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Has anyone had an issue with NZIS regarding spondylosis, OH has this but it is controlled by prescribed drugs, albeit strong one, otherwise fit and healthy. NZIS referred to MA and they want prognosis etc from Doctor. Any advise welcome Might be worth mentioning we are retiredso will not be looking to work.

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Has anyone had an issue with NZIS regarding spondylosis, OH has this but it is controlled by prescribed drugs, albeit strong one, otherwise fit and healthy. NZIS referred to MA and they want prognosis etc from Doctor. Any advise welcome Might be worth mentioning we are retiredso will not be looking to work.

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Sorry I have no specific info on your OHs condition, however if you read the attached link, it may give you an idea as to what NZIS are looking for in their decision.

http://www.immigration.govt.nz/NR/rd...C8E/0/1121.pdf

The secret with the MA is that you cannot give too much information and unfortunately they usually require the info from the organ grinder not the monkey, which usually means lots of dosh too.
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Sorry I have no specific info on your OHs condition, however if you read the attached link, it may give you an idea as to what NZIS are looking for in their decision.

http://www.immigration.govt.nz/NR/rd...C8E/0/1121.pdf

The secret with the MA is that you cannot give too much information and unfortunately they usually require the info from the organ grinder not the monkey, which usually means lots of dosh too.
Hi there, thanks for your input, I had read this previously but unfortunately it does not give specifics.
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Hi there, thanks for your input, I had read this previously but unfortunately it does not give specifics.

Unfortunately you will not get specifics on any condition with NZIS. It really is a case by case decision, which is why I advise you to get as much information as is humanly possible from the most senior specialist you can afford, on your OH's current diagnosis and predicted future diagnosis.

Having been where you are now, I know how stressful a time it is, and wish you both lots of luck.
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Unfortunately you will not get specifics on any condition with NZIS. It really is a case by case decision, which is why I advise you to get as much information as is humanly possible from the most senior specialist you can afford, on your OH's current diagnosis and predicted future diagnosis.

Having been where you are now, I know how stressful a time it is, and wish you both lots of luck.
Hi again - sorry to be a bit dull, but to get the prognosis/treament etc letter - we assumed it must come from our own GP as CO requested, would you say it is advisable to get a write up from a consultant, even if they have not seen OH before. We are just awaiting GP's letter.
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Spondylosis eh ? Rotten condition. I do hope your OH doesn't experience too much discomfort. My Mum suffered chronic rheumatoid arthritis from her 40's onward. Met plenty of lovely folk burdened with spondy in rheumatology waiting rooms, wards and hospitals. She used to go up to the Mineral Hospital in Bath which was arthritis specific. It's since been closed now.

Yes. It will be definitely advisable to get an extremely comprehensive report from the consultant rheumatologist at the hospital which monitors your OH's spondylosis.

As it is a degenerative condition , I would suspect that NZIS will be looking closely at costs. Osteoarthritis is mention in Appendix 10.

Originally Posted by NZIS Appendix10
Diseases or disorders such as osteoarthritis with a high probability of arthroplasty in the next four years
For the auto-immune Spondylitis :-

Originally Posted by Appendix10 NZIS
Severe autoimmune disease, currently being treated with immuno-suppressants other than prednisone
I would totally echo Kev & Sarah .

Originally Posted by kev&sarah
I advise you to get as much information as is humanly possible from the most senior specialist you can afford, on your OH's current diagnosis and predicted future diagnosis.
with regard to the business of costs NZIS say this , as you know:-

A4.10.1 Assessment of whether an applicant for residence is unlikely to impose significant costs on New Zealand's health services

1. The requirement that an applicant for residence must be unlikely to impose significant costs on New Zealand's health services is not met if, in the opinion of an Immigration New Zealand medical assessor, there is a relatively high probability that the applicant's medical condition or group of conditions will require health services costing in excess of $25,000.

Note: Assessment will be in terms of current costs with no inflation adjustment.

2. In the case of acute medical conditions, the medical assessor will provide an opinion on whether there is a relatively high probability that the condition or group of conditions will require health services costing in excess of NZ$25,000 within a period of four years from the date the assessment against health requirements policy is made.

3. In the case of chronic recurring medical conditions, the medical assessor will provide an opinion on whether, over the predicted course of the condition or group of conditions, there is a relatively high probability that the condition or group of conditions will require health services costing in excess of NZ$25,000.
In conclusion, a letter from your GP will be useful but you really need comprehensive, expert, rheumatology reports to back up your case .
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Spondylosis eh ? Rotten condition. I do hope your OH doesn't experience too much discomfort. My Mum suffered chronic rheumatoid arthritis from her 40's onward. Met plenty of lovely folk burdened with spondy in rheumatology waiting rooms, wards and hospitals. She used to go up to the Mineral Hospital in Bath which was arthritis specific. It's since been closed now.

Yes. It will be definitely advisable to get an extremely comprehensive report from the consultant rheumatologist at the hospital which monitors your OH's spondylosis.

As it is a degenerative condition , I would suspect that NZIS will be looking closely at costs. Osteoarthritis is mention in Appendix 10.


For the auto-immune Spondylitis :-



I would totally echo Kev & Sarah .



with regard to the business of costs NZIS say this , as you know:-



In conclusion, a letter from your GP will be useful but you really need comprehensive, expert, rheumatology reports to back up your case .

Hi thank you for your reply, unfortunately I think our main problem is the label OH's problem has been given. He had the habit of jumping out of airplanes and the repeated impact caused some damage over the years, as you might expect.

Generally he is fine but if he does to much pain ensues, but has never had to see a rheumatoid consultant and is clearly not as affected as your Mum. So if this is the angle NZIS is coming from we will have a fight on our hands.

The annoying thing is this is only a multi visit visa so we are ineligible to use NZ health care and must pay for our own health issues anyway. Grrrr
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Hi thank you for your reply, unfortunately I think our main problem is the label OH's problem has been given. He had the habit of jumping out of airplanes and the repeated impact caused some damage over the years, as you might expect.
Blimey . :smile: It's a shame for him then, but not surprising. I take it he has given this relaxing activity up then. Spondylosis can often appear in later years following on from neck injuries etc. such as whiplash.

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Generally he is fine but if he does too much ,pain ensues,
but has never had to see a rheumatoid consultant and is clearly not as affected as your Mum.
A Consultant Rheumatologist is a specialist that deals with all matters relating to arthritic wear and tear , not just auto immune rhumatoid arthritis. He/She would also deal with osteo arthritic conditions .

A consultant rheumatologist could confirm or reject the diagnosis of spondylosis. He/She would also be able to state a prognosis for degeneration or not, as the case may be & also what treatment /pain management would be required over the next 4 years or so.


Out of interest, what would you call the condition?

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So if this is the angle NZIS is coming from we will have a fight on our hands.
I hope not. The angle for NZ immigration will always be 'what can the person cost NZ' as per their operations manual.
You will have read the concerns that Chippy64 had over his son's Osgoods which are teenage growing pains. His application won the day. so fingers crossed for you both.

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The annoying thing is this is only a multi visit visa so we are ineligible to use NZ health care and must pay for our own health issues anyway. Grrrr
My mistake here. I assumed you were going for PR via family sponsorship but I see that you are unable to do this until Sept 2009.

Can you tell me more about this multiple entry visa please? Does it come under visitors visas? I would be interested to learn more . Thanks
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