon.
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Originally Posted by nikkiandscott
Sorry if this has been asked before but I would like peoples thoughts on a skilled 457 visa visa I'm 39 ive been in the motor trade as a mechanic since I was 15 and ive been working as a diesel mechanic for the last 12 years ive been working on refuse trucks ive got a wife and two children one is 13 and the other is 10 ive been offered a 457 visa which im thinking of doing but im on another forum and all ive got is negative feed back about the visa also ill be moving to melbourne so any thoughts good or bad would be great
Many thanks
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There is nothing wrong with the 457 visa so long as you understand it and see it as the temporary work permit that it is. The trouble starts when someone does not understand it, thinks they are emigrating on it, loses their job and then gets upset when they have to leave and are out of pocket.
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The other issue is age, if you lose points for age whilst on the 457 you may not be eligible for independent PR if your employer doesn't wish to sponsor for PR. You may even reach the age threshold and have further limitations imposed.

Best of luck.
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Goldchoccycoin - does your last main sentence relate to independent PR (which I think it does) or employer sponsored PR? If the latter, can you explain a bit more - thanks
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As you age you lose points for Independent PR applications (189, 190 etc). Thsi may be an issue for some people - so it may be worth getting PR from the outset rather than (or in conjunction with) a 457

However, it is also a potential issue for Employer Sponsored. You are usually only eligible if you are under 45 years of age. If you are over 45 and are looking at ENS then you face extra hurdles.

See: http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/skill...bclass-856.htm

Specifically;

Age exemptions

Exceptional circumstances for the age requirement might be considered in the following cases:

If the applicant is:

45 to less than 50 years old; or
50 to less than 55 years old, and if the nominated occupation has minimum skill requirement of a diploma or higher qualification; or
55 to less than 60 years old, and if the nominated occupation has a minimum skill requirement of a degree or higher qualification.
The delegate must also be satisfied that the:

position is essential to the operation of the business
position requires a person with skills and experience acquired over many years and
employer demonstrates that the position is so unusual or highly specialised that it was not possible to find, in Australia and overseas, a suitably qualified person who was younger than the applicant.
Note: Exceptional circumstances are generally not considered for applicants who are 60 years or older.


There have been a few cases on the forum - you might find some with a search.
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I think as a Medical Doctor you'll likely fit the criteria - what a great job you will have!

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Another reason to apply for PR sooner rather than later is that DIAC can and do change the rules, if you are eligible for PR best to apply while you can rather than them changing a 'list' or criteria and missing out if your intention is to live in Australia long-term.

There are also usually financial benefits to being a PR over a temporary citizen with regards to children and schooling especially.
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Originally Posted by goldchoccycoin
As you age you lose points for Independent PR applications (189, 190 etc). Thsi may be an issue for some people - so it may be worth getting PR from the outset rather than (or in conjunction with) a 457

However, it is also a potential issue for Employer Sponsored. You are usually only eligible if you are under 45 years of age. If you are over 45 and are looking at ENS then you face extra hurdles.

See: http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/skill...bclass-856.htm

Specifically;

Age exemptions

Exceptional circumstances for the age requirement might be considered in the following cases:

If the applicant is:

45 to less than 50 years old; or
50 to less than 55 years old, and if the nominated occupation has minimum skill requirement of a diploma or higher qualification; or
55 to less than 60 years old, and if the nominated occupation has a minimum skill requirement of a degree or higher qualification.
The delegate must also be satisfied that the:

position is essential to the operation of the business
position requires a person with skills and experience acquired over many years and
employer demonstrates that the position is so unusual or highly specialised that it was not possible to find, in Australia and overseas, a suitably qualified person who was younger than the applicant.
Note: Exceptional circumstances are generally not considered for applicants who are 60 years or older.


There have been a few cases on the forum - you might find some with a search.

Just to point out that this information is incorrect it became invalid as of July 2012.

As of 1 July 2012 the maximum age, for both independent sponsorship and via the new transitional route (457-ENS), increased to 50 but with a much greater limitation on the exceptions for age.

The main point to bear in mind is that the rules can change and if using a temporary pathway to PR you need to recognised that the pathway is not guaranteed.
That said the 457 can be very useful where PR is not an option or it suits the needs of the individual - but recognising there are risks if the long term hope is for PR.
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I'm 46 just now (but you'd never know it ;-) ) so hope to apply for PR when I'm 48 - my understanding was that the age limit was 50 so at the moment I should be ok all being well. I may try applying as an independent after a year in Oz as the work experience there will bring me up to 60 points. Nothing to lose other than money (nothing new there!)

I'm hoping the move to the RFDS will be the last career move I make.
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So there is still hope for me then dml haha did you take the ielts before you went over because im booked ti take it in a couple of weeks and not sure to take it or try and get a refund
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No I didn't have to take the IELTS but I did have to dig out my "O" level english language certificate from 19** to prove I could speak English. talk about blowing the dust off things.....

My wife (a nurse) has had to do it though for her registration
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Ok I might still take it as its valid for three years so it could be be something to help get my pr in a couple of years when im over there
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