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Old Oct 13th 2016, 1:32 am
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Hi there,

I am brand new to this forum and brand new to the possibility of moving abroad. My husband, 2 children and I are looking to live and work in Canada, permanently.

I've tried the eligibility checklist and no matter what I type it just keeps saying i'm not eligible. I have family in Canada, I have a degree and plenty of work experience. We're looking to move to Ontario.

Where do we start with this? Is it best to go through a Lawyer or one of these agencies? If I do use an agency, how do I know they are legitimate and how much should I expect to pay?

Thanks in advance
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Old Oct 13th 2016, 2:14 am
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Hi, welcome to BE.

Can you tell us what answers you're putting in to the eligibility questionnaire? Common reasons for it saying not eligible are if you say you haven't got an IELTS result, or ECA (both are mandatory for most visa routes), or if you don't have enough funds (you'd need at least $22603 in your bank account).

So if you're putting something that isn't as per the above, try changing it and see what it then says. If it says you're eligible to enter the Express Entry pool, then you'll need to check your points score on the Comprehensive Ranking System (here - Comprehensive Ranking System (CRS) - tool) and make sure you're scoring at least 460-480 to be in with a chance.

No need for a consultant or lawyer unless you have complicated circumstances (criminal record, medical issues etc), most on the forum do it themselves, but whatever you do, if you do decide to use somebody make sure it's not a 'visa agency'! Usually they're not great, you'd need a proper lawyer or licensed consultant.

HTH a bit.
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Thank you so much, that's really helpful.

So, do I/we need to sit one of these tests before even thinking about applying?

No, we've no complicated circumstances so no need for an agency then. Good to know! Thanks.

Is the most common route the Express Entry route?

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So, do I/we need to sit one of these tests before even thinking about applying?
No, not for just thinking about it. But you can't actually apply without one, so if you're saying you don't have one, then it will instantly tell you you're not eligible. So just answer it as if you've done the test and hopefully it should give you an eligible result.

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Is the most common route the Express Entry route?
Yes, unless you have something like a Canadian relative that can sponsor you etc, then it's really the only route for most. But a lot have to go over on temporary work permits first as they don't score enough on the CRS to get selected and invited for PR without a job offer, but once you've checked your eligibility and score then you'll know more about whether you need a job offer or not.

HTH, best of luck.
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Great. Thank you very much. It really is very much appreciated.
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One more question. Sorry, I really am very new to this.

It seems to take just 5 weeks to process temporary applications. So, does it strengthen a temporary application if you have a job offer? Should we be thinking about applying for jobs before getting an answer re the application?

Just not sure what to do first. Thanks again.
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One more question. Sorry, I really am very new to this.

It seems to take just 5 weeks to process temporary applications. So, does it strengthen a temporary application if you have a job offer? Should we be thinking about applying for jobs before getting an answer re the application?

Just not sure what to do first. Thanks again.
What kind of temporary application are you looking at? I can't think of something that would take 5 weeks and be relevant to you?

But if you're talking about a Temporary Work Permit (which you'd usually just get at the airport when you arrive, no wait time needed), you can't apply without (a) a written job offer; and (b) a LMIA. The LMIA is something the employer has to apply for to prove that they have advertised the job across Canada and been unable to find a Canadian willing, or able, to do the job. It costs them $1000 and usually takes 2 weeks to 3 months to get.

So for a temp work permit, yes, you'd need a job offer or you're not eligible (and a LMIA as mentioned above).

Does that help? If you're looking at another kind of temporary visa then let us know the type or name of it and we can help you figure it out hopefully.

P.S. No need to apologies for the questions, that's what the forum is here for!
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Ok, so in order for me to apply for a temp work permit for more than 6 months I need to have a job offer and a letter proving the employer couldn't get a Canadian to fill the job?

Is that right?

I've seen a couple of jobs online I'm drawn to but I guess with this rule, it makes things quite difficult?
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Ok, so in order for me to apply for a temp work permit for more than 6 months I need to have a job offer and a letter proving the employer couldn't get a Canadian to fill the job?
A temp work permit for any duration, yes, not just more than 6 months. As you've mentioned 6 months it sounds like you're looking at Temporary Resident Visas, is that right? That's a different thing entirely from Temp Work Permits, assuming you are a UK citizen a Temp Residency Visa isn't relevant to you anyway.

UK citizens don't need a visa to just visit Canada, as we are visa exempt, so you can visit without one. You only need a visa to live in Canada either temporarily (such as the Temp Work Permit mentioned above) or permanently. If you just want to visit for a holiday, no visa is required.

As for LMIA's/TWP's being difficult, it depends on what you do and how specialist your skills are. What do you and/or your husband do? And you might not need one anyway, you might be eligible for Permanent Residency straight away without a job offer - it will depend on your CRS score as mentioned above, have you done that test yet to see what it would be roughly?

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Yes we are UK citizens. We both work with young people. He works in residential care and I work in community settings. My work is education but I am not a teacher.

I need to do the test asap so I'll get onto that.

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Hi again,

I took the test and had to make up the answers for the language tests. I put in the highest scores but we don't score highly enough overall.

Ideally we'd like to move to Canada permanently but it looks very much like we'll have to go down the temporary route to start with. From what I can see online, it looks like this can last for up to 4 years. Is that right?

Is it best to just to take the IELTS test and start applying for jobs then? If I/we got offered a job, it's a case of getting the permit at the airport? Can my family move with me if I get offered a job and have savings in the bank?

Does the LMIA not put employers off from hiring people who are not Canadians if it costs them time and money?

Thank you again
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Originally Posted by Cici123
Hi again,

I took the test and had to make up the answers for the language tests. I put in the highest scores but we don't score highly enough overall.

Ideally we'd like to move to Canada permanently but it looks very much like we'll have to go down the temporary route to start with. From what I can see online, it looks like this can last for up to 4 years. Is that right?

Is it best to just to take the IELTS test and start applying for jobs then? If I/we got offered a job, it's a case of getting the permit at the airport? Can my family move with me if I get offered a job and have savings in the bank?

Does the LMIA not put employers off from hiring people who are not Canadians if it costs them time and money?

Thank you again
The LMIA certainly does put employers off. Not just because of the cost, but also the time involved. Bringing in an employee from abroad seems to be very much the last resort these days and is only done - or even allowed - if no Canadian or Permanent Resident is available. You could come as visitors for 6 months. You just wouldn't be allowed to work
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I did wonder. Ok, thanks for that. Am I right in thinking then, the best way is for me to ask my relatives to sponsor me?
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I did wonder. Ok, thanks for that. Am I right in thinking then, the best way is for me to ask my relatives to sponsor me?
Your relatives wouldn't be eligible to sponsor you as you are married with kids. You aren't a dependent child, and you can't be sponsored by an extended family member except in very specific circumstances and you don't meet those.

You'll have to qualify on your own merits.

The other option is to get accepted for a study program in Canada. A study visa would allow you to work 20 hours a week, and the spouse would be able to get an open work permit (I think - someone correct me if I'm wrong) for the duration of your study. You can then work on a route to staying permanently. However, this is an incredibly expensive option as international student tuition fees are pretty steep. But it might be another option to consider. (You'll get extra points on your Express Entry score if you have Canadian work experience.)
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Thanks so much. I really appreciate this.
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