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Why telling to Truth sometime get you Visa Denied?

Old Oct 6th 2003, 12:57 am
  #1  
Faisal Khan
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Default Why telling to Truth sometime get you Visa Denied?

Hello

I need some legal experts to help me understand why the Canadian Legal
System seems to force people to LIE
And have more crimes arriving in Canada?

I have 3 small businesses in IT and one of them is a training
facility. Due to bad economy, our Training business was not doing
well and we would've almost go bankrupt. We then turned in to
International students.
Often we recruit International students from India, Bangladesh and
Pakistan as well as Mexico. We run 3 batches a year and averagely so
far, we were able to get 10 to 30 students per batch with tuition fee
of $10,000 per year. We were not success in getting local students
due to economy.

During our business conducts, we often noticed that legitimate
students often get denied visa by simply telling the truth. Truth as
such answering yes if you were asks "Whether you will return to your
home after your studies...” Saying yes guaranteed 100% visa
denied. Saying No will increase your chance by 50%. Yet these
students will qualify for immigration under Point System, which Canada
is trying to bring students.

Another thing we noticed is that International student often neglects
to say that they have relatives in Canada. These relative can play
vital role to their education. Soon as you mention you have
relatives, it seems that 100% of them have been rejecting in fear that
they will not return to home. Isn't Canada trying to bring more
skills worker? If so wouldn't it be better if such workers are those
who have studied in this country. Anyway, that beats me for sure.


Another think that I don’t understand about Canada's Business
Immigration. It seems that amount of money u need to bring as a
self-employed or business owner...something like Net Worth of $300,000
Dollar. In a country like India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and even China
where major skilled immigrants are from, often don’t have that
much money. Only people on those countries who can justify are those
who are in big business or Criminals.

Now people in Big business do not want to migrate to this country.
After all, if you have money, there is nothing better place then
living in India, Bangladesh or Pakistan. You will live like a king.
If you don’t have money but willing ness to work hard for it,
guess what chances are you wont' qualify.

It seems that often, Criminals are coming to this country with their
$300,000 net worth is migrating here. I have nothing against it as
long as they don’t cause any problem in this country.

These issues do not apply to all the people who come here. But during
our business, we noticed such. So we are not sure why it is...


Is it wise for a student to say that they have relatives in Canada?
How would a student answer when ask if they will return to their home
land?
Or what would be the response to the Interviewer when they say...."I
don’t think you will return to your home, therefore I will not
give visa"

Students from those nations can work extremely hard even harder then
any Canadian. We noticed that first hand. But it is so sad to see
how this things work.

Eventually, all students who are studying here will ultimately stay
here but I just don’t get why legitimate students often get
denied just because Interviewer things he might now return

Just some concerns.

This email is not to disrespect Canada or its System but rather for a
discussion to why be this happening to get some understanding.

Thanks in advance to those who reply.

Kuldip
 
Old Oct 6th 2003, 2:17 am
  #2  
S B
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faisal khan wrote:

    > During our business conducts, we often noticed that legitimate
    > students often get denied visa by simply telling the truth. Truth as
    > such answering yes if you were asks "Whether you will return to your
    > home after your studies...” Saying yes guaranteed 100% visa
    > denied. Saying No will increase your chance by 50%. Yet these
    > students will qualify for immigration under Point System, which Canada
    > is trying to bring students.
    >
    > Another thing we noticed is that International student often neglects
    > to say that they have relatives in Canada. These relative can play
    > vital role to their education. Soon as you mention you have
    > relatives, it seems that 100% of them have been rejecting in fear that
    > they will not return to home. Isn't Canada trying to bring more
    > skills worker? If so wouldn't it be better if such workers are those
    > who have studied in this country. Anyway, that beats me for sure.


The answer to this part is simple ... Skilled worker immigration and
visitor visas (for student or whatever purpose) are entirely separate
matters of immigration policy and law. The requirement for a visitor
visa is that you prove that you will depart from Canada. A person on a
visitor visa must not have any obvious intention at the time of
obtaining a visa, and at the time of entry into Canada of immigrant
intent.
 
Old Oct 6th 2003, 11:53 am
  #3  
Adrian Stoica
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Default Re: Why telling to Truth sometime get you Visa Denied?

Some people will try to use student visas to stay here illegally, and
sometimes with scary intentions. You may be aware of that group of
Pakistanis planning to crash a plane into the Pickering nuclear power
station - most of them were enrolled at a fake private university which
didn't have any courses going on, its single purpose in life being procuring
student visas for otherwise inadmissible people.

"faisal khan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Hello
    > I need some legal experts to help me understand why the Canadian Legal
    > System seems to force people to LIE
    > And have more crimes arriving in Canada?
    > I have 3 small businesses in IT and one of them is a training
    > facility. Due to bad economy, our Training business was not doing
    > well and we would've almost go bankrupt. We then turned in to
    > International students.
    > Often we recruit International students from India, Bangladesh and
    > Pakistan as well as Mexico. We run 3 batches a year and averagely so
    > far, we were able to get 10 to 30 students per batch with tuition fee
    > of $10,000 per year. We were not success in getting local students
    > due to economy.
    > During our business conducts, we often noticed that legitimate
    > students often get denied visa by simply telling the truth. Truth as
    > such answering yes if you were asks "Whether you will return to your
    > home after your studies...” Saying yes guaranteed 100% visa
    > denied. Saying No will increase your chance by 50%. Yet these
    > students will qualify for immigration under Point System, which Canada
    > is trying to bring students.
    > Another thing we noticed is that International student often neglects
    > to say that they have relatives in Canada. These relative can play
    > vital role to their education. Soon as you mention you have
    > relatives, it seems that 100% of them have been rejecting in fear that
    > they will not return to home. Isn't Canada trying to bring more
    > skills worker? If so wouldn't it be better if such workers are those
    > who have studied in this country. Anyway, that beats me for sure.
    > Another think that I don’t understand about Canada's Business
    > Immigration. It seems that amount of money u need to bring as a
    > self-employed or business owner...something like Net Worth of $300,000
    > Dollar. In a country like India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and even China
    > where major skilled immigrants are from, often don’t have that
    > much money. Only people on those countries who can justify are those
    > who are in big business or Criminals.
    > Now people in Big business do not want to migrate to this country.
    > After all, if you have money, there is nothing better place then
    > living in India, Bangladesh or Pakistan. You will live like a king.
    > If you don’t have money but willing ness to work hard for it,
    > guess what chances are you wont' qualify.
    > It seems that often, Criminals are coming to this country with their
    > $300,000 net worth is migrating here. I have nothing against it as
    > long as they don’t cause any problem in this country.
    > These issues do not apply to all the people who come here. But during
    > our business, we noticed such. So we are not sure why it is...
    > Is it wise for a student to say that they have relatives in Canada?
    > How would a student answer when ask if they will return to their home
    > land?
    > Or what would be the response to the Interviewer when they say...."I
    > don’t think you will return to your home, therefore I will not
    > give visa"
    > Students from those nations can work extremely hard even harder then
    > any Canadian. We noticed that first hand. But it is so sad to see
    > how this things work.
    > Eventually, all students who are studying here will ultimately stay
    > here but I just don’t get why legitimate students often get
    > denied just because Interviewer things he might now return
    > Just some concerns.
    > This email is not to disrespect Canada or its System but rather for a
    > discussion to why be this happening to get some understanding.
    > Thanks in advance to those who reply.
    > Kuldip
 
Old Oct 7th 2003, 5:21 am
  #4  
Benaam
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Adrian
For heaven's sake read some newspapers before you make ridiculous
statements like someone trying to crash a plane in pickring.
The so called "suspected terroism" were dropped against the whole
group almost two weeks ago.Many have been ordered released already.
it is true that many peopel take the easy way of getting a student
visa to bypass immigration process the question why the hell do WE let
them do it?
Thats what Kuldip is asking.
We let these people come in on student visas, let them overstay and
even apply for immigration from within canada and then cry foul!
Kuldip I don't have a direct answer fro you pal but things are
changing now. Hopefully Canadian govt will broaden its field of vision
to understand that only "students" with thounsands and thousands of $
in their poor native countries are either kids of big businessmen or
are plain criminals.


If you read what Kuldip is writing you will also understand
"Adrian Stoica" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
    > Some people will try to use student visas to stay here illegally, and
    > sometimes with scary intentions. You may be aware of that group of
    > Pakistanis planning to crash a plane into the Pickering nuclear power
    > station - most of them were enrolled at a fake private university which
    > didn't have any courses going on, its single purpose in life being procuring
    > student visas for otherwise inadmissible people.
    >
    > "faisal khan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Hello
    > >
    > > I need some legal experts to help me understand why the Canadian Legal
    > > System seems to force people to LIE
    > > And have more crimes arriving in Canada?
    > >
    > > I have 3 small businesses in IT and one of them is a training
    > > facility. Due to bad economy, our Training business was not doing
    > > well and we would've almost go bankrupt. We then turned in to
    > > International students.
    > > Often we recruit International students from India, Bangladesh and
    > > Pakistan as well as Mexico. We run 3 batches a year and averagely so
    > > far, we were able to get 10 to 30 students per batch with tuition fee
    > > of $10,000 per year. We were not success in getting local students
    > > due to economy.
    > >
    > > During our business conducts, we often noticed that legitimate
    > > students often get denied visa by simply telling the truth. Truth as
    > > such answering yes if you were asks "Whether you will return to your
    > > home after your studies...” Saying yes guaranteed 100% visa
    > > denied. Saying No will increase your chance by 50%. Yet these
    > > students will qualify for immigration under Point System, which Canada
    > > is trying to bring students.
    > >
    > > Another thing we noticed is that International student often neglects
    > > to say that they have relatives in Canada. These relative can play
    > > vital role to their education. Soon as you mention you have
    > > relatives, it seems that 100% of them have been rejecting in fear that
    > > they will not return to home. Isn't Canada trying to bring more
    > > skills worker? If so wouldn't it be better if such workers are those
    > > who have studied in this country. Anyway, that beats me for sure.
    > >
    > >
    > > Another think that I don’t understand about Canada's Business
    > > Immigration. It seems that amount of money u need to bring as a
    > > self-employed or business owner...something like Net Worth of $300,000
    > > Dollar. In a country like India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and even China
    > > where major skilled immigrants are from, often don’t have that
    > > much money. Only people on those countries who can justify are those
    > > who are in big business or Criminals.
    > >
    > > Now people in Big business do not want to migrate to this country.
    > > After all, if you have money, there is nothing better place then
    > > living in India, Bangladesh or Pakistan. You will live like a king.
    > > If you don’t have money but willing ness to work hard for it,
    > > guess what chances are you wont' qualify.
    > >
    > > It seems that often, Criminals are coming to this country with their
    > > $300,000 net worth is migrating here. I have nothing against it as
    > > long as they don’t cause any problem in this country.
    > >
    > > These issues do not apply to all the people who come here. But during
    > > our business, we noticed such. So we are not sure why it is...
    > >
    > >
    > > Is it wise for a student to say that they have relatives in Canada?
    > > How would a student answer when ask if they will return to their home
    > > land?
    > > Or what would be the response to the Interviewer when they say...."I
    > > don’t think you will return to your home, therefore I will not
    > > give visa"
    > >
    > > Students from those nations can work extremely hard even harder then
    > > any Canadian. We noticed that first hand. But it is so sad to see
    > > how this things work.
    > >
    > > Eventually, all students who are studying here will ultimately stay
    > > here but I just don’t get why legitimate students often get
    > > denied just because Interviewer things he might now return
    > >
    > > Just some concerns.
    > >
    > > This email is not to disrespect Canada or its System but rather for a
    > > discussion to why be this happening to get some understanding.
    > >
    > > Thanks in advance to those who reply.
    > >
    > > Kuldip
 
Old Oct 7th 2003, 1:08 pm
  #5  
Adrian Stoica
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I don't know what the India Times says, but here is the original CBC news
item
http://toronto.cbc.ca/regional/servl...rprobe20030903.
Terrorism charges have been dropped in 2 out of the 21 cases because of
insufficient evidence, but last I heard all of these guys were still held in
a maximum security prison, which suggests that this is not simply about
immigration fraud (it's several times more expensive that the Hilton, for
one thing). I would feel much better to know that you are right, though.

"benaam" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Adrian
    > For heaven's sake read some newspapers before you make ridiculous
    > statements like someone trying to crash a plane in pickring.
    > The so called "suspected terroism" were dropped against the whole
    > group almost two weeks ago.Many have been ordered released already.
    > it is true that many peopel take the easy way of getting a student
    > visa to bypass immigration process the question why the hell do WE let
    > them do it?
    > Thats what Kuldip is asking.
    > We let these people come in on student visas, let them overstay and
    > even apply for immigration from within canada and then cry foul!
    > Kuldip I don't have a direct answer fro you pal but things are
    > changing now. Hopefully Canadian govt will broaden its field of vision
    > to understand that only "students" with thounsands and thousands of $
    > in their poor native countries are either kids of big businessmen or
    > are plain criminals.
    > If you read what Kuldip is writing you will also understand
    > "Adrian Stoica" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>. ..
    > > Some people will try to use student visas to stay here illegally, and
    > > sometimes with scary intentions. You may be aware of that group of
    > > Pakistanis planning to crash a plane into the Pickering nuclear power
    > > station - most of them were enrolled at a fake private university which
    > > didn't have any courses going on, its single purpose in life being
procuring
    > > student visas for otherwise inadmissible people.
    > >
    > > "faisal khan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > Hello
    > > >
    > > > I need some legal experts to help me understand why the Canadian Legal
    > > > System seems to force people to LIE
    > > > And have more crimes arriving in Canada?
    > > >
    > > > I have 3 small businesses in IT and one of them is a training
    > > > facility. Due to bad economy, our Training business was not doing
    > > > well and we would've almost go bankrupt. We then turned in to
    > > > International students.
    > > > Often we recruit International students from India, Bangladesh and
    > > > Pakistan as well as Mexico. We run 3 batches a year and averagely so
    > > > far, we were able to get 10 to 30 students per batch with tuition fee
    > > > of $10,000 per year. We were not success in getting local students
    > > > due to economy.
    > > >
    > > > During our business conducts, we often noticed that legitimate
    > > > students often get denied visa by simply telling the truth. Truth as
    > > > such answering yes if you were asks "Whether you will return to your
    > > > home after your studies...” Saying yes guaranteed 100% visa
    > > > denied. Saying No will increase your chance by 50%. Yet these
    > > > students will qualify for immigration under Point System, which Canada
    > > > is trying to bring students.
    > > >
    > > > Another thing we noticed is that International student often neglects
    > > > to say that they have relatives in Canada. These relative can play
    > > > vital role to their education. Soon as you mention you have
    > > > relatives, it seems that 100% of them have been rejecting in fear that
    > > > they will not return to home. Isn't Canada trying to bring more
    > > > skills worker? If so wouldn't it be better if such workers are those
    > > > who have studied in this country. Anyway, that beats me for sure.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Another think that I don’t understand about Canada's Business
    > > > Immigration. It seems that amount of money u need to bring as a
    > > > self-employed or business owner...something like Net Worth of $300,000
    > > > Dollar. In a country like India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and even China
    > > > where major skilled immigrants are from, often don’t have that
    > > > much money. Only people on those countries who can justify are those
    > > > who are in big business or Criminals.
    > > >
    > > > Now people in Big business do not want to migrate to this country.
    > > > After all, if you have money, there is nothing better place then
    > > > living in India, Bangladesh or Pakistan. You will live like a king.
    > > > If you don’t have money but willing ness to work hard for it,
    > > > guess what chances are you wont' qualify.
    > > >
    > > > It seems that often, Criminals are coming to this country with their
    > > > $300,000 net worth is migrating here. I have nothing against it as
    > > > long as they don’t cause any problem in this country.
    > > >
    > > > These issues do not apply to all the people who come here. But during
    > > > our business, we noticed such. So we are not sure why it is...
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Is it wise for a student to say that they have relatives in Canada?
    > > > How would a student answer when ask if they will return to their home
    > > > land?
    > > > Or what would be the response to the Interviewer when they say...."I
    > > > don’t think you will return to your home, therefore I will not
    > > > give visa"
    > > >
    > > > Students from those nations can work extremely hard even harder then
    > > > any Canadian. We noticed that first hand. But it is so sad to see
    > > > how this things work.
    > > >
    > > > Eventually, all students who are studying here will ultimately stay
    > > > here but I just don’t get why legitimate students often get
    > > > denied just because Interviewer things he might now return
    > > >
    > > > Just some concerns.
    > > >
    > > > This email is not to disrespect Canada or its System but rather for a
    > > > discussion to why be this happening to get some understanding.
    > > >
    > > > Thanks in advance to those who reply.
    > > >
    > > > Kuldip
 
Old Oct 8th 2003, 12:48 am
  #6  
Benaam
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Adrian
The Toronto Star is NOT india times!!
Hoe this will make syou feel better
http://www.thestar.ca/NASApp/cs/Cont...=1064527812355

And by the way, if you want to what really happened in th end, read
The Dawn newspaper online from Pakistan. I bet all these guys except
one or two may be will be sent out on a jet (paid by Canadian tax
payers) without any hint in local media.




"Adrian Stoica" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]> ...
    > I don't know what the India Times says, but here is the original CBC news
    > item
    > http://toronto.cbc.ca/regional/servl...rprobe20030903.
    > Terrorism charges have been dropped in 2 out of the 21 cases because of
    > insufficient evidence, but last I heard all of these guys were still held in
    > a maximum security prison, which suggests that this is not simply about
    > immigration fraud (it's several times more expensive that the Hilton, for
    > one thing). I would feel much better to know that you are right, though.
    >
    > "benaam" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Adrian
    > > For heaven's sake read some newspapers before you make ridiculous
    > > statements like someone trying to crash a plane in pickring.
    > > The so called "suspected terroism" were dropped against the whole
    > > group almost two weeks ago.Many have been ordered released already.
    > > it is true that many peopel take the easy way of getting a student
    > > visa to bypass immigration process the question why the hell do WE let
    > > them do it?
    > > Thats what Kuldip is asking.
    > > We let these people come in on student visas, let them overstay and
    > > even apply for immigration from within canada and then cry foul!
    > > Kuldip I don't have a direct answer fro you pal but things are
    > > changing now. Hopefully Canadian govt will broaden its field of vision
    > > to understand that only "students" with thounsands and thousands of $
    > > in their poor native countries are either kids of big businessmen or
    > > are plain criminals.
    > >
    > >
    > > If you read what Kuldip is writing you will also understand
    > > "Adrian Stoica" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:<[email protected]>. ..
    > > > Some people will try to use student visas to stay here illegally, and
    > > > sometimes with scary intentions. You may be aware of that group of
    > > > Pakistanis planning to crash a plane into the Pickering nuclear power
    > > > station - most of them were enrolled at a fake private university which
    > > > didn't have any courses going on, its single purpose in life being
    > procuring
    > > > student visas for otherwise inadmissible people.
    > > >
    > > > "faisal khan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > Hello
    > > > >
    > > > > I need some legal experts to help me understand why the Canadian Legal
    > > > > System seems to force people to LIE
    > > > > And have more crimes arriving in Canada?
    > > > >
    > > > > I have 3 small businesses in IT and one of them is a training
    > > > > facility. Due to bad economy, our Training business was not doing
    > > > > well and we would've almost go bankrupt. We then turned in to
    > > > > International students.
    > > > > Often we recruit International students from India, Bangladesh and
    > > > > Pakistan as well as Mexico. We run 3 batches a year and averagely so
    > > > > far, we were able to get 10 to 30 students per batch with tuition fee
    > > > > of $10,000 per year. We were not success in getting local students
    > > > > due to economy.
    > > > >
    > > > > During our business conducts, we often noticed that legitimate
    > > > > students often get denied visa by simply telling the truth. Truth as
    > > > > such answering yes if you were asks "Whether you will return to your
    > > > > home after your studies...” Saying yes guaranteed 100% visa
    > > > > denied. Saying No will increase your chance by 50%. Yet these
    > > > > students will qualify for immigration under Point System, which Canada
    > > > > is trying to bring students.
    > > > >
    > > > > Another thing we noticed is that International student often neglects
    > > > > to say that they have relatives in Canada. These relative can play
    > > > > vital role to their education. Soon as you mention you have
    > > > > relatives, it seems that 100% of them have been rejecting in fear that
    > > > > they will not return to home. Isn't Canada trying to bring more
    > > > > skills worker? If so wouldn't it be better if such workers are those
    > > > > who have studied in this country. Anyway, that beats me for sure.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > Another think that I don’t understand about Canada's Business
    > > > > Immigration. It seems that amount of money u need to bring as a
    > > > > self-employed or business owner...something like Net Worth of $300,000
    > > > > Dollar. In a country like India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and even China
    > > > > where major skilled immigrants are from, often don’t have that
    > > > > much money. Only people on those countries who can justify are those
    > > > > who are in big business or Criminals.
    > > > >
    > > > > Now people in Big business do not want to migrate to this country.
    > > > > After all, if you have money, there is nothing better place then
    > > > > living in India, Bangladesh or Pakistan. You will live like a king.
    > > > > If you don’t have money but willing ness to work hard for it,
    > > > > guess what chances are you wont' qualify.
    > > > >
    > > > > It seems that often, Criminals are coming to this country with their
    > > > > $300,000 net worth is migrating here. I have nothing against it as
    > > > > long as they don’t cause any problem in this country.
    > > > >
    > > > > These issues do not apply to all the people who come here. But during
    > > > > our business, we noticed such. So we are not sure why it is...
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > Is it wise for a student to say that they have relatives in Canada?
    > > > > How would a student answer when ask if they will return to their home
    > > > > land?
    > > > > Or what would be the response to the Interviewer when they say...."I
    > > > > don’t think you will return to your home, therefore I will not
    > > > > give visa"
    > > > >
    > > > > Students from those nations can work extremely hard even harder then
    > > > > any Canadian. We noticed that first hand. But it is so sad to see
    > > > > how this things work.
    > > > >
    > > > > Eventually, all students who are studying here will ultimately stay
    > > > > here but I just don’t get why legitimate students often get
    > > > > denied just because Interviewer things he might now return
    > > > >
    > > > > Just some concerns.
    > > > >
    > > > > This email is not to disrespect Canada or its System but rather for a
    > > > > discussion to why be this happening to get some understanding.
    > > > >
    > > > > Thanks in advance to those who reply.
    > > > >
    > > > > Kuldip
 

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