I'm confused... what's the difference?

Old Apr 13th 2011, 8:55 am
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I'm sat here looking over the immigration forms, been previously informed as we are already here on WTR visa til Nov this year, we are to apply under the Residence From Work Category. OK fair enough.

So am reading the info guide and in this particular section it states
"Note: if you have a base salary of NZ$90,000 or more you may be eligible for a permanent resident visa" sooooo is this not what I am actually applying for? It makes me think now that the 'Residence From Work' is not the same as being a permanent resident? Will the 'Residence From Work' allow us to stay indefinatley in NZ so long as OH is doing the same job he is doing now

And then I've just been reading one of the stickies in this section of the forum that's got me even more confused. Applying for residency comes in two stages? You get issued 'Resident Visa with travel conditions' which lasts for two years, then have to apply again for " 'Permanent Resident Visa' [PRV]which allows you to leave and return to NZ and has an indefinite expiry date. "

I'm sorry for sounding stoopid but am now totally confused and worried that I might be applying for the wrong thing and we just might have to do it all over again in another couple of years.....
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To be clear , are you currently on a WTR visa?

If so is that with an accredited employer?
With the $55K salary?
Had it for two years come Nov 2011?

or

Is it what you were offered a WTR instead of PR under the SMC ?

and

Is your occupation on the skilled list?
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There is a difference between a residence visa and a permanent residence visa.

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Originally Posted by BEVS View Post
To be clear , are you currently on a WTR visa?

If so is that with an accredited employer?
With the $55K salary?
Had it for two years come Nov 2011?

or

Is it what you were offered a WTR instead of PR under the SMC ?

and

Is your occupation on the skilled list?
Thanks for reply Bevs;

Yes here on WTR, with accredited employer, salary is over 55k, will have been here 2 yrs in July, current visa is valid til November this year.

If I am reading this bit right

"Most people who are eligible are initially granted a resident visa then progress to a permanent resident visa by making another application after they meet the commitment to New Zealand criteria. However, new policy settings enable a small number of residence applicants to progress directly to a permanent resident visa. These are:

foreign national partners of New Zealand citizens (and the partner’s dependent children) where:
the New Zealand citizen has been living overseas for at least five years, or has been in New Zealand for three months or less after living overseas for at least five years, and
the partnership has been ongoing for at least five years.
people who were granted a temporary work visa under the Talent (Accredited Employers) Work category who have a job with a salary of at least NZ$90,000 gross per annum at the time they apply for residence under the corresponding Residence from Work category, and
refugees and protected people.

Only people who apply for residence on or after 29 November 2010 are considered for the grant of a permanent resident visa as a result of their first residence application."

So if OH earns over 90k then we'd be given the permanent residence visa straight away. Shame I don't think he does.
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Only if it was under the temporary work visa under the talent (accredited employers) work category!

I've gained a residence visa under the SMC that has the 2 yr restriction with certain section 49 conditions. This is an indefinite visa, but if you leave and don't return when the 2 yr restriction is up you may not be allowed back in.

Initially I assumed when I was granted PR (which is what everyone seems to call the residence visa) that was that, but its not! I wish people wouldn't say PR when it isn't actually PR (although, as you'll see below, it pretty much is PR!).

Basically I need to start work within 3 months (which I will, probably after 2 weeks), stay in that job for 3 months (which of course I will) and thats it. The section 49 conditions are then lifted. Once we have been there two years (and you have shown commitment to NZ, e.g. been resident for at least 6 months in each year, paid tax, etc. etc.) you can transfer it to a permanent resident visa which is basically exactly the same as the resident visa without the section 49 conditions or the 2 yr travel restriction. Its very cheap to do this also, and as far as I'm aware it take no time at all at the local immigration office.
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I wish people wouldn't say PR when it isn't actually PR (although, as you'll see below, it pretty much is PR!).


That's because the change in the wording of the visas is quite new plus they just shuffled the words around. So those that started the process before the word changes have visas in the old style wording. There will be people out there with a blue sticker that states Permanent Resident + an RRV - Returning Resident Visa in their passports who have not yet completed the 2 years. So for them to state PR is quite normal. They would be looking to have an IRRV - Indefinite Returning Resident visa at the end of the 2 years , however this is now called Permanent Resident Visa. So don't be too harsh on the use of words. This is still a transitional period & will be for a while yet.

You're at the start of your 2 years rick78 and are coming in or have come in under a different policy. Further all the wording in your visa will be the revamped description.

Keeny is looking to convert their WTR visa come November. A WTR is a form of temporary work permit. They have worked towards gaining NZ residency. The confusion comes as per above. The juggling of the wording.
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Originally Posted by keeny View Post
So if OH earns over 90k then we'd be given the permanent residence visa straight away. Shame I don't think he does.
Crikey ! Where does the time go.

These days that's the equivalent of the IRRV - Indefinite Returning Resident visa. I know it's confusing but the above isn't about PR as we have all always known it to be. NZIS went and changed the wording around.
As far as I can see NZIS state that they may give a permanent residency visa ( old style indefinite returning residency visa) to someone earning over $90K pa not that they will.

What you will be applying for at the end of your two years is now called a Resident Visa. It was called a Permanent Resident visa. The two are exactly the same really.
Instead of also getting a 2 years Returning Resident visa (which is the visa that allowed you to leave and re-enter NZ) , you will just get the one sticker . It's a 2 for 1 deal and probably all about saving on paper stickers. It will have a 2 year expiry date just like the old Returning Resident visa.

After the 2 years are up you will apply for what is now called a Permanent Resident sticker . In days of old that would have been the Indefinite Returning Residency sticker which has no expiry date.

Sorted? Probably as clear as mud. I blame NZIS for juggling the words to save on stickers.

Anyway. Don't worry. When you convert your current WTR and see a Resident sticker it will mean the same as the old style PR sticker.

This is your form
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Crikey ! Where does the time go.

These days that's the equivalent of the IRRV - Indefinite Returning Resident visa. I know it's confusing but the above isn't about PR as we have all always known it to be. NZIS went and changed the wording around.
As far as I can see NZIS state that they may give a permanent residency visa ( old style indefinite returning residency visa) to someone earning over $90K pa not that they will.

What you will be applying for at the end of your two years is now called a Resident Visa. It was called a Permanent Resident visa. The two are exactly the same really.
Instead of also getting a 2 years Returning Resident visa (which is the visa that allowed you to leave and re-enter NZ) , you will just get the one sticker . It's a 2 for 1 deal and probably all about saving on paper stickers. It will have a 2 year expiry date just like the old Returning Resident visa.

After the 2 years are up you will apply for what is now called a Permanent Resident sticker . In days of old that would have been the Indefinite Returning Residency sticker which has no expiry date.

Sorted? Probably as clear as mud. I blame NZIS for juggling the words to save on stickers.

Anyway. Don't worry. When you convert your current WTR and see a Resident sticker it will mean the same as the old style PR sticker.

This is your form
Thanks Bevs. I've got that form. So basically am I just worrying over nothing?
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Thanks Bevs. I've got that form. So basically am I just worrying over nothing?
Yis ! It is the same old, same old. Just different wording.

You will be residents. You will be able to leave and return to NZ unlimited over a period of 2 years. However, You will have to show that you were primarily tax resident here in NZ over those 2 years if you want to move onto the next step. That's the bones of it.
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Originally Posted by rick78 View Post
Its very cheap to do this also, and as far as I'm aware it take no time at all at the local immigration office.
Any idea how much more it will cost us to do this after we have been residents for the next two years?

Thanks again
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There are costs for this somewhere on the Immi website, can't remember where, but relative to amount spent it's nothing... $100 or so.
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There are costs for this somewhere on the Immi website, can't remember where, but relative to amount spent it's nothing... $100 or so.
Ok thanks.... think I found it, $160.
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