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Unemployment and pension insurance transfer from Finland to Canada.

Old Oct 13th 2002, 8:19 am
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Andrew
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Hi, I am Russian citizen recently moved to Canada. Prior moving I've
been legally working in Finland for 2 years. Along with state and
province tax I paid obligatory pension and unemployment insurance. I
need legal assistance on how to transfer these payments to Canada. I
thing in general it should be possible, though I don't know how to do
it and where to begin? Any advices will be appreciated.

Andrei Ivanov
 
Old Oct 13th 2002, 9:13 am
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"Andrew" wrote in message
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    > Hi, I am Russian citizen recently moved to Canada. Prior moving I've
    > been legally working in Finland for 2 years. Along with state and
    > province tax I paid obligatory pension and unemployment insurance. I
    > need legal assistance on how to transfer these payments to Canada. I
    > thing in general it should be possible, though I don't know how to do
    > it and where to begin? Any advices will be appreciated.

I am a little confused as to what you mean.

Do you mean:

You are in Canada and feel that since you paid unemployment insureance and
pension in Finland you want to now have the Canadian government pay you
unemployment? Or a pension? I am thinking this is not possible. Finland and
Canada are two separate countries. Why would they share things like this?

But I could be wrong. I am by no means an expert.
 
Old Oct 14th 2002, 3:46 am
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Yes exactly! I think I paid more in Finland than I would pay in Canada
during the same time. After all I paid my own earned money for my own
insurance (pension, unemployment or whatever). I think these money,
which I have paid but never used, can be somehwow transferred to
Canada, why not?

Andrei

    > Do you mean:
    > You are in Canada and feel that since you paid unemployment insureance and
    > pension in Finland you want to now have the Canadian government pay you
    > unemployment? Or a pension? I am thinking this is not possible. Finland and
    > Canada are two separate countries. Why would they share things like this?
    > But I could be wrong. I am by no means an expert.
 
Old Oct 14th 2002, 5:06 am
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Well, when you consider that departments within most governments don't have
great communication I highly doubt two countries would share that
information. I mean I could be wrong and welcome anyone to counter my
comments.

I am a little concerned why you are worried about going on unemployment
insurance when you move to Canada. There is lots of work here. Finding a job
should be your main concern.

"Andrew" wrote in message
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    > Yes exactly! I think I paid more in Finland than I would pay in Canada
    > during the same time. After all I paid my own earned money for my own
    > insurance (pension, unemployment or whatever). I think these money,
    > which I have paid but never used, can be somehwow transferred to
    > Canada, why not?
    > Andrei
    > >
    > > Do you mean:
    > >
    > > You are in Canada and feel that since you paid unemployment insureance
and
    > > pension in Finland you want to now have the Canadian government pay you
    > > unemployment? Or a pension? I am thinking this is not possible. Finland
and
    > > Canada are two separate countries. Why would they share things like
this?
    > >
    > > But I could be wrong. I am by no means an expert.
 
Old Oct 14th 2002, 5:48 am
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I tihnk what he is saying is, as he made those payments in Finland then
surely he is owed the service from Finland if he were to need EI or indeed
when he starts pension payments should he not already be at a higher level.
I think there are two parts to it, one is to contact the relevant people in
Finland and see if it is possible to transfer them so you qualify now, and
possibly see if there is any kind of mutual agreement that says for example
your payemnts there count towards yoru payments in Canada if the same is
said of Canadian who move there, many countries do have reciprical
agreements i think so that say if you had been paying into it for 20 years
before you move, then thats a lot of money to just ignore, after 2 years im
not so sure.




"ColdCathoid" wrote in message
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    > Well, when you consider that departments within most governments don't
have
    > great communication I highly doubt two countries would share that
    > information. I mean I could be wrong and welcome anyone to counter my
    > comments.
    > I am a little concerned why you are worried about going on unemployment
    > insurance when you move to Canada. There is lots of work here. Finding a
job
    > should be your main concern.
    > "Andrew" wrote in message
    > news:c5826e91.02101407-
    > [email protected]
    ...
    > > Yes exactly! I think I paid more in Finland than I would pay in Canada
    > > during the same time. After all I paid my own earned money for my own
    > > insurance (pension, unemployment or whatever). I think these money,
    > > which I have paid but never used, can be somehwow transferred to
    > > Canada, why not?
    > >
    > > Andrei
    > >
    > > >
    > > > Do you mean:
    > > >
    > > > You are in Canada and feel that since you paid unemployment insureance
    > and
    > > > pension in Finland you want to now have the Canadian government pay
you
    > > > unemployment? Or a pension? I am thinking this is not possible.
Finland
    > and
    > > > Canada are two separate countries. Why would they share things like
    > this?
    > > >
    > > > But I could be wrong. I am by no means an expert.
 
Old Oct 14th 2002, 11:04 am
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Hi and thanks for comments.

"The Wizzard" wrote in message news:...

    > I tihnk what he is saying is, as he made those payments in Finland then
    > surely he is owed the service from Finland if he were to need EI or indeed
    > when he starts pension payments should he not already be at a higher level.

Hi and thanks for comments.

"The Wizzard" wrote in message news:...

    > I think what he is saying is, as he made those payments in Finland then
    > surely he is owed the service from Finland if he were to need EI or indeed
    > when he starts pension payments should he not already be at a higher level.

Exactly! At least Finnish pension insurance works so that every person
earns his own pension.

    > I think there are two parts to it, one is to contact the relevant people in
    > Finland and see if it is possible to transfer them so you qualify now, and
    > possibly see if there is any kind of mutual agreement that says for example
    > your payments there count towards your payments in Canada if the same is
    > said of Canadian who move there, many countries do have reciprocal
    > agreements I think so that say if you had been paying into it for 20 years
    > before you move, then that's a lot of money to just ignore, after 2 years imp
    > not so sure.

You are probably right, indeed I heard something about existence of
mutual agreement between Finland and Canada. The problem is that so
few people move nowadays between these two countries, so that there
could hardly be even single precedent. To be a pioneer is not a good
job, though it may help other people who will follow you.

Andrei
 
Old Oct 14th 2002, 11:21 am
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    > I am a little concerned why you are worried about going on unemployment
    > insurance when you move to Canada. There is lots of work here. Finding a job
    > should be your main concern.
Thanks for your commetns.

About jobs take a look at this post "13 Oct 2002 No IT Jobs in
Canada". What I am doing at the moment is trying to prove this is not
the case here.

Don't worry, I rather leave Canada back to Russia than will go for
unskilled labor or unemployment insurance. I came here as skilled
professional with Russian qualifications which I've already proved by
working in Finland which ahead of Canada in technology and IT...

Regards,
Andrei
 
Old Oct 14th 2002, 12:06 pm
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Default Re: Unemployment and pension insurance transfer from Finland to Canada.

Originally posted by Andrew:
    > I am a little concerned why you are worried about going on unemployment
    > insurance when you move to Canada. There is lots of work here. Finding a job
    > should be your main concern.
Thanks for your commetns.


Don't worry, I rather leave Canada back to Russia than will go for
unskilled labor or unemployment insurance. I came here as skilled
professional with Russian qualifications which I've already proved by
working in Finland which ahead of Canada in technology and IT...

Regards,
Andrei
Andrei I really hope you had your Russian qualifications evaluated by the relevant body in ON before you made the move. What you did in Finland will likely be disregarded for employment purposes - yes I know Finland is way ahead of Canada but non North American experience counts for very little I am afraid. I have mentioned this in other posts but my husband and I both got short sharp shocks when we moved here and were effectively told our qualifications and experience were worthless. We were very misled during the immigration process and bitterly regret leaving the UK and two well paid jobs! Please tell me you did check this out first!!
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Old Oct 15th 2002, 4:41 am
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[email protected] (Andrew) wrote
> I came here as skilled
> professional with Russian qualifications which I've already proved by
> working in Finland which ahead of Canada in technology and IT...

I came to Canada more than one year ago, before that I worked in Finland as a software engineer for three years for the best-known Finnish company. I am still looking for an IT job here. Of course you might have better/other skills and more luck, I just wanted to share my experience.

As for pension from Finland, my understanding at the time was that if there was an agreement between the two countries and you were resident in Finland for at least 3 years (or no agreement and 5 years) you may apply to the Finnish pension authority and receive some pension. See the KELA homepage at http://193.209.217.5/in/internet/eng...H?openDocument

On the other hand, I think you can forget about your unemployment insurance funds (in fact I am not really sure if you would get anything in Finland if unemployed on a temporary visa)

Anyway your best bet would be to contact KELA about these.
 
Old Oct 15th 2002, 4:56 am
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dingbat wrote in message news:...
    > Originally posted by Andrew:
    > > > I am a little concerned why you are worried about going on
    > > > unemployment
    > > > insurance when you move to Canada. There is lots of work here.
    > > > Finding a job
    > > > should be your main concern.
    > > Thanks for your commetns.
    > >
    > >
    > > Don't worry, I rather leave Canada back to Russia than will go for
    > > unskilled labor or unemployment insurance. I came here as skilled
    > > professional with Russian qualifications which I've already proved by
    > > working in Finland which ahead of Canada in technology and IT...
    > >
    > > Regards,
    > > Andrei
    > >
    > Andrei I really hope you had your Russian qualifications evaluated by
    > the relevant body in ON before you made the move. What you did in
    > Finland will likely be disregarded for employment purposes - yes I know
    > Finland is way ahead of Canada but non North American experience counts
    > for very little I am afraid. I have mentioned this in other posts but my
    > husband and I both got short sharp shocks when we moved here and were
    > effectively told our qualifications and experience were worthless. We
    > were very misled during the immigration process and bitterly regret
    > leaving the UK and two well paid jobs! Please tell me you did check this
    > out first!!


Check with HRDC to see if there is a bilateral social security
agrement beween Finland and Canada. Canada signed many agrrements in
the 70's and 80's but I cannot recall if Finland was sone of them.
There may be info on thier website - www.hrdc.gc.ca
If not write to Jane Stewart the Minister or visit your local MPs
office.

Jim Metcalfe
 
Old Oct 15th 2002, 7:27 am
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    > Andrei I really hope you had your Russian qualifications evaluated by
    > the relevant body in ON before you made the move. What you did in
    > Finland will likely be disregarded for employment purposes - yes I know
    > Finland is way ahead of Canada but non North American experience counts
    > for very little I am afraid. I have mentioned this in other posts but my
    > husband and I both got short sharp shocks when we moved here and were
    > effectively told our qualifications and experience were worthless. We
    > were very misled during the immigration process and bitterly regret
    > leaving the UK and two well paid jobs! Please tell me you did check this
    > out first!!

Thank you for your answer.
Indeed I feel that we were misled about our chances in Canada too. My
wife can not work now (because she is pregnant) as we hoped that my
skills and qualification and blah blah blah will be in demand here.
Alas I didn't check this before coming here.
Were you able to return to UK? What have you done when you realized
that your experience is worthless here?

Regards,
Andrei
 
Old Oct 15th 2002, 2:42 pm
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    > I came to Canada more than one year ago, before that I worked in Finland
    > as a software engineer for three years for the best-known Finnish
    > company. I am still looking for an IT job here. Of course you might have
    > better/other skills and more luck, I just wanted to share my experience.

Hi, I was glad to see your letter though your "Canadian experience" is
not very positive. I am afraid I will face same problems because I
don't think I am more skilled than you. I was working for small
companies in Finland (as java developer mainly) though our products
are well known. Where do you live in Canada? What do you do for living
now? What company you were working for in Finland (Nokia, TietoEnator,
Novo)? Could you stay in Finland, why did you move here? Sorry for too
many questions this is because I am probably just in the beginning of
your way...

And thanks for advice about KELA, I think I'll try contact them.

Andrei
 
Old Oct 16th 2002, 12:33 am
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Hi
There is no agreement between Canada & Finland on the E.I. issue.
You should check with Finland to see if you would be eligible to receive
pension monies in Canada.
Heather
"Andrew" wrote in message
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    > Hi, I am Russian citizen recently moved to Canada. Prior moving I've
    > been legally working in Finland for 2 years. Along with state and
    > province tax I paid obligatory pension and unemployment insurance. I
    > need legal assistance on how to transfer these payments to Canada. I
    > thing in general it should be possible, though I don't know how to do
    > it and where to begin? Any advices will be appreciated.
    > Andrei Ivanov
 
Old Oct 16th 2002, 3:54 am
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[email protected] (Andrew) wrote
I was working for small
companies in Finland (as java developer mainly) though our products
are well known. Where do you live in Canada? What do you do for living
now? What company you were working for in Finland (Nokia, TietoEnator,
Novo)? Could you stay in Finland, why did you move here?
Hi, I was working for Nokia as a C++ developer, the job was secure and I could have stayed if I wanted to but we really wanted to come to Canada so that's what we did. This was last summer (worst possible time I guess) and we choose Ottawa (another bad choice jobwise as it turned out). Couple of weeks ago we moved to Calgary, we'll try our luck here too...

Jobs I did: washing dishes, delivering newspapers, counting flyers, moving furniture and other interesting warehouse duties.

All in all it could seem that coming to Canada at this time was a really bad choice, but we don't give up (at least for the moment) and I know eventually it will get better. At least the scenery is unbeatable...
 
Old Oct 16th 2002, 11:53 am
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ilves wrote
    > Hi, I was working for Nokia as a C++ developer, the job was secure
    > Jobs I did: washing dishes, delivering newspapers, counting flyers,
    > moving furniture and other interesting warehouse duties.
I like Finnish scenery more. Have you been at Koli? I still can't
believe to what your wrote. I tried to get a job at Nokia many times
to no avail. Last time it was last summer when I was about to loose my
first job in Finland. Two month later I got my second one, quite
easily with little bit better salary. It was secure and company and
work environment were much better. Partly we had to move here because
in the end of this year I had to extend my A2 Finnish visa. There were
no problems but, as usual, I was afraid a bit to be refused and at the
same time we received our Canadian papers. So we decided to take our
chances and I am in Toronto now. Some say that it's easier to an IT
find job in Calgary this time. Good luck and all the best for you. Btw
which country you came from? Can you write at my email?

Andrei
 

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