Getting our baby NZ Residency

Old Apr 18th 2013, 11:42 pm
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This may be so, but the airline still aren't accountable for letting someone fly and being rejected entry.

The arguement that "my carrier allowed me to travel" isn't going to hold up with an immigration official.

My overriding point is to never assume something.

The conflicting information from immigration officials doesn't help.

My ultimate advise would be this;

If you are unsure about ANYTHING and you are in the UK. Spend the money and take the time to travel to London and speak to NZIS in person. That way you can deal with one person and get everything answered in one fell swoop.

I'm fortunate that I'm close enough I cycled to, at the time, NZ house to do this, but the time and effort was invaluable. I would recommend it to anyone, wherever they were travelling from in the UK.

Getting a visa particularly for NZ, is hardly a snap decision.

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Old Apr 19th 2013, 2:38 pm
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Thanks Tommyluck- we know its not a snap decision but at the same time surely we should be able to pick up the phone, ask the relevant questions and get the same consistent advice!!? Yes we may have to go into London but my husband is self employed so losing a days wage also not ideal either.
Can you just turn up or do you have to make an appointment? and if we have to make an appointment do you do it on that infernal pound a minute number where they spend £5.00 giving you options?????????
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Old Apr 19th 2013, 3:56 pm
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This may be so, but the airline still aren't accountable for letting someone fly and being rejected entry.

The arguement that "my carrier allowed me to travel" isn't going to hold up with an immigration official.
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I suspect we are discussing slightly different points

Your second point is correct. I doubt any immigration official anywhere is going to see that as relevant to being allowed entry to any country.

On your first point; sometimes airlines are accountable and sometimes they aren't.
Advanced Passenger Screening takes place which should take care of most of the visa scenarios that exist. For instance I am never asked anymore at check in whether I am a resident nor do I usually have to prove it. However there will be times where the airline has to make a decision though it would be pretty strange if there was not someone in immigration they could refer to
They are given guidance on the types of visas that exist and what is and what is not acceptable. It is the airlines responsibility to follow these guidelines.

If an airline lets someone travel who has travel out of NZ/all documents etc and they are then refused entry-the airline is not liable

If an airline lets anyone travel who hasn't got the necessary documents and/or travel out of NZ and/or the necessary funds and they are or are not denied entry at immigration -the airline is liable and can be fined.

In Hellsbells' case, it is possible the airline was fined but we will never know whether it was or not. His/her child was on a UK passport so there was no need for a visa. But they had no onwards travel arrangements, hence should not have been on the plane according to the guidelines to airlines issued by NZIS. Maybe this was taken higher at check in and it didn't seep through to the officials in NZ or the airline made a judgement call, who knows! [I am not accusing Hellsbells of anything as they were given the wrong information to start with by NZIS]

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Old Apr 19th 2013, 4:08 pm
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Originally Posted by garni View Post
Thanks Tommyluck- we know its not a snap decision but at the same time surely we should be able to pick up the phone, ask the relevant questions and get the same consistent advice!!? Yes we may have to go into London but my husband is self employed so losing a days wage also not ideal either.
Can you just turn up or do you have to make an appointment? and if we have to make an appointment do you do it on that infernal pound a minute number where they spend £5.00 giving you options?????????
The advice should be consistent This cannot be such an uncommon occurrence that the staff never deal with it
Last time I went was in 2008 and you could just turn up and wait. I don't think they had appointments available but I didn't really look to be honest. I never had to wait for long and they were helpful.
If you do decide to go, maybe print off some of the pages from the website. Mainly those stating that you need to be in NZ to apply for residency for a dependent child just in case they say you can do it in the UK. At least then you have the knowledge and can back it up just in case they give you different advice Go armed and ready!

Though maybe wait for the email first as that might just answer everything....or not!
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Well Persephone she didnt reply to the email so my husband followed it up with a phonecall today- just to ensure she had got it.
I have only had the clipped version as he was at work (on a building site so not ideal). She said we had 'obviously' not read the bumf she sent, which we had- in detail, as we then sat down and wrote the email with all our questions. She also said that he could have called the call centre number with these questions as it has spent 20mins of her time and she could have completed 2 applications in that time!! He said she wasnt rude but he is overely polite my husband and sees the nice in everyone!
She did say that we should apply for a 6 or 9 month Visa for our infant as they can often reject residency if you are out of the country as in the past people have got it for their kids and then never gone back. So we go back to original plan of getting the little one a visitors visa and not residency.
From what i could gather he needs to apply for residency as my partner but i am still to find out if thats full residency again like he did at the start, full medical etc... i truly hope not- as thats another grand with the medical fees.
Stay tuned.............or if you are bored already........dont!!
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Old Apr 19th 2013, 8:31 pm
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Bugger, are you sure he needs to apply for residency again rather than a SSRV?

http://www.immigration.govt.nz/migra...quirements.htm

Also look in the operational manual under Residency, section RV 4.1. There's too much to quote!

So it looks like the visitors visa is the best option for the young one, at least you have an answer.
Sounds like she was helpful but also kinda not
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Some comments/reflections:

1. The NZIS operations manual is available online.
http://www.immigration.govt.nz/opsmanual/

2. Consulting it is probably cheaper/easier (and more reliable) than trying to call a premium rate phone line.

3. If you need professional assistance, contact a New Zealand immigration lawyer (choose one with a good reputation - they vary greatly).

4. Not sure why anyone is talking about a visitor visa for a child whose passport doesn't need a visa.

5. If parents have NZ resident visas that are still valid (are they?) and if NZ insists on return tickets for those arriving as visitors, then the simplest option might be to pay for return tickets to bring child to NZ, then after arrival, cancel the return. Then lodge application with NZIS for child's residency. Never a risk-free option, but realistically, would Immigration deny entry to a child if parents have valid visas to enter New Zealand as permanent residents?

6. Otherwise, if NZ insists on one parent living in NZ in order to sponsor the child for residency, the alternative is for one parent to move to NZ to start the sponsorship process.

7. Those who consider that an indefinite returning resident visa is an adequate substitute for NZ citizenship may wish to reflect again on their viewpoint.
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I think the visitor visa is being mentioned as that is what was suggested by NZIS to start with.
Looking at processing times for dependent child family applications, the times vary. On a quick look at 3 NZ offices times it can take 6 to 9 months just for the case to be referred to a case officer. So it may take longer for residency to be issued than a 'normal' visa waiver entry will allow.

Special visitor categories

Dependent children of New Zealand citizens and residents

Dependent children can be granted visitor visas if their parent will be in New Zealand for the same length of time and supports the children’s application. If a child is travelling alone or with one parent we may need proof of their right to leave their home country, such as custody or guardianship papers. We may allow dependent children to stay for up to 2 years.

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Just an update on our visa/residency situation. I have just received my daughters passport back with a 9 months visitors visa in it as long as we enter before nov 13, so when we get back to NZ we will start the immigration procedure. So it meant a limited medical and was back within 2 weeks!
The more difficult bit has actually been my husbands expired rrv- we were initially told he should apply for a subsequent rrv and once we sent off the info to immigration we were informed that we actually need to go back to step one and get him a work permit through partnership (which we did 7 years ago.. i could kill my husband!)
So he has just had a general medical and awaiting police reports to come back and then we can apply for it.
The medical was ok apart from a few calcified subcentimetre nodules on his right lung?? i dont know if this is going to be an obstacle for him but we will soon find out!
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The medical was ok apart from a few calcified subcentimetre nodules on his right lung?? i dont know if this is going to be an obstacle for him but we will soon find out!
I had that on my lung, actually didn't know that when I submitted the medicals, the guy at Immigration London told us it would be referred because of marks on my lungs. bloody panel panel Dr who got our xrays didn't say anything to us so we were very worried being told I had marks. went direct to my own GP and got our own xrays done that day and got results the following stating it was calcified nodules probably caused by a previous bout of pleurisy and nothing to worry about. Referral Dr at Immi obviously agreed as medicals came back all ok 2 weeks later
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I had that on my lung, actually didn't know that when I submitted the medicals, the guy at Immigration London told us it would be referred because of marks on my lungs. bloody panel panel Dr who got our xrays didn't say anything to us so we were very worried being told I had marks. went direct to my own GP and got our own xrays done that day and got results the following stating it was calcified nodules probably caused by a previous bout of pleurisy and nothing to worry about. Referral Dr at Immi obviously agreed as medicals came back all ok 2 weeks later
When you say you went to your gp was it his findings that resulted in your medical being accepted? or do immigration just refer to one of their own??
i am thinking you went to your own gp for peace of mind once you found out something was there but i might be wrong?
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yes went for my own peace of mine to find out what the hell these marks where. Immigration just refer it to their own "specialists" not sure what they do if they don't like what they see as I got the OK from them but I was ready with my own GP's findings if they wanted to play silly bugga's.
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Ok thanks for that- will send off once we get the police report back- really don't need anymore obstacles!!
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VISA'S ALL SORTED!!!!
So we three have residency/work visa/visitors visas and we are now all set to book one way tickets!!! Will have to sort the husbands and little ones residency out there but we have 18 months -2 years so all good.
The next chapter begins...................!
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finally - glad it all went well in the end. Just need to remember to sort it out once you are over within the time frame (note to myself to look at the 2 yr thingy )
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