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Sponsering my Norwegian wife and child inland

Old Jun 25th 2003, 1:18 am
  #1  
John Smith
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Default Sponsering my Norwegian wife and child inland

I am a Canadian. Wife ( Got married in Toronto) and my 15 months daughter
are Norwegians. They are currently in Norway and my wife is 5 months
pregnant. I am moving back to Canada with a permanant job. I am going to
bring them on visiters visa and then sponser within Canada. So, we have
packed everything and looking for an excellent medical insurance to cover
her medical expenses while her stay in Toronto on visiters visa.
I heard that i can apply for my daughters citizenzip? without even
sponsering her?? Want some solid information on this.
I would also like to have all the helps possible on sponsering my wife,
daughter and unborn child within Canada while their stay on visitors visa.
Thank you all..

Robert
 
Old Jun 25th 2003, 1:51 am
  #2  
Andrew Miller
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Default Re: Sponsering my Norwegian wife and child inland

Your daughter is a Canadian citizen - you don't need to sponsor her. Only
thing you need is to apply for her proof of citizenship. Your unborn child
will be a Canadian citizen as well, regardless where born. So, the only
person to sponsor is your wife.

The most important matter to remember is that inland sponsorship process is
available only to those who gained admission to Canada without fraud,
misrepresentation or omission - thus make sure that you state clearly your
intentions when entering Canada.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"John Smith" wrote in message
news:6jhKa.13514$KF1.276615@amstwist00...
    > I am a Canadian. Wife ( Got married in Toronto) and my 15 months daughter
    > are Norwegians. They are currently in Norway and my wife is 5 months
    > pregnant. I am moving back to Canada with a permanant job. I am going
to
    > bring them on visiters visa and then sponser within Canada. So, we have
    > packed everything and looking for an excellent medical insurance to cover
    > her medical expenses while her stay in Toronto on visiters visa.
    > I heard that i can apply for my daughters citizenzip? without even
    > sponsering her?? Want some solid information on this.
    > I would also like to have all the helps possible on sponsering my wife,
    > daughter and unborn child within Canada while their stay on visitors visa.
    > Thank you all..
    > Robert
 
Old Jun 25th 2003, 2:41 am
  #3  
John Smith
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Default Re: Sponsering my Norwegian wife and child inland

Thank you Miller for your rapid answer.......

My wife is not doing any fraud. She has visited Canada for about 3
times leagaly and maintained her visiters visa status. So there is no fraud
or mirepresentaion on her visit. I am glad now that i just have to fill out
only one form for my wife.

My questions now are..
Should i tell the immigration on wife's arrival about my intention of
sponsering her? or not?
where do i apply for my daughters proff of citizenship?
Is it possible to find medical insurance to cover my pregnant wife's
expenses?
should i insure before coming to Cananda or maybe find somone in Canada?
Should i metion them about her pregnancy to cover the expenses?

Thank you in advance

Robert

"Andrew Miller" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Your daughter is a Canadian citizen - you don't need to sponsor her. Only
    > thing you need is to apply for her proof of citizenship. Your unborn child
    > will be a Canadian citizen as well, regardless where born. So, the only
    > person to sponsor is your wife.
    > The most important matter to remember is that inland sponsorship process
is
    > available only to those who gained admission to Canada without fraud,
    > misrepresentation or omission - thus make sure that you state clearly your
    > intentions when entering Canada.
    > --
    > ../..
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > ________________________________
    > "John Smith" wrote in message
    > news:6jhKa.13514$KF1.276615@amstwist00...
    > > I am a Canadian. Wife ( Got married in Toronto) and my 15 months
daughter
    > > are Norwegians. They are currently in Norway and my wife is 5 months
    > > pregnant. I am moving back to Canada with a permanant job. I am going
    > to
    > > bring them on visiters visa and then sponser within Canada. So, we have
    > > packed everything and looking for an excellent medical insurance to
cover
    > > her medical expenses while her stay in Toronto on visiters visa.
    > > I heard that i can apply for my daughters citizenzip? without even
    > > sponsering her?? Want some solid information on this.
    > > I would also like to have all the helps possible on sponsering my wife,
    > > daughter and unborn child within Canada while their stay on visitors
visa.
    > > Thank you all..
    > >
    > > Robert
    > >
    > >
 
Old Jun 25th 2003, 3:34 am
  #4  
Andrew Miller
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Default Re: Sponsering my Norwegian wife and child inland

I wasn't talking about coming for a visit - I was talking about coming as
visitor with the intention to go through the inland sponsorship process and
not disclosing such intention at the port of entry will constitute omission
(at least) and thus it may make your wife ineligible for inland process. And
this is why I said that you guys when entering Canada should disclose your
intentions to start inland process.

As far as your daughter - it may be somehow tricky if you want to move to
Canada fast. Getting proof of citizenship may take at least several weeks
and without such proof she may not enter Canada as Canadian citizen. You
should have asked questions long ago, before starting packing. Forms and
instructions for obtaining proof of citizenship while abroad are here:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/applications/certif2.html

It is absolutely impossible to have pre-existing pregnancy insured - all
temporary visitor/tourist insurances cover only emergencies and never cover
any pre-existing conditions. And if your wife is already in her 5th month
then there is not a chance for her to become Canadian PR and get Provincial
coverage before baby is born. But once born (if in Canada) baby will be
covered under your plan as you can immediately apply for one upon return to
Canada.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"John Smith" wrote in message
news:5wiKa.13525$KF1.276597@amstwist00...
    > Thank you Miller for your rapid answer.......
    > My wife is not doing any fraud. She has visited Canada for about 3
    > times leagaly and maintained her visiters visa status. So there is no
fraud
    > or mirepresentaion on her visit. I am glad now that i just have to fill
out
    > only one form for my wife.
    > My questions now are..
    > Should i tell the immigration on wife's arrival about my intention of
    > sponsering her? or not?
    > where do i apply for my daughters proff of citizenship?
    > Is it possible to find medical insurance to cover my pregnant wife's
    > expenses?
    > should i insure before coming to Cananda or maybe find somone in Canada?
    > Should i metion them about her pregnancy to cover the expenses?
    > Thank you in advance
    > Robert
    > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Your daughter is a Canadian citizen - you don't need to sponsor her.
Only
    > > thing you need is to apply for her proof of citizenship. Your unborn
child
    > > will be a Canadian citizen as well, regardless where born. So, the only
    > > person to sponsor is your wife.
    > >
    > > The most important matter to remember is that inland sponsorship process
    > is
    > > available only to those who gained admission to Canada without fraud,
    > > misrepresentation or omission - thus make sure that you state clearly
your
    > > intentions when entering Canada.
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller
    > > Immigration Consultant
    > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > email: [email protected]
    > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > ________________________________
    > >
    > >
    > > "John Smith" wrote in message
    > > news:6jhKa.13514$KF1.276615@amstwist00...
    > > > I am a Canadian. Wife ( Got married in Toronto) and my 15 months
    > daughter
    > > > are Norwegians. They are currently in Norway and my wife is 5 months
    > > > pregnant. I am moving back to Canada with a permanant job. I am
going
    > > to
    > > > bring them on visiters visa and then sponser within Canada. So, we
have
    > > > packed everything and looking for an excellent medical insurance to
    > cover
    > > > her medical expenses while her stay in Toronto on visiters visa.
    > > > I heard that i can apply for my daughters citizenzip? without even
    > > > sponsering her?? Want some solid information on this.
    > > > I would also like to have all the helps possible on sponsering my
wife,
    > > > daughter and unborn child within Canada while their stay on visitors
    > visa.
    > > > Thank you all..
    > > >
    > > > Robert
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >
 
Old Jun 25th 2003, 4:33 am
  #5  
John Smith
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Default Re: Sponsering my Norwegian wife and child inland

Thanks a lot.........

What if i start the sponsering process while they are in Norway. As this
process goes on, she visits or obtain a visiter visa and come staty with me
until this is done?

My daugher has a Norwegian passport which she can use to come to Canada.
Can she apply for a proof of citizenship after coming here with Norwegian
passport?

Thanks you

Rob


"Andrew Miller" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > I wasn't talking about coming for a visit - I was talking about coming as
    > visitor with the intention to go through the inland sponsorship process
and
    > not disclosing such intention at the port of entry will constitute
omission
    > (at least) and thus it may make your wife ineligible for inland process.
And
    > this is why I said that you guys when entering Canada should disclose your
    > intentions to start inland process.
    > As far as your daughter - it may be somehow tricky if you want to move to
    > Canada fast. Getting proof of citizenship may take at least several weeks
    > and without such proof she may not enter Canada as Canadian citizen. You
    > should have asked questions long ago, before starting packing. Forms and
    > instructions for obtaining proof of citizenship while abroad are here:
    > http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/applications/certif2.html
    > It is absolutely impossible to have pre-existing pregnancy insured - all
    > temporary visitor/tourist insurances cover only emergencies and never
cover
    > any pre-existing conditions. And if your wife is already in her 5th month
    > then there is not a chance for her to become Canadian PR and get
Provincial
    > coverage before baby is born. But once born (if in Canada) baby will be
    > covered under your plan as you can immediately apply for one upon return
to
    > Canada.
    > --
    > ../..
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > ________________________________
    > "John Smith" wrote in message
    > news:5wiKa.13525$KF1.276597@amstwist00...
    > > Thank you Miller for your rapid answer.......
    > >
    > > My wife is not doing any fraud. She has visited Canada for about 3
    > > times leagaly and maintained her visiters visa status. So there is no
    > fraud
    > > or mirepresentaion on her visit. I am glad now that i just have to fill
    > out
    > > only one form for my wife.
    > >
    > > My questions now are..
    > > Should i tell the immigration on wife's arrival about my intention of
    > > sponsering her? or not?
    > > where do i apply for my daughters proff of citizenship?
    > > Is it possible to find medical insurance to cover my pregnant wife's
    > > expenses?
    > > should i insure before coming to Cananda or maybe find somone in Canada?
    > > Should i metion them about her pregnancy to cover the expenses?
    > >
    > > Thank you in advance
    > >
    > > Robert
    > >
    > > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > Your daughter is a Canadian citizen - you don't need to sponsor her.
    > Only
    > > > thing you need is to apply for her proof of citizenship. Your unborn
    > child
    > > > will be a Canadian citizen as well, regardless where born. So, the
only
    > > > person to sponsor is your wife.
    > > >
    > > > The most important matter to remember is that inland sponsorship
process
    > > is
    > > > available only to those who gained admission to Canada without fraud,
    > > > misrepresentation or omission - thus make sure that you state clearly
    > your
    > > > intentions when entering Canada.
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > >
    > > > ../..
    > > >
    > > > Andrew Miller
    > > > Immigration Consultant
    > > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > > email: [email protected]
    > > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > > ________________________________
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > "John Smith" wrote in message
    > > > news:6jhKa.13514$KF1.276615@amstwist00...
    > > > > I am a Canadian. Wife ( Got married in Toronto) and my 15 months
    > > daughter
    > > > > are Norwegians. They are currently in Norway and my wife is 5 months
    > > > > pregnant. I am moving back to Canada with a permanant job. I am
    > going
    > > > to
    > > > > bring them on visiters visa and then sponser within Canada. So, we
    > have
    > > > > packed everything and looking for an excellent medical insurance to
    > > cover
    > > > > her medical expenses while her stay in Toronto on visiters visa.
    > > > > I heard that i can apply for my daughters citizenzip? without
even
    > > > > sponsering her?? Want some solid information on this.
    > > > > I would also like to have all the helps possible on sponsering my
    > wife,
    > > > > daughter and unborn child within Canada while their stay on visitors
    > > visa.
    > > > > Thank you all..
    > > > >
    > > > > Robert
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >
 
Old Jun 25th 2003, 4:45 am
  #6  
Andrew Miller
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Default Re: Sponsering my Norwegian wife and child inland

Yes, you may start sponsorship process from abroad and your wife with her
Norwegian passport shouldn't have problems being admitted as visitor during
the process. But the same rule of disclosing the fact when entering Canada
always applies.

Your daughter's proof of citizenship may be applied for in Canada - forms
and instructions for applying in Canada are here:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/applications/certif.html

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________



"John Smith" wrote in message
news:y9kKa.13545$KF1.276611@amstwist00...
    > Thanks a lot.........
    > What if i start the sponsering process while they are in Norway. As this
    > process goes on, she visits or obtain a visiter visa and come staty with
me
    > until this is done?
    > My daugher has a Norwegian passport which she can use to come to Canada.
    > Can she apply for a proof of citizenship after coming here with Norwegian
    > passport?
    > Thanks you
    > Rob
    > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > I wasn't talking about coming for a visit - I was talking about coming
as
    > > visitor with the intention to go through the inland sponsorship process
    > and
    > > not disclosing such intention at the port of entry will constitute
    > omission
    > > (at least) and thus it may make your wife ineligible for inland process.
    > And
    > > this is why I said that you guys when entering Canada should disclose
your
    > > intentions to start inland process.
    > >
    > > As far as your daughter - it may be somehow tricky if you want to move
to
    > > Canada fast. Getting proof of citizenship may take at least several
weeks
    > > and without such proof she may not enter Canada as Canadian citizen. You
    > > should have asked questions long ago, before starting packing. Forms and
    > > instructions for obtaining proof of citizenship while abroad are here:
    > >
    > > http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/applications/certif2.html
    > >
    > > It is absolutely impossible to have pre-existing pregnancy insured - all
    > > temporary visitor/tourist insurances cover only emergencies and never
    > cover
    > > any pre-existing conditions. And if your wife is already in her 5th
month
    > > then there is not a chance for her to become Canadian PR and get
    > Provincial
    > > coverage before baby is born. But once born (if in Canada) baby will be
    > > covered under your plan as you can immediately apply for one upon return
    > to
    > > Canada.
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller
    > > Immigration Consultant
    > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > email: [email protected]
    > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > ________________________________
    > >
    > >
    > > "John Smith" wrote in message
    > > news:5wiKa.13525$KF1.276597@amstwist00...
    > > > Thank you Miller for your rapid answer.......
    > > >
    > > > My wife is not doing any fraud. She has visited Canada for about
3
    > > > times leagaly and maintained her visiters visa status. So there is no
    > > fraud
    > > > or mirepresentaion on her visit. I am glad now that i just have to
fill
    > > out
    > > > only one form for my wife.
    > > >
    > > > My questions now are..
    > > > Should i tell the immigration on wife's arrival about my intention of
    > > > sponsering her? or not?
    > > > where do i apply for my daughters proff of citizenship?
    > > > Is it possible to find medical insurance to cover my pregnant wife's
    > > > expenses?
    > > > should i insure before coming to Cananda or maybe find somone in
Canada?
    > > > Should i metion them about her pregnancy to cover the expenses?
    > > >
    > > > Thank you in advance
    > > >
    > > > Robert
    > > >
    > > > "Andrew Miller" wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > Your daughter is a Canadian citizen - you don't need to sponsor her.
    > > Only
    > > > > thing you need is to apply for her proof of citizenship. Your unborn
    > > child
    > > > > will be a Canadian citizen as well, regardless where born. So, the
    > only
    > > > > person to sponsor is your wife.
    > > > >
    > > > > The most important matter to remember is that inland sponsorship
    > process
    > > > is
    > > > > available only to those who gained admission to Canada without
fraud,
    > > > > misrepresentation or omission - thus make sure that you state
clearly
    > > your
    > > > > intentions when entering Canada.
    > > > >
    > > > > --
    > > > >
    > > > > ../..
    > > > >
    > > > > Andrew Miller
    > > > > Immigration Consultant
    > > > > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > > > > email: [email protected]
    > > > > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > > > > ________________________________
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > "John Smith" wrote in message
    > > > > news:6jhKa.13514$KF1.276615@amstwist00...
    > > > > > I am a Canadian. Wife ( Got married in Toronto) and my 15 months
    > > > daughter
    > > > > > are Norwegians. They are currently in Norway and my wife is 5
months
    > > > > > pregnant. I am moving back to Canada with a permanant job. I am
    > > going
    > > > > to
    > > > > > bring them on visiters visa and then sponser within Canada. So,
we
    > > have
    > > > > > packed everything and looking for an excellent medical insurance
to
    > > > cover
    > > > > > her medical expenses while her stay in Toronto on visiters visa.
    > > > > > I heard that i can apply for my daughters citizenzip? without
    > even
    > > > > > sponsering her?? Want some solid information on this.
    > > > > > I would also like to have all the helps possible on sponsering my
    > > wife,
    > > > > > daughter and unborn child within Canada while their stay on
visitors
    > > > visa.
    > > > > > Thank you all..
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Robert
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    > >
 
Old Jun 25th 2003, 6:18 am
  #7  
Bodza Bodza
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"John Smith" wrote:
    > My wife is not doing any fraud. She has visited Canada for about 3
    > times leagaly and maintained her visiters visa status. So there is no fraud
    > or mirepresentaion on her visit. I am glad now that i just have to fill out
    > only one form for my wife.
    >
    > My questions now are..
    > Should i tell the immigration on wife's arrival about my intention of
    > sponsering her? or not?
    > where do i apply for my daughters proff of citizenship?
    > Is it possible to find medical insurance to cover my pregnant wife's
    > expenses?
    > should i insure before coming to Cananda or maybe find somone in Canada?
    > Should i metion them about her pregnancy to cover the expenses?

Andrew is prudent so won't tell you what are the loopholes. That's
because he's one of the best most honest lawyers on this newsgroup and
wouldn't advise you to do anything risky.

I'm not a lawyer however and can tell you the possibilities:

The key thing is that you have to be up front with immigration so
there are only two routes open to you.

1. You tell them your plans and say that you intend to sponsor your
wife inland as soon as she arrives. The risks to this are that they
turn her around and you will have to sponsor her from outside. In
practise, this almost never happens.

2. You change your plans and you are only going to work in Canada
temporarily.
Your wife comes to visit you and while there she changes her mind and
you call immigration to find out how to stay. You sponsor her inland.
If I were going to go this route (and I'm not suggesting you should or
should not, merely pointing out possibilities) then I wouldn't make
any arrangements that were indicative of wanting a long term stay of
more than six months (until perhaps a couple months after arriving).

In neither case is this intended as legal advise and I am not an
expert, merely someone who has completed the process.
 
Old Jun 25th 2003, 8:53 pm
  #8  
Sylvian
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Default Re: Sponsering my Norwegian wife and child inland

Bodza Bodza

I am a UK citizen who plans to marry my Canadian girlfriend in Sept within
Canada and then apply from within for PR. Do you see any problems with the
immigration people at the Point of Entry? I will be totally upfront and
honest with them of our intentions.

Thanks
Graham

"Bodza Bodza" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > "John Smith" wrote:
    > > My wife is not doing any fraud. She has visited Canada for about 3
    > > times leagaly and maintained her visiters visa status. So there is no
fraud
    > > or mirepresentaion on her visit. I am glad now that i just have to fill
out
    > > only one form for my wife.
    > >
    > > My questions now are..
    > > Should i tell the immigration on wife's arrival about my intention of
    > > sponsering her? or not?
    > > where do i apply for my daughters proff of citizenship?
    > > Is it possible to find medical insurance to cover my pregnant wife's
    > > expenses?
    > > should i insure before coming to Cananda or maybe find somone in Canada?
    > > Should i metion them about her pregnancy to cover the expenses?
    > Andrew is prudent so won't tell you what are the loopholes. That's
    > because he's one of the best most honest lawyers on this newsgroup and
    > wouldn't advise you to do anything risky.
    > I'm not a lawyer however and can tell you the possibilities:
    > The key thing is that you have to be up front with immigration so
    > there are only two routes open to you.
    > 1. You tell them your plans and say that you intend to sponsor your
    > wife inland as soon as she arrives. The risks to this are that they
    > turn her around and you will have to sponsor her from outside. In
    > practise, this almost never happens.
    > 2. You change your plans and you are only going to work in Canada
    > temporarily.
    > Your wife comes to visit you and while there she changes her mind and
    > you call immigration to find out how to stay. You sponsor her inland.
    > If I were going to go this route (and I'm not suggesting you should or
    > should not, merely pointing out possibilities) then I wouldn't make
    > any arrangements that were indicative of wanting a long term stay of
    > more than six months (until perhaps a couple months after arriving).
    > In neither case is this intended as legal advise and I am not an
    > expert, merely someone who has completed the process.
 
Old Jul 6th 2003, 3:56 am
  #9  
Bodza Bodza
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"Sylvian" wrote:
    > Bodza Bodza
    >
    > I am a UK citizen who plans to marry my Canadian girlfriend in Sept within
    > Canada and then apply from within for PR. Do you see any problems with the
    > immigration people at the Point of Entry? I will be totally upfront and
    > honest with them of our intentions.

Unless you have any reason to think you might be inadmissible there's
a good chance you will be OK. I'm not going to lie to you and say
there is no chance that you will be refused, because there is a chance
you will be refused.

I really don't know what their reaction will be since I haven't did
the:
"Hello Mr Immigration Officer, I'm coming to Canada to marry my
girlfriend and then I plan to immigrate from within Canada" line.

Wizzard came to get married and then went back to the UK. He told them
and they were OK with it.

There might be risks in what you are doing. You should be prepared for
the possibility that you have to do Wizzard's method.

Why don't you call them and ask them? They're not likely to ask for
your name and record it so they can refuse you later.

The "third way" would be to have the intention to get married in
Canada and go back to the UK but a couple days after the wedding have
second thoughts and decided you can't bear to be parted. If it were me
(and this is not advice, just what *I* would have done if it were me)
this is the route I would take:
Intend to do it outside, and well, if, you change your mind when there
then oh well, you changed your mind.
 

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