Totally confused.(doesn't take much)

Old Dec 6th 2006, 8:30 pm
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Ok please try and answer:

I have been getting SO MANY mixed replies that I feel I am going to go crazy!!!

Migration agent tells me that unless I get a job offer in a position that is on the Skilled List I will not get PR/Visa.

So....I rang NZ House & was told that ANY job offer regardless if it is on skilled list or not goes towards PR?

Then I have been reading on here and getting mixed answers again.


So please anyone know for sure??

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Old Dec 6th 2006, 8:32 pm
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Originally Posted by andy&georgina
Ok please try and answer:

I have been getting SO MANY mixed replies that I feel I am going to go crazy!!!

Migration agent tells me that unless I get a job offer in a position that is on the Skilled List I will not get PR/Visa.

So....I rang NZ House & was told that ANY job offer regardless if it is on skilled list or not goes towards PR?

Then I have been reading on here and getting mixed answers again.


So please anyone know for sure??

I'm not in your situation, but I think I'd go with what NZ House says. Are you paying the agent money?
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Old Dec 6th 2006, 8:34 pm
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Originally Posted by Maz
I'm not in your situation, but I think I'd go with what NZ House says. Are you paying the agent money?
Hi hun

No just phoned up for FREE advice.....
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Hi hun

No just phoned up for FREE advice.....
Hi babes!

WOO HOO free advice! Then toss it out the window. The advice, not the beer.
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I'd go with NZIS advice if i were you, some agents just seem to give down beat advice so you feel you couldn't do it without their help.

take care Mandie
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Originally Posted by Mandie.H
I'd go with NZIS advice if i were you, some agents just seem to give down beat advice so you feel you couldn't do it without their help.

take care Mandie


I think I will - thanks everyone
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Originally Posted by andy&georgina
So....I rang NZ House & was told that ANY job offer regardless if it is on skilled list or not goes towards PR?
Okay, I'll muddle it up just to keep it interesting.

A friend of ours from Japan has been working as a sewing machinist in the same factory as my wife. The Japanese lady is thirty-two and has been working for this clothes manufacturer for over three years. She speaks English well and is acceptably competent in reading and writing English. She also has a junior college degree from Japan (I think that's equivalent to what NZ calls a level 4 qualification). Anyway, she files an EOI and gets the reply that she is accepted and that an ITA would be issued. But then lo and behold, a week later she gets a letter from NZIS stating that sewing machinist is unskilled and therefore she would not be invited to apply for residency.

I would think that sewing would take skills that not everyone has. Hell, when I was between jobs my wife (a sewing machinist herself) became the principal applicant for the extension of our work permits -- no worries here's your stickies, mate. I reckon our Japanese friend has been hard done by, but I don't make the calls then, do I?

So, uh, yeah. What kind of job one is offered does matter.
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[QUOTE=andy&georgina]Ok please try and answer:

I have been getting SO MANY mixed replies that I feel I am going to go crazy!!!

Migration agent tells me that unless I get a job offer in a position that is on the Skilled List I will not get PR/Visa.

So....I rang NZ House & was told that ANY job offer regardless if it is on skilled list or not goes towards PR?

Then I have been reading on here and getting mixed answers again.


So please anyone know for sure??


If you have any job offer you get extra points. If you have a job offer on the skilled/shortage list you get even more points. So both are right.
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If you have any job offer you get extra points. If you have a job offer on the skilled/shortage list you get even more points. So both are right.
Thanks Boopy - so if I was to secure a PA/Admin role that would still secure me points?

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Originally Posted by andy&georgina
Thanks Boopy - so if I was to secure a PA/Admin role that would still secure me points?

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The difficulty being that companies would recruit overseas for skilled jobs that they were unable to recruiting locally, that's not really likely to happen in an unskilled job and they would not wait for you to get your visa stuff sorted. It is an age old catch 22 situation and onus may be put onto the employer to satisfy NZIS that they could not find anyone in NZ to do that job.

I'm not entirely certain, but can't imagine that any old job will do, unless you already have enough points for selection without the job offer. I'm sure the NZIS website gives some info on what does and does not constitute an acceptable job.

For a Work permit you must secure a job paying $45k or more.
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The difficulty being that companies would recruit overseas for skilled jobs that they were unable to recruiting locally, that's not really likely to happen in an unskilled job and they would not wait for you to get your visa stuff sorted. It is an age old catch 22 situation and onus may be put onto the employer to satisfy NZIS that they could not find anyone in NZ to do that job.

I'm not entirely certain, but can't imagine that any old job will do, unless you already have enough points for selection without the job offer. I'm sure the NZIS website gives some info on what does and does not constitute an acceptable job.

For a Work permit you must secure a job paying $45k or more.
I score 105 without job offer on my age, basic qualifications & english language - so when I rang NZIS they said securing any job offer would suffice?
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From NZIS Website:

Qualifying through skilled employment

Under our Skilled Migrant Category we’re constantly reviewing New Zealand’s skills needs to invite applications for residence from people who’ll best fill those needs. We do this using a points system.

To apply to move to New Zealand under the Skilled Migrant Category you need to complete an Expression of Interest form, either on the printed form or online. When you complete this form you’ll have the opportunity to determine the number of points you qualify for against a range of factors in our points system.

We’ve assigned points to these factors so that we can rank Expressions of Interest and invite people who have the most to offer New Zealand to apply for residence.

You can gain points if you are either already in, or have an offer of, a job in New Zealand that we consider to be skilled employment.


What is skilled employment?

Skilled employment is work that requires considerable specialist, technical or management expertise that:

* you gained by completing a relevant recognised qualification

or

* you gained through work experience that has given you a level of skill that is comparable to the level of skill you would have gained if you had completed the recognised qualification

or

* you developed through work experience in which that expertise was a key component.


We will regard your employment as skilled if it...

* is relevant to your recognised qualification

and

* requires considerable specialist, technical or management expertise.


If you meet these criteria, we will regard your employment as skilled, regardless of whether it appears in Appendix 11 of our Operational Manual.

However, if you don't have a recognised relevant qualification, we will still regard your employment as skilled if:

* it requires considerable specialist, technical or management expertise that you have gained through previous work experience in which that expertise was a key component

and

* the occupation is listed at Appendix 11 of our Operational Manual

or

* the level of expertise is comparable to the level of expertise that you would need to carry out one of the occupations specified in Appendix 11

or

* the employment will contribute to New Zealand's future growth or skill base or enhance New Zealand’s accomplishments or participation in your occupational field because you have an international reputation and record of excellence in that field.

Skilled employment cannot be self-employment

You won't be able to claim points for skilled employment if you are working in your own business. You can only gain points for skilled employment carried out for a third party.
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Originally Posted by andy&georgina
I score 105 without job offer on my age, basic qualifications & english language - so when I rang NZIS they said securing any job offer would suffice?

That's what I was thinking, you have enough points to be selected without a job offer, so any job would do, but you won't get any extra points for having an unskilled job.
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That's what I was thinking, you have enough points to be selected without a job offer, so any job would do, but you won't get any extra points for having an unskilled job.
Think I shall now go scream - as the NZIS have told me wrong then :scared:
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