UK, GB or England?

Old Jul 19th 2005, 4:57 am
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Hi,

I should probably know having lived here all my life, but should I use 'England', 'United Kingdom' or 'Great Britain' when filling out the forms?

My passport says GB, my driving licence says UK of GB, but I was born and live in England, a seperate country from our neighbours in Scotland, Wales and Ireland!

I really should have paid more attention in school...

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Old Jul 19th 2005, 5:06 am
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Originally Posted by M_and_J
Hi,

I should probably know having lived here all my life, but should I use 'England', 'United Kingdom' or 'Great Britain' when filling out the forms?

My passport says GB, my driving licence says UK of GB, but I was born and live in England, a seperate country from our neighbours in Scotland, Wales and Ireland!

I really should have paid more attention in school...

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England is just England...
Great Britain is just the "island" - i.e. Scotland, England and Wales
UK is actually short for the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Whether it includes Channel Islands I can't say...

JAJ is hot on this, he'll probably pop along in a minute and tell you!

But yep, for some strange reason CIC have split the UK into England, Scotland, Wales and N.I. All my stuff from them says "Scotland" when it really ought to say UK.
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The Channel Islands are strange little things... officially British but not part of the UK! It makes it difficult when buying things online coz the only option is UK but that isn't strictly true!

oh well!

Originally Posted by Biiiiink
Whether it includes Channel Islands I can't say...
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Place of Birth would be England / Scotland whatever..as thats whats writen on the birth certificate.

Citizenship ...British

Country...United Kingdom

They arent complete idiots though, I doubt they will reject an application for this!
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Originally Posted by iaink
Place of Birth would be England / Scotland whatever..as thats whats writen on the birth certificate.
Not London, England? Or Edinburg, Scotland?

Just curious......
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Originally Posted by Toontje
Not London, England? Or Edinburg, Scotland?

Just curious......
Well, yeah, obviously.

Only that would be Edinburgh
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Originally Posted by Toontje
Not London, England? Or Edinburg, Scotland?

Just curious......
What's actually written on a birth cert is quite complex: address at which birth took place, registration district, subregistration district, city/town/village, county.

The country of birth is inferred from the county for England and Wales which have a combined birth registry. Scotland and NI each have their own. Perhaps that is why CIC is insistent: if they wish to check the files, they have to know which registry to check.
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Originally Posted by iaink
Only that would be Edinburgh
Sorry. No Master's in Geography here....
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Originally Posted by Kazphillips
The Channel Islands are strange little things... officially British but not part of the UK! It makes it difficult when buying things online coz the only option is UK but that isn't strictly true!

oh well!

Jersey and Guernsey are Crown Dependencies (ie British territories, but not part of the UK). Guernsey has its own dependencies.

The Isle of Man has the same status.

The phrases 'British Islands' or 'United Kingdom and Islands' are used to describe the UK, Channel Islands and Isle of Man collectively.

As far as the United Kingdom itself is concerned, that's the "country" and unless the context clearly states otherwise, I'd think that's usually the best answer.

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Originally Posted by M_and_J
Hi,

I should probably know having lived here all my life, but should I use 'England', 'United Kingdom' or 'Great Britain' when filling out the forms?

My passport says GB, my driving licence says UK of GB, but I was born and live in England, a seperate country from our neighbours in Scotland, Wales and Ireland!

I really should have paid more attention in school...

M
And not to forget the term 'British Isles', which is a geograhical term (not a political one, unlike 'British Islands' or 'UK and islands'). The British Isles (geographical) are the islands of Great Britain and Ireland, plus the associated islands. The use of this term in its geographical context carries no implication at all about the political status of any of the islands (or part thereof), nor does it imply anything about their political relationships to each other. It can be a useful term in certain circumstances (though not, of course, when filling in official forms).
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