Shirtback

Not too sure about that; I know a fair few Canadians who'd be out West like a shot for the ski season, if they had a fair chance against the often exploited IECers ...

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MountainHiker

It depends on how you look at it.

I know plenty of Canadians who work in ski resorts and they have all the good jobs from Ski Patrol to Managers. Working in a ski resort sucks because it's seasonal you need IEC workers because they will stick around for the winter then leave to either travel or back home. Whereas the Canadians are out of a job and claiming EI, which happens a lot, a fair few of my climbing buddies work Ski Patrol in the winter and just claim EI in the summer and go climbing.

Shirtback

Indeed

I know a fair few CDN youngsters who live travelling the country for seasonal work. I do accept that they are not representative of the mainstream .

They specifically avoid the resorts out West for the winter *because* of the IECers. Not because they're xenophobic, but because they know (or at least believe) they won't get a look in to the basic jobs. Rightly or wrongly, they perceive the employers involved as biased against Canadians, in that they perceive the IECers as being "cheaper" for employers...

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scrubbedexpat091

I think there is a bias in some of ski resorts towards non-Canadian's. I go to Whistler and pretty much everyone seems to have an accent from somewhere other then North America.

I also spent late summer last year and into April of this year up until a couple weeks ago, submitting resumes to jobs in Whistler, and I have yet to ever get a call for an interview and some of these places continue to post hiring ads.

I was tempted to submit a fake resume making myself look like I am from another country to see if I could get a reply, but I am not going to go that far...

But based on my experience, and talking to a few others who have failed to find work in Whistler despite being qualified, it does seem like there is a bias towards Canadian workers there.

beckiwoo

If they shut/stream line the IEC programme it will also restrict young Canadians opportunities aboard.

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scrubbedexpat091

Seems there needs to be some restrictions though considering the article states 3 times more people come to Canada, then Canadian's going elsewhere.

Maybe require those coming in to actually work in places with a true labor shortage, and restrict them to those area's.

"Government data, however, indicates that more than three times as many foreigners come to Canada under the program than the other way around."

beckiwoo

Possible might explain how young people feel about their own countries right now. That is certainly how I feel and I'm not even as young as so of them.

It's ok if they get rid of IEC for all countries, the Brits and Irish will just head to NZ and Australia and then they will get fed up with it but I think It's more equal in numbers that participate in those WHV between the countries.

Maybe they need to look at the quotas for all countries...

Siouxie

Not just food services now - LMO's suspended for a range of occupations. ***

http://www.edsc.gc.ca/eng/jobs/forei...ef/index.shtml

List of all Sales and Services Occupations (Skill type 6 based on NOC-2006)
NOC Code NOC4 Title
6641 Food Counter Attendants, Kitchen Helpers and Related Occupations
0631 Restaurant and Food Service Managers
6212 Food Service Supervisors
6453 Food and Beverage Servers
6611 Cashiers
6241 Chefs
6242 Cooks
6252 Bakers
0611 Sales, Marketing and Advertising Managers
0621 Retail Trade Manager
0632 Accommodation Service Managers
0651 Other Services Managers
6211 Retail Trade Supervisors
6213 Executive Housekeepers
6214 Dry Cleaning and Laundry Supervisors
6215 Cleaning Supervisors
6216 Other Service Supervisors
6221 Technical Sales Specialists - Wholesale Trade
6251 Butchers, Meat Cutters and Fishmongers - Retail and Wholesale
6411 Sales Representatives - Wholesale Trade (Non-Technical)
6421 Retail Salespersons and Sales Clerks
6451 Maîtres d'hôtel and Hosts/Hostesses
6452 Bartenders
6484 Other Personal Service Occupations
6622 Grocery Clerks and Store Shelf Stockers
6623 Other Elemental Sales Occupations
6651 Security Guards and Related Occupations
6661 Light Duty Cleaners
6662 Specialized Cleaners
6663 Janitors, Caretakers and Building Superintendents
6681 Dry Cleaning and Laundry Occupations
6682 Ironing, Pressing and Finishing Occupations
6683 Other Elemental Service Occupations

*** EDITED to say, it could be that I am misinterpreting this and it is only jobs that relate to the food service industry

http://stds.statcan.gc.ca/naics-scia...p?criteria=722

Effective immediately, ESDC will no longer process LMOs for occupations in the Food Services Sector.

LMOs will not be processed for occupations classified by the 2002 North American Industrial Classification System (NAICS 2002) in Food Services and Drinking Places (NAICS subsector 722). Specifically, certain occupations related to sales and service and sales and service management as set out in the National Occupational Classification (NOC 2006). Please see this list for further detail.

MountainHiker

That's going to hurt small towns which are out in the sticks.

ExKiwilass

must be the people you are hanging out with.

Third6

I just put in a CEC PR application under NOC Code 6316/6216 which is on that list. Makes me nervous.

Former Lancastrian

Note: As of May 1, 2014, there is an overall cap of 8,000 for new Canadian Experience Class applications. There are also sub-caps of 200 for each National Occupational Classification B applications. These are the last applications we will accept under the current system before Express Entry launches in January 2015.
You cannot use work experience in the following occupations to qualify for the CEC:
Cooks (NOC 6322)
Food service supervisors (NOC 6311)
Administrative officers (NOC 1221)
Administrative assistants (NOC 1241)
Accounting technicians and bookkeepers (NOC 1311)
Retail sales supervisors (NOC 6211)
In addition, we are not accepting online payments for permanent residence applications under the Canadian Experience Class at this time.

Third6

Oh ok, so I should be ok then? My app was received March 27th and I got my AOR on April 24th I think it was.

I also don't get why depending on which list I look at my NOC changes from 6216 to 6316. I applied under 6316 anyway.

Anyway, sorry for hijacking this thread!

PMM

Hi

Here is the Q&A from ESDC on the Moratorium It still list a lot of jobs that aren't in the food sector, for what its worth: http://www.esdc.gc.ca/eng/jobs/forei..._ref/q_a.shtml

Former Lancastrian

Out of the list I count 9 NINE jobs related to the fast food or food service industry that are being questioned in the media.
I count 2 jobs that deal with food but is a butcher or baker really part of the problem areas that are drawing criticism.
I said in a previous post that I expect the hotel/motel industry the next to come under scrutiny and one can say there are several jobs on that list that confirm this.
Now we have some clearer answers employers and employees now have a clearer picture of the moratorium except for the when and if the moratorium will be lifted and if certain jobs will be added or removed from the list.