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Old Jul 15th 2008, 8:39 pm
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just thought I would give everyone who is in need of registration, the info that has been given to us by a lovely lady who is in the dubious position of evaluating the relevant paperwork and deciding if a temporary permit is to be issued, we called into the office in wellington on our recent trip and she made time to explain the system to us, may I say thank you to the lady in question, I know that this will get back to her. NZQA..do NOT decide if you get a permit, even if they recognise your qualification, that does NOT automatically mean your given the go ahead to work in the field of anything electrical, this is down to the electrical board. The two offices have little or no contact, and you could end up paying for your quallies to be recognised for NO REASON. The way it gets processed is as follows.. you have to prove you have been working in your particular field for a min of two years, this can be done by your employer or if self employed, get a few references from regular clients, just to outline what it is you do, accompany this with a letter from yourself stating what you know you are capable of doing, these then you have to get stamped by solicitor under oath, send them to wellington, whereby you will have to wait for up to 12 WEEKS for this to be processed, this is not due to red tape, but due to the fact there is only ONE PERSON dealing with all the applications, you may get a temp permit issued to you,but it is for sure unless you have a MEGGA qually, you will have to take the H&S wk course and pass the exam b4 you are issued with a fully registered ticket, the bottom line is dont expect to be able to work in this particular field until at least a temp permit is issued, and it could take 12 wks, just wanted to let you all know in case your heading that way, get it sorted B4 you go, had a few job offers, but now have to make them aware of the wait,we had planned to go back sept/oct but will now wait until at least a temp is issued. we had a great time, loved it and have now put in our EOI 2DAY, FINGERS CROSSED!!!
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Just to add, the exams are generally held in June and November so try and time any move with them, Details of exam dates are on the EWRB website
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Hi.
Lovely to hear from you.
I thought your NZQA assessment was for your Beauty quals and possibly OH roofing.

Originally Posted by nickandlyn View Post
NZQA..do NOT decide if you get a permit, even if they recognise your qualification,
Wherever did you get the idea ? Not here , that's for sure. NZQA only assess overseas qualifications. One does the work permit / visa application paperwork through NZIS - NZ Immigration Service.

Originally Posted by nick&lyn
that does NOT automatically mean your given the go ahead to work in the field of anything electrical,
again . Of course not ! Electrical work is like plumbing work. These trades require registration & licenses.

The first port of call for anyone wanting to work as a sparky or electrical work here in NZ has to be the EWRB. They have a dedicated manual with regards to overseas electrical qualifications HERE.

I'm not at all sure that NZQA even comes into it at all. Per the NZIS website, trade sparkies and electrical workers do not need their UK quals assessed by NZQA if those UK quals are recognised by NZIS. Such quals would be , for example, a C&G 1 and advanced with an apprenticeship. These days, that translates into UK NVQ 3 etc as the old C&G 1 and 2 advanced no longer exist.

Originally Posted by NZIS recognised quals list
Trade Qualifications
The City and Guilds Part One and Part Two Certificates named below, together with evidence of a completed apprenticeship registered with a recognised industry body, are assessed as occupying Level 3 of the Register and will therefore qualify for 50 points.

Note: Visa and immigration officers must ensure that the Part Two Certificate is a full qualification (usually three components). Individual components of the Part Two qualification may be separately certificated. Most full Part Two certificates require completion of three components.

Other Trade qualifications not listed below require assessment by the NZQA.
.......other trades are listed - and then.......
* Electronics Servicing
* Electrical Installation Work
BUT they do need to have their UK quals and work exp assessed by the relevant trade board . That is the EWRB. This is because of H&S , registration and licensing requirements.

Originally Posted by nick&lyn

The two offices have little or no contact, and you could end up paying for your quallies to be recognised for NO REASON.
If you mean NZQA and the EWRB, then no, they would not confer about overseas qualifications assessment. Both are stand alone government bodies. If one is a sparky or electrical worker , then it is to the EWRB that application should be made.

There are several and many previous threads on here about the route to EWRB registration and provisional licenses.

Fingers crossed for you and have some karma.

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Here is an extract from a post put up by Kev&Sarah a while ago.
It is about the H&S course which is required for a provisional license.
Nick Chandler has run these courses at NZIS house in London in the past.

The H&S course
Safety tuition courses run for approximately 8 hours and are required for electricians, electrical, electronic and refrigeration service persons, line mechanics and cable jointers who wish to obtain a New Zealand Electrical Provisional Licence and who are applying for residency.

Course Content:
Introduction
Briefing on New Zealand Electricity Regulations and Electricity Supply Systems (TNCS multiple earthed neutral)
Requirements for Provisional Licences and for obtaining an Electrical Practising Licence
Supervision Guidelines for Provisional Licences (and completion of documentation)
Safe Work Practices (relevant to electrical work)
Basic First Aid (relevant to electrical work)
CPR (Cardio-Pulmonary Resuscitation)
Testing to Ensure Safety (including electrical certificate of compliance)
Issue of Certificates (Electrical Workers Registration Board Safety Training Card EWLG 632 & 632A)
General information and questions (as required)
A CD containing the current versions of the Electricity Act, Electricity Regulations, and Codes of practice, previous exam papers and other documentation will be supplied.

Further information can be obtained from Nick, via email - [email protected]
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Here is some info from an electrician. As this was a couple of years ago, it may be a little out of date but checking with EWRB will rectify this..

Re: how to register as an electrician.

1. A 3 day course for the practical and this involves everything, motors starters, forming pvc conduit, wiring relays etc. somewhere in the region of $400
2. CPR course $70
3. The dreaded regs, he will need the reference books if he doesnt have them or know anyone with them he will have to sit the regs exam cost $80 this is if he is a resident.this is a 3 hour exam.
He can get a job with a years provisional license as long as he has a cpr cert and has passed the practical they will issue him with the temp license.
On top of all this they will need his qualifications which have to be up to city&guilds 1 and 2 and he has to provide certs and also provide proof of experience even down to the wiring.
If he is not up to the EWRB standard he will have to sit a theory exam also on top of all this.
www.ewrb.govt.nz has all the necessary. Exams for regs are twice a year

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1. Electrician Registration

1.1 List of Common Certificates

City and Guilds of London Institute - Level 2 Certificate
*Ordinary or Higher National Certificate in Electrical Engineering
*City and Guilds Full Technological Certificate
*City and Guilds Electrician's Certificate
*City and Guilds Electrical Technician's Part 1 Certificate
*City and Guilds Electrical Technicians Part 2 Certificate in Electrical Power Equipment
*City and Guilds Electrical and Electronic Craft Studies Part 2
*City and Guilds Electrical Installation Course 2360 Part 2
*City and Guilds Certificate in Electrical Installation Competencies
*Northern Counties T.E.C Electrical Technicians 2nd Year Certificate
*Welsh Joint Education Committee Electrical Engineering Technicians Part 1 Certificate
*Welsh Joint Education Committee Electrical Technicians Certificate 2nd Year (Intermediate)
*Scottish Technical Educational Council Higher Certificate in Electrical and Electronic Engineering
*BTEC (or TEC) Certificates:
National Certificate in Electrical Engineering
Higher National Certificate in Electrical Engineering
Diploma in Electrical Engineering
Higher Diploma in Electrical Engineering
any of these must have a pass in the following subjects:
- Stage II - Electrical and Electronic Applications, or Electrical or Electronic Principles.
- Stage III - Heavy Current Electrical Applications
*BTEC National Certificate in Mining Engineering (Mining and Electrical)
*Scotvec (Scottish Vocational Education Council) Higher Certificate in Electrical and Electronic Engineering

The following certificates are not now issued but are still acceptable:

*City and Guilds Intermediate Grade Electrical Engineering Practice AC and DC
*City and Guilds Final Grade Electrical Engineering Practice Parts 1 and 2
*City and Guilds Electrical Installation Work Courses "B" or "C" Certificate
*City and Guilds Intermediate Electrical Technicians Certificate
*City and Guilds Colliery Electrician Craft Certificate.
*City and Guilds Certificate in Electrical Installation Work
*City and Guilds Installation Work Certificate B and C (scheme 236)
*City and Guilds Certificate Part 2, Certificate in Electrical Installation Work

* Listed in Schedule 6 to the Electricity Regulations 1997

1.1.1 Equivalence to New Zealand Requirements

Any certificate exempts the holder from the 3rd stage theory examination requirements.

1.1.2 Registration Requirements

The holder of a certificate must:

(a) Pass the 3rd stage practical assessment or examination.

(b) Pass the regulations examination.

(c) Have documents that show 4 years work experience on (the equivalent of) prescribed electrical work that incorporates the skills in paragraph 1(2) of Clause 1 of Schedule 1 of the Electricity Regulations 1997. The experience can include the period of apprenticeship or training.

(d) Complete the safety instruction requirements of Clause 3 of Schedule 1 of the Electricity Regulations 1997.

1.2 Craftsman Certificate

1.2.1 Description

This certificate is evidence of completion of a training programme prescribed by any approved Industry Training Board. This includes the training for the City and Guilds of London Institute - Level 2 Certificate or equivalent.

1.2.2 Equivalence to New Zealand Requirements

This certificate:

(a) Exempts the holder from the 3rd stage theory examination requirements.

(b) Is evidence of the completion of 4 years work experience that has incorporated the skills in paragraph 1(2) of Clause 1 of Schedule 1 of the Electricity Regulations 1997 where the period of the training programme was 4 or more years.

1.2.3 Registration Requirements

The holder of this certificate must:

(a) Pass the 3rd stage practical assessment or examination.

(b) Pass the regulations examination.

(c) Where the period of the training programme was less than 4 years, have documents that together with the Craftsman Certificate show, at least, 4 years work experience on (the equivalent of) prescribed electrical work.

(d) Complete the safety instruction requirements of Clause 3 of Schedule 1 of the Electricity Regulations 1997.
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Here are some more notes by a sparky. These have all been posted elsewhere before in the forum

The NZ electrician registration process is:-
1. Submit your City & Guilds (and/or other as applicable) qualifications and a VERY COMPREHENSIVE resume' of your work experience to the Electrical Workers Registration Board (EWRB) The address is PO Box 10156 Wellington, New Zealand – attention Mr. Paul McGrail.

More details can be found at www.med.govt.nz/ewrb/ or at www.ewrb.govt.nz. References from employers (i.e. an electrical supervisor or manager) or electrical inspectors (if you are self employed) must be included, to verify your work experience.

If your qualifications are deemed appropriate you will be exempt the NZ (level 4) electrical theory exam. If not, you may complete the theory training in NZ, BUT this may affect your residency application from the UK.

Your work experience is needed to confirm you have sufficient experience to comply with the requirements for obtaining a NZ Electrician Practising Licence. NOTE - work experience is best documented covering similar information to that shown in Schedule 1 of the Electricity Regulations Compilation 2003 – (see attached document). Further information on the Regulations can be found at - www.ess.govt.nz (the Energy Safety Services) web site. The required information can be downloaded free of charge.

2. Complete a provisional licence application, which requires the following:-

- A prospective employer in NZ who can sign the Supervision guidelines section of the application

- "Safety tuition training": - a series of one-day courses will be available (in conjunction with NZIS - London) during the year.

- Obtain a copy of the Supervision Guidelines and sign a declaration stating you have read, understood and will comply with the requirements. (I provide this during the training courses)

3. Once 1 & 2 above are completed, and you are in NZ working under your provisional licence, you will need to complete the practical assessment (called stage 3 practical) and the NZ electrical regulations exam. The exams are run in June and November of each year. Course work, including the practical assessment can be done at night school (Polytech) or on block courses.

After all that, you can apply for Registration and a Practising Licence as an electrician. There a few "fish-hooks", such as the provisional licence is only valid for 12 months from the date of issue and it may take longer than that to arrange to move to NZ. The (very helpful) NZIS people and the EWRB can supply more information.
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alchris and jjthefridge are currently going through this process & if PMd may be able to help .
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if I have caused confusion the only point I really wanted to make is that it takes longer than an afternoon to process any application made, and after talking with the the department official, you would not believe how many applications are put in each week and both employers and applicants expect them to be processed the same/following week. You may have to wait the 12 weeks, with no money coming in, I just wanted to say be prepared for this eventuality. I know on other forums it says you can get a work permit in an afternoon, this may be the case for some? but not for sparkeys/plumbers etc thats where my confusion came in,my fault entirely!!! good luck to all with EOI's in this time
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