Utopia?

Old Nov 10th 2003, 11:38 am
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Hi



Please refer me to FAQs if the following sounds all too familiar. I tried
the 2 FAQ URLs
(http://members.tripod.com/~gokce/mis...nada-FAQe.html &
http://members.tripod.com/~gokce/mis...anada-faq.html) suggested
in a recently re-posted message but they were both dead.



I'm planning to apply for permanent resident status/visa with the intention
of immigrating in 2-3 years. Basically, I'm fed up with the ugly, expensive,
overcrowded, run-down, clapped-out UK & I want to jump ship before we
finally reach third world status. I spent a couple of happy months in
southern BC and Alberta a few years ago & I'm thinking Vancouver (area) is
the place for me.



What I don't want is to go through the trauma & upheaval only to find that
Canada (& Vancouver, in particular) has no more to offer than Britain. The
sort of things that are important to me are, I suppose, old-fashioned
values; community spirit, friendly & considerate neighbours, low crime rates
(petty anti-social behaviour such graffiti, yobbishness, rudeness - as well
as the serious stuff like mugging & burglary). I would like to find great
improvements on the main miseries of living in Britain - high cost of living
(e.g. someone mentioned that petrol was C$2 a gallon & thought that was
high - ours equates to about C$7 a gallon! And our "sales tax" - called
"value-added tax & charged on just about everything - is 17.5%!), uneven
work-life balance, appallingly unreliable public transport, constant traffic
jams & congestion, litter & pollution, the "me first", dog-eat-dog
selfishness that was born in the Margaret Thatcher era & continues, all
pervasive, in our society, a healthcare system that is falling apart, etc.
All this is topped off by the fact that the housing market has gone insane
in the last few years &, as I work in education, I cannot (& have no
prospect of being able to) afford to get a mortgage on even a small flat.



Sorry, didn't mean for this to turn into a rant. In summary, Britain, today,
has very to recommend it & as far as I can see, it isn't going to get
significantly better in my life time. I realise it may sound like I am
expecting a utopia but that is not the case. I am just looking for an
environment & lifestyle that are a significant improvement in the key areas
I have noted. Does Vancouver fit the bill?



I would particularly like to hear from migrants from Britain to the
Vancouver area. Any & all experiences (good & bad). What you like & what you
miss. Would you do the same again or has the dream failed to live up to
expectations?



Thanks for your attention.



Rob
 
Old Nov 10th 2003, 12:41 pm
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Hey Rob - Coming from UK myself and lived in Calgary (Alberta) for 3
years, I am going to break up your post and give my 0.2c Sorry I
can't give a more Vancouveresque response.

    > What I don't want is to go through the trauma & upheaval only to find that
    > Canada (& Vancouver, in particular) has no more to offer than Britain. The
    > sort of things that are important to me are, I suppose, old-fashioned
    > values; community spirit, friendly & considerate neighbours, low crime rates
    > (petty anti-social behaviour such graffiti, yobbishness, rudeness - as well
    > as the serious stuff like mugging & burglary).

I can't speak for Vancouver, but Calgary has two out of the three values
you stated - Community and friendly/considerate Neighbours. Sadly,
Calgary is not immune to scum, and we have shootings and stabbings on a
seemingly daily basis. On the bright side, the gunmen are a very poor
shot and rarely kill anybody when they open fire.


    > I would like to find great
    > improvements on the main miseries of living in Britain - high cost of living
    > (e.g. someone mentioned that petrol was C$2 a gallon & thought that was
    > high - ours equates to about C$7 a gallon! And our "sales tax" - called
    > "value-added tax & charged on just about everything - is 17.5%!), uneven
    > work-life balance, appallingly unreliable public transport, constant traffic
    > jams & congestion, litter & pollution, the "me first", dog-eat-dog
    > selfishness that was born in the Margaret Thatcher era & continues, all
    > pervasive, in our society, a healthcare system that is falling apart, etc.
    > All this is topped off by the fact that the housing market has gone insane
    > in the last few years &, as I work in education, I cannot (& have no
    > prospect of being able to) afford to get a mortgage on even a small flat.

Houses are much more accessible to lower earners in Calgary, and you
don't have to be a millionaire to buy a really nice house. All I'd say
is don't knock the UK NHS too much yet until you have tried out the
local hospitals in Canada. Back to the houses - yes - if you want a
house, Canada is for you! Just get in soon, because our prices are on
the rise too (very fast!).


    > Sorry, didn't mean for this to turn into a rant. In summary, Britain, today,
    > has very to recommend it & as far as I can see, it isn't going to get
    > significantly better in my life time. I realise it may sound like I am
    > expecting a utopia but that is not the case. I am just looking for an
    > environment & lifestyle that are a significant improvement in the key areas
    > I have noted. Does Vancouver fit the bill?

Try it... you don't have much to lose. If it's that bad, nobody will
force you to stay. Just watch out for car insurance.. just one example
of the things that _are_ more expensive in Canada!



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Old Nov 11th 2003, 1:19 am
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Can't disagree with your UK experiences/observations!

Originally posted by Rob
Hi



Please refer me to FAQs if the following sounds all too familiar. I tried
the 2 FAQ URLs
(http://members.tripod.com/~gokce/mis...nada-FAQe.html &
http://members.tripod.com/~gokce/mis...anada-faq.html) suggested
in a recently re-posted message but they were both dead.



I'm planning to apply for permanent resident status/visa with the intention
of immigrating in 2-3 years. Basically, I'm fed up with the ugly, expensive,
overcrowded, run-down, clapped-out UK & I want to jump ship before we
finally reach third world status. I spent a couple of happy months in
southern BC and Alberta a few years ago & I'm thinking Vancouver (area) is
the place for me.



What I don't want is to go through the trauma & upheaval only to find that
Canada (& Vancouver, in particular) has no more to offer than Britain. The
sort of things that are important to me are, I suppose, old-fashioned
values; community spirit, friendly & considerate neighbours, low crime rates
(petty anti-social behaviour such graffiti, yobbishness, rudeness - as well
as the serious stuff like mugging & burglary). I would like to find great
improvements on the main miseries of living in Britain - high cost of living
(e.g. someone mentioned that petrol was C$2 a gallon & thought that was
high - ours equates to about C$7 a gallon! And our "sales tax" - called
"value-added tax & charged on just about everything - is 17.5%!), uneven
work-life balance, appallingly unreliable public transport, constant traffic
jams & congestion, litter & pollution, the "me first", dog-eat-dog
selfishness that was born in the Margaret Thatcher era & continues, all
pervasive, in our society, a healthcare system that is falling apart, etc.
All this is topped off by the fact that the housing market has gone insane
in the last few years &, as I work in education, I cannot (& have no
prospect of being able to) afford to get a mortgage on even a small flat.



Sorry, didn't mean for this to turn into a rant. In summary, Britain, today,
has very to recommend it & as far as I can see, it isn't going to get
significantly better in my life time. I realise it may sound like I am
expecting a utopia but that is not the case. I am just looking for an
environment & lifestyle that are a significant improvement in the key areas
I have noted. Does Vancouver fit the bill?



I would particularly like to hear from migrants from Britain to the
Vancouver area. Any & all experiences (good & bad). What you like & what you
miss. Would you do the same again or has the dream failed to live up to
expectations?



Thanks for your attention.



Rob
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I cant speak for the West of Canada specifically, and Canada may not quite be Utopia, but generally my life here is much better than it was in the UK in the areas mentioned.

My only reservation/warning is the universal 10 days of vacation entitlement per year. This can rise up to a whopping 20 days after 10 years at a company, but this obviously puts a big hold on plans to explore this magnificent country, where it takes two or three days to drive through Ontario alone!

If you are planning to be self employed, this may not be a big deal, and other people may have different experiences to mine, but I have found holiday entitlement to be "non negotiable".

For some people this may be important, but for me the benefits of home ownership, great community spirit, no grinding commute, spectacular seasons,and a laid back lifestyle outweigh the negatives many times over.

All the best

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Old Nov 11th 2003, 10:50 am
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Hi

Thanks very much to the people who have replied so far. Please keep them
coming. It is so useful to hear of first-hand experiences. Also, I've been
trying to find books of first-hand accounts of emigration -people detailing
the whole of their experience in a sort of "biography of my emigration"
format. If anyone can suggest where I might find such accounts I would be
very grateful.

As I mentioned, I am not thinking of making the move for 2 or 3 years as I
have a few things to tie-up in the UK first (such as completing my Masters
degree). As well as Canada (Vancouver, in particular) I am also considering
Australia & New Zealand. I haven't been to either of those countries yet but
my sister and her family are about to settle (permanently) in Australia.
Once they are settled in, I am hoping to have an extended holiday taking in
both Oz & New Zealand. I know a few people who have already emigrated to Oz
&, on balance, they say they are much happier with the lifestyle over there
(one, however, has already come back because, of all things, he said the
constant "pommie-bashing" was very distasteful & wearing). Of the two (Oz &
NZ) I suspect NZ would be more to my liking but, without first-hand
knowledge, I concede I am no judge.

I really loved Canada when, as I say, I was over there for 2 months in
1997. I travelled around quite a bit but, being so huge, I barely scratched
the surface of the place. I hitch-hiked mostly & 99% of the people I met
were wonderfully friendly & welcoming. On several occasions (such as when I
asked a stranger for directions) they asked if they could buy me a coffee -
just because they wanted to talk to me about Britain & "being British". I
travelled from Vancouver in a circiut (taking in such places as Kamloops,
Banff, Lake Louise, Calgary, Edmonton, Kelona, Nelson, & Victoria). I liked
them all but some were utterly beautiful!

By the way, in case any Brits reading my first post feel I was too harsh in
my criticism of Britain, I can only say that these are my experiences. I hav
e been trying to think of something positive to say about living in Britain
but ... it's proving difficult. Of course, even with its problems, the NHS
is a wonderful thing. The trouble is it is diminishing all the time & I am
sure it is not what Atlee (that was back when we had great people British
politics and in charge of our country) had in mind when he conceived of a
welfare state caring for everyone from cradle to grave. Other things in
Britain's favour? Great museums, librarys & historic buildings. Great
countryside (if you can get through the traffic). The trouble is, every time
I think of these things I can only think of the recent developments. For
instance, increasingly, the great museums & buildings (in London, in
particular) are charging entrance fees because they don't receive enough
public funding. The last time I went to see St Paul's Cathedral in London
(after an absence of about 10 years) it was £5 just to get in! When I think
of a wonderful building like Salisbury Cathedral I think of how amazing it
is that it was built in the 13th/14th century! At the end of the 20th what
did we accomplish?! The Millennium Dome! ... Sorry, I'm doing it again. I
hope you will believe me when I say that it gives me absolutely no pleasure
to run-down my country like this. I think a large part of the reaon I find
Britain so miserable these days is that I want to be patriotic & I think we
should be doing so much better. I do believe we have a lot to be proud of in
our history but the "national character" (insofar as such a generalistaion
can be made) has, I am sure, changed even in my life-time. And I am only 36.
Sales of luxury cars rise year on year (presumably, so that people can sit
in the traffic jams in more comfort) along with other consumer junk.
Meanwhile personal charitable contributions (as a proportion of gross
income) spiral ever donwards.

Oh dear, there's really no stopping me once I get going. Do you get the
impression I might be just a little bit fed up with Britain? Seriously
though, this is why I really need to find out as much as I can about
emigrating. I want to do as much as possible to make sure I am making an
informed choice. I mean, imagine the amount of humble pie I would have to
eat if I decided to come back!

Cheers

Rob
 
Old Nov 11th 2003, 11:04 am
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If you haven't seen this site, it's worth reading. It helped keep me going
while I was waiting for my immigration visa back in '98 --

http://www.witchweb.net/immigration/index.html

Regards,
Laurie in BC


"Rob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Hi
    > Thanks very much to the people who have replied so far. Please keep them
    > coming. It is so useful to hear of first-hand experiences. Also, I've been
    > trying to find books of first-hand accounts of emigration -people
detailing
    > the whole of their experience in a sort of "biography of my emigration"
    > format. If anyone can suggest where I might find such accounts I would be
    > very grateful.
    > As I mentioned, I am not thinking of making the move for 2 or 3 years as I
    > have a few things to tie-up in the UK first (such as completing my Masters
    > degree). As well as Canada (Vancouver, in particular) I am also
considering
    > Australia & New Zealand. I haven't been to either of those countries yet
but
    > my sister and her family are about to settle (permanently) in Australia.
    > Once they are settled in, I am hoping to have an extended holiday taking
in
    > both Oz & New Zealand. I know a few people who have already emigrated to
Oz
    > &, on balance, they say they are much happier with the lifestyle over
there
    > (one, however, has already come back because, of all things, he said the
    > constant "pommie-bashing" was very distasteful & wearing). Of the two (Oz
&
    > NZ) I suspect NZ would be more to my liking but, without first-hand
    > knowledge, I concede I am no judge.
    > I really loved Canada when, as I say, I was over there for 2 months in
    > 1997. I travelled around quite a bit but, being so huge, I barely
scratched
    > the surface of the place. I hitch-hiked mostly & 99% of the people I met
    > were wonderfully friendly & welcoming. On several occasions (such as when
I
    > asked a stranger for directions) they asked if they could buy me a
coffee -
    > just because they wanted to talk to me about Britain & "being British". I
    > travelled from Vancouver in a circiut (taking in such places as Kamloops,
    > Banff, Lake Louise, Calgary, Edmonton, Kelona, Nelson, & Victoria). I
liked
    > them all but some were utterly beautiful!
    > By the way, in case any Brits reading my first post feel I was too harsh
in
    > my criticism of Britain, I can only say that these are my experiences. I
hav
    > e been trying to think of something positive to say about living in
Britain
    > but ... it's proving difficult. Of course, even with its problems, the NHS
    > is a wonderful thing. The trouble is it is diminishing all the time & I am
    > sure it is not what Atlee (that was back when we had great people British
    > politics and in charge of our country) had in mind when he conceived of a
    > welfare state caring for everyone from cradle to grave. Other things in
    > Britain's favour? Great museums, librarys & historic buildings. Great
    > countryside (if you can get through the traffic). The trouble is, every
time
    > I think of these things I can only think of the recent developments. For
    > instance, increasingly, the great museums & buildings (in London, in
    > particular) are charging entrance fees because they don't receive enough
    > public funding. The last time I went to see St Paul's Cathedral in London
    > (after an absence of about 10 years) it was £5 just to get in! When I
think
    > of a wonderful building like Salisbury Cathedral I think of how amazing it
    > is that it was built in the 13th/14th century! At the end of the 20th what
    > did we accomplish?! The Millennium Dome! ... Sorry, I'm doing it again. I
    > hope you will believe me when I say that it gives me absolutely no
pleasure
    > to run-down my country like this. I think a large part of the reaon I find
    > Britain so miserable these days is that I want to be patriotic & I think
we
    > should be doing so much better. I do believe we have a lot to be proud of
in
    > our history but the "national character" (insofar as such a generalistaion
    > can be made) has, I am sure, changed even in my life-time. And I am only
36.
    > Sales of luxury cars rise year on year (presumably, so that people can sit
    > in the traffic jams in more comfort) along with other consumer junk.
    > Meanwhile personal charitable contributions (as a proportion of gross
    > income) spiral ever donwards.
    > Oh dear, there's really no stopping me once I get going. Do you get the
    > impression I might be just a little bit fed up with Britain? Seriously
    > though, this is why I really need to find out as much as I can about
    > emigrating. I want to do as much as possible to make sure I am making an
    > informed choice. I mean, imagine the amount of humble pie I would have to
    > eat if I decided to come back!
    > Cheers
    > Rob
 
Old Nov 16th 2003, 11:05 am
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Hi Laurie

Thanks for your response & for pointing me to the web site. It it does have
some very useful info & the humour is a bonus! I will keep trawling for as
much info as I can find - the moans & gripes as well as the positive stuff.

Incidentally, how are you finding life over there? Has it livedup to your
dreams?

Regards

Rob
 
Old Nov 17th 2003, 2:53 am
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"Rob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Hi Laurie
    > Thanks for your response & for pointing me to the web site. It it does
have
    > some very useful info & the humour is a bonus! I will keep trawling for as
    > much info as I can find - the moans & gripes as well as the positive
stuff.
    > Incidentally, how are you finding life over there? Has it livedup to your
    > dreams?
    > Regards
    > Rob


Rob,
Glad you enjoyed the website I referred you to. I have come to appreciate
Canada more and more after living here for about 5 years now. I came here
from the US, and brought my consulting business with me so I didn't have to
look for work when I arrived. If you have any specific questions, feel free
to email me directly.

Regards,
Laurie in BC
 
Old Nov 17th 2003, 8:46 am
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"Rob" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Hi
    >
    >
    >
    > Please refer me to FAQs if the following sounds all too familiar. I tried
    > the 2 FAQ URLs
    > (http://members.tripod.com/~gokce/mis...nada-FAQe.html &
    > http://members.tripod.com/~gokce/mis...anada-faq.html) suggested
    > in a recently re-posted message but they were both dead.
    >
    >
    >
    > I'm planning to apply for permanent resident status/visa with the intention
    > of immigrating in 2-3 years. Basically, I'm fed up with the ugly, expensive,
    > overcrowded, run-down, clapped-out UK & I want to jump ship before we
    > finally reach third world status. I spent a couple of happy months in
    > southern BC and Alberta a few years ago & I'm thinking Vancouver (area) is
    > the place for me.
    >
    >
    >
    > What I don't want is to go through the trauma & upheaval only to find that
    > Canada (& Vancouver, in particular) has no more to offer than Britain. The
    > sort of things that are important to me are, I suppose, old-fashioned
    > values; community spirit, friendly & considerate neighbours, low crime rates
    > (petty anti-social behaviour such graffiti, yobbishness, rudeness - as well
    > as the serious stuff like mugging & burglary). I would like to find great
    > improvements on the main miseries of living in Britain - high cost of living
    > (e.g. someone mentioned that petrol was C$2 a gallon & thought that was
    > high - ours equates to about C$7 a gallon! And our "sales tax" - called
    > "value-added tax & charged on just about everything - is 17.5%!), uneven
    > work-life balance, appallingly unreliable public transport, constant traffic
    > jams & congestion, litter & pollution, the "me first", dog-eat-dog
    > selfishness that was born in the Margaret Thatcher era & continues, all
    > pervasive, in our society, a healthcare system that is falling apart, etc.
    > All this is topped off by the fact that the housing market has gone insane
    > in the last few years &, as I work in education, I cannot (& have no
    > prospect of being able to) afford to get a mortgage on even a small flat.


You can certainly find housing in Canada and it easier to obtain home
ownership here than in the UK. Some areas are more expensive than
others and of course, your first pick, Vancouver, is one of the top
three places to buy as far as price goes. There are lots of areas in
and around Vancouver that are nice that don't cost as much. Keep in
mind, with the 2010 Olympics coming to Whistler all things will be
getting more expensvie. Calgary is also a hot spot for prices in
housing right now but it is still more reasonable than Toronto, my
home, and Vancouver.
Sorry, didn't mean for this to turn into a rant. In summary, Britain,
today,
    > has very to recommend it & as far as I can see, it isn't going to get
    > significantly better in my life time. I realise it may sound like I am
    > expecting a utopia but that is not the case. I am just looking for an
    > environment & lifestyle that are a significant improvement in the key areas
    > I have noted. Does Vancouver fit the bill?
    >
You will find Vancouver more to what you are used to as far as weather
is concerned. Some call it a "granola type" of place. I mean that in a
good way folks. The environment is a big concern, recycling is
encouraged, riding bicycles is applauded, unlike our gas hungry
vehicles we use in the east, and the outdoors are important to the
westerners.
Destination Canada Publications www.destinationcanadarelocation.com
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    > I would particularly like to hear from migrants from Britain to the
    > Vancouver area. Any & all experiences (good & bad). What you like & what you
    > miss. Would you do the same again or has the dream failed to live up to
    > expectations?
    >
    >
    >
    > Thanks for your attention.
    >
    >
    >
    > Rob
 
Old Nov 19th 2003, 9:35 am
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Thanks for your response. Vancouver definitely sounds like my kind of place.
I had considered the climate (weather) as a pretty important factor &, from
what I can find, it does seem that the Vancouver area is similar to southern
England (where I live). Typically, it seems, Vancouver has slightly hotter
summers & slightly colder winters. I can live with that quite happily.

Thanks again.

Rob

"Destination Canada Publications" <[email protected]> wrote in
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    > "Rob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
    > > Hi
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Please refer me to FAQs if the following sounds all too familiar. I
tried
    > > the 2 FAQ URLs
    > > (http://members.tripod.com/~gokce/mis...nada-FAQe.html &
    > > http://members.tripod.com/~gokce/mis...anada-faq.html)
suggested
    > > in a recently re-posted message but they were both dead.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > I'm planning to apply for permanent resident status/visa with the
intention
    > > of immigrating in 2-3 years. Basically, I'm fed up with the ugly,
expensive,
    > > overcrowded, run-down, clapped-out UK & I want to jump ship before we
    > > finally reach third world status. I spent a couple of happy months in
    > > southern BC and Alberta a few years ago & I'm thinking Vancouver (area)
is
    > > the place for me.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > What I don't want is to go through the trauma & upheaval only to find
that
    > > Canada (& Vancouver, in particular) has no more to offer than Britain.
The
    > > sort of things that are important to me are, I suppose, old-fashioned
    > > values; community spirit, friendly & considerate neighbours, low crime
rates
    > > (petty anti-social behaviour such graffiti, yobbishness, rudeness - as
well
    > > as the serious stuff like mugging & burglary). I would like to find
great
    > > improvements on the main miseries of living in Britain - high cost of
living
    > > (e.g. someone mentioned that petrol was C$2 a gallon & thought that was
    > > high - ours equates to about C$7 a gallon! And our "sales tax" - called
    > > "value-added tax & charged on just about everything - is 17.5%!), uneven
    > > work-life balance, appallingly unreliable public transport, constant
traffic
    > > jams & congestion, litter & pollution, the "me first", dog-eat-dog
    > > selfishness that was born in the Margaret Thatcher era & continues, all
    > > pervasive, in our society, a healthcare system that is falling apart,
etc.
    > > All this is topped off by the fact that the housing market has gone
insane
    > > in the last few years &, as I work in education, I cannot (& have no
    > > prospect of being able to) afford to get a mortgage on even a small
flat.
    > You can certainly find housing in Canada and it easier to obtain home
    > ownership here than in the UK. Some areas are more expensive than
    > others and of course, your first pick, Vancouver, is one of the top
    > three places to buy as far as price goes. There are lots of areas in
    > and around Vancouver that are nice that don't cost as much. Keep in
    > mind, with the 2010 Olympics coming to Whistler all things will be
    > getting more expensvie. Calgary is also a hot spot for prices in
    > housing right now but it is still more reasonable than Toronto, my
    > home, and Vancouver.
    > Sorry, didn't mean for this to turn into a rant. In summary, Britain,
    > today,
    > > has very to recommend it & as far as I can see, it isn't going to get
    > > significantly better in my life time. I realise it may sound like I am
    > > expecting a utopia but that is not the case. I am just looking for an
    > > environment & lifestyle that are a significant improvement in the key
areas
    > > I have noted. Does Vancouver fit the bill?
    > >
    > You will find Vancouver more to what you are used to as far as weather
    > is concerned. Some call it a "granola type" of place. I mean that in a
    > good way folks. The environment is a big concern, recycling is
    > encouraged, riding bicycles is applauded, unlike our gas hungry
    > vehicles we use in the east, and the outdoors are important to the
    > westerners.
    > Destination Canada Publications www.destinationcanadarelocation.com
    > \
    > > I would particularly like to hear from migrants from Britain to the
    > > Vancouver area. Any & all experiences (good & bad). What you like & what
you
    > > miss. Would you do the same again or has the dream failed to live up to
    > > expectations?
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Thanks for your attention.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Rob
 

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