Word of advice - IELTS

Old Jul 26th 2005, 2:46 am
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Well, I got my PR a couple of months ago and then I ordered CAIPS just to see how things went. It arrived today and let me tell you, I got mighty surprised at some stuff that CIC did. First of all, they only counted my Canadian experience towards the exp points (Ericsson in Sweden and NASA in USA not good enough for CIC, apparently). The worst thing, however, was that they granted me only 8 points for English. I submitted tons of evidence: the list of my publications, Cambridge Proficiency Certificate, letter from my employer and evidence I worked as a translator - all that crap and the officer assessed my language skills as moderate! I ended up with 78 points anyway (wheee!) but it was a close call at the IA.

So guys, let me reiterate what Andrew and others always say: if you're close to the cutoff, TAKE THE DAMN IELTS! Now in the retrospective I can say I should have taken it. Ignorance is a bliss sometimes...
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Well, I got my PR a couple of months ago and then I ordered CAIPS just to see how things went. It arrived today and let me tell you, I got mighty surprised at some stuff that CIC did. First of all, they only counted my Canadian experience towards the exp points (Ericsson in Sweden and NASA in USA not good enough for CIC, apparently). The worst thing, however, was that they granted me only 8 points for English. I submitted tons of evidence: the list of my publications, Cambridge Proficiency Certificate, letter from my employer and evidence I worked as a translator - all that crap and the officer assessed my language skills as moderate! I ended up with 78 points anyway (wheee!) but it was a close call at the IA.

So guys, let me reiterate what Andrew and others always say: if you're close to the cutoff, TAKE THE DAMN IELTS! Now in the retrospective I can say I should have taken it. Ignorance is a bliss sometimes...
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Just out of interest, are you a native English speaker? You seem to be, so how on earth did they mark you down?
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These Language tests.....
I am English and am not claiming proficiency in any other language, I only ticked basic French so I don't have to do the tests for English or French do I??
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If you are English, born, raised and educated in UK then you should check high proficiency in English on the form and provide substitute evidence, not IELTS test.

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These Language tests.....
I am English and am not claiming proficiency in any other language, I only ticked basic French so I don't have to do the tests for English or French do I??
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Old Jul 27th 2005, 2:50 am
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Ouch......Does it mean all these years I work in the states rendered useless/pointless??? :scared:

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...I got mighty surprised at some stuff that CIC did. First of all, they only counted my Canadian experience towards the exp points (Ericsson in Sweden and NASA in USA not good enough for CIC, apparently). The worst thing, however, was that they granted me only 8 points for English...
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No, I'm not but I've been working professionally with English language for more than 10 years. It never really occurred to me that the evidence I had provided would not be enough for CIC so I skipped the IELTS. This resulted in the IA at 68 so I'm lucky not to have lost many months of waiting time.

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Just out of interest, are you a native English speaker? You seem to be, so how on earth did they mark you down?
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I hope not! I really don't know how they do this at CIC but I provided them with documents which they never verified and simply granted minimum experience points. I guess you should really make sure that CIC got all possible documents about your jobs in the US. Good luck, buddy!

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Exactly. You can work quite efficiently and finish education in US or Canada with moderate English, so fact of working and studying there proves nothing about your proficiency in English above moderate level. If you want 16 points than IELTS with 7.0 or better in all 4 skills is a must.


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Hi Bart

Nice to see you here again !!!
It seems you are quite fluent in English (up to 16 points), but you got less points than me. I got 10 and I am really moderate user, but i took the IELTS and that's the key. In my opinion all proofs of english proficiency (except IELTS) are debatable, no 100% proof - just IELTS.

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Originally Posted by bartM
Well, I got my PR a couple of months ago and then I ordered CAIPS just to see how things went. It arrived today and let me tell you, I got mighty surprised at some stuff that CIC did. First of all, they only counted my Canadian experience towards the exp points (Ericsson in Sweden and NASA in USA not good enough for CIC, apparently). The worst thing, however, was that they granted me only 8 points for English. I submitted tons of evidence: the list of my publications, Cambridge Proficiency Certificate, letter from my employer and evidence I worked as a translator - all that crap and the officer assessed my language skills as moderate! I ended up with 78 points anyway (wheee!) but it was a close call at the IA.

So guys, let me reiterate what Andrew and others always say: if you're close to the cutoff, TAKE THE DAMN IELTS! Now in the retrospective I can say I should have taken it. Ignorance is a bliss sometimes...
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Originally Posted by ABW
Ouch......Does it mean all these years I work in the states rendered useless/pointless??? :scared:
Without ielts score the visa processing officer can decide on his own what
level of english you know and give you points accordingly.

Well with ielts score he is has to use that score results instead of his discretion. So it secures yoru score.

so unless you belong to an english speaking country (grew up there )
it is better to take the test.

Lately buffalo is asking people to take tests instead of those subjective evidences
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The original poster mentioned "I got mighty surprised at some stuff that CIC did. First of all, they only counted my Canadian experience towards the exp points (Ericsson in Sweden and NASA in USA not good enough for CIC, apparently)."

I am sorry I should clarify my question. I was panic reading the original poster.
My IELTS score is all above 7. So in theory, I should get 16 in the English proficiency. Nonetheless, my work experience should count on the Factor Three: Experience (Six Selection Factors and Pass Mark), shouldn't it?


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Exactly. You can work quite efficiently and finish education in US or Canada with moderate English, so fact of working and studying there proves nothing about your proficiency in English above moderate level. If you want 16 points than IELTS with 7.0 or better in all 4 skills is a must.
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Not in theory - if you submitted IELTS with 7.0 or better in each skill then you will get 16 points, there is no dsicretion allowed when it comes to IELTS results.

Work experience will be counted if the following are met:

- conclusive and verifiable letters of reference stating at least period of employment, position, duties, salary and number of hours per week worked are submitted, including busness card of person signing it

- if the above is verified and/or documented in other acceptable form

- experience is in one or more of skilled occupations (NOC matrix skills level 0, A and B)

- experience is a paid one


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The original poster mentioned "I got mighty surprised at some stuff that CIC did. First of all, they only counted my Canadian experience towards the exp points (Ericsson in Sweden and NASA in USA not good enough for CIC, apparently)."

I am sorry I should clarify my question. I was panic reading the original poster.
My IELTS score is all above 7. So in theory, I should get 16 in the English proficiency. Nonetheless, my work experience should count on the Factor Three: Experience (Six Selection Factors and Pass Mark), shouldn't it?
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Old Jul 27th 2005, 7:07 pm
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Exactly what they got from me. Paid experience, letter of employment and business cards. While NASA thing was slightly less than a year, I worked at Ericsson for more than that (and I was not cleaning floors there). There is no mention of this job in my CAIPS and I know they never phoned my ex-boss. It really doesn't matter for me now, but it shows that CIC makes mistakes.

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Not in theory - if you submitted IELTS with 7.0 or better in each skill then you will get 16 points, there is no dsicretion allowed when it comes to IELTS results.

Work experience will be counted if the following are met:

- conclusive and verifiable letters of reference stating at least period of employment, position, duties, salary and number of hours per week worked are submitted, including busness card of person signing it

- if the above is verified and/or documented in other acceptable form

- experience is in one or more of skilled occupations (NOC matrix skills level 0, A and B)

- experience is a paid one
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Hi Mirek,

Good thing you took IELTS, now I really recommend it for all my friends that want to get to Canada. How's your IA going?

Take care and powodzenia,

Bart

Originally Posted by mirekj
Hi Bart

Nice to see you here again !!!
It seems you are quite fluent in English (up to 16 points), but you got less points than me. I got 10 and I am really moderate user, but i took the IELTS and that's the key. In my opinion all proofs of english proficiency (except IELTS) are debatable, no 100% proof - just IELTS.

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