Siouxie

You are welcome! If by some remote chance your PR application hadn't been finalised by then, you would ask them for another letter of support and apply to extend the work permit (but I think it's highly unlikely that it would take 2 years for Immigration Canada to process the application) - Express Entry is relatively fast, provided you have given them all the information and documentation in a timely manner. With Provincial Nomination you normally have a maximum of 6 months to submit the full application from the time you are nominated. Paper applications for Provincial Nomination and subsequent application for PR take FAR longer than Provincial Nomination through Express Entry, so do try to check that you can apply through PNP EE per the link in my previous post.

Citizenship is a long way down the road yet - once you become a Permanent Resident then remain in Canada for 3 years (some of the time on a Temp Work Permit can count towards that - you get 50% 'credit' for days of residence on a TWP to a maximum of 12 months

Take your time to read through all the help files and guides on the website and ask all the questions you like here! Whilst the "Doctors" thread is very long, it's really worth reading, lots of very helpful information particularly for BC doctors. Chat for and with Canadian Family Practitioners/ex UK General Practitioners

__TJ__

Siouxie

With regards to having to travel to the border if you are in Canada under a TWP when COPR is granted, you don't have to go to the border or leave the country unless you want to. You can go to an Inland Office to process the COPR and do your "landing" interview and become Permanent Residents.

How do I validate a Confirmation of Permanent Residence or a permanent resident visa if I live in Canada?As to the question on Mortgages, that's isn't necessarily true, most of the big banks will give mortgages to people on a temporary work permit - and there's a 'newcomer to Canada' mortgage to help reduce the level of deposit needed and alternative ways to prove credit worthiness. Most brokers can find you alternative lenders if you can't meet the requirements for the bigger banks too.

New To Canada Program - Products - Genworth Canada - Genworth Canada - Homeownership

Snowroll

Thanks. I wonder why does getting the PR take so long with a TWP, one would think that it should be faster than starting from scratch/abroad. Is there any way to expedite things, or is this just the way the system works?
The mortgage problem might be a drawback, as we would like to get one as soon as possible (will rent when we arrive). However, I see that @Siouxie has provided another perspective, so it might not be so bad. But anyway, as nearly all rentals that we looked at so far, require a minimum of one year lease, waiting a few more months on top of that for the PR and a mortgage, is something we could live with.


Thanks. I'm going to bookmark this thread and return to it quite a few times
It seems, at the moment, that we will choose the PNP/TWP route to get to Canada. When would be the right time to start the PR process? Is it as soon as we get to Canada, or nearing the end of the TWP? I know it's further down the line, but what is the recommended procedure for that?

Siouxie

As I mentioned in previous posts, when you apply under Provincial Nomination you are required to submit the full application for Permanent Residency normally within 6 months of being nominated. Provincial Nomination can be considered a 1st stage of the application for Permanent Residency. The TWP is something you would be able to apply for (with a letter of support) after the '1st stage' of the PR application is in place i.e. you have been nominated for Permanent Residency by the Province. (for some an LMIA would be necessary but with a letter of support from the nominating Province that normally isn't a requirement)

It may be of help to read up on it so that there is no further confusion (you should definitely read up on EE PNP and the steps you will need to do).
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...ees/works.html

The length of time it takes for one person is not the same as it may take for another - additionally it depends on whether the application for Provincial Nomination and Permanent Residency is done via the paper process or through Express entry - as explained up thread.. they are not the same process. You can apply for PNP and subsequent Permanent Residency without every applying for a Temporary Work Permit - the TWP is a bonus, not a requirement, for most routes for PNP..

On the 'rental' subject most rentals are for a minimum of 1 year, anything you may find (such as executive rentals) that may be shorter term tend to be extremely expensive. https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/h...tial-tenancies

Banks offer mortgages to temporary work permit holders, again, what may be an issue for one person obtaining a mortgage may not be an issue at all for another... for example - https://www.rbc.com/newcomers/what-we-offer.html - and the Newcomer Mortgage I linked to up thread is available to most people who are new to Canada.

You are not comparing apples with apples necessarily.

christmasoompa

One thing to check is if EE PNP will be an option. I know previously Healthmatch BC have refused to support EE PNP apps, for some unknown reason, and so if the OP is using Healthmatch then it may be the much slower paper based route will be the only way to PR. Previous thread on the subject - Residency via EE or PNP

Personally, if I were the OP I'd still look to see if eligible for PR via EE now, and get that underway if so whilst waiting for a job offer/LMIA to get a TWP. They may have PR before moving then.

christmasoompa

Just for the sake of anybody reading, the rules changed to only 3 years of PR in October 2017, plus you could count time on TWP's or other visas as half time towards the citizenship requirement. So you could have applied earlier if you wished, just wanted to point that out in case anybody thought you had to wait for 4 years of PR which isn't the case any longer.

Siouxie

I wasn't aware of that - thank you christmasoompa! You make a very good point and a case for getting the application in for EE as soon as possible.

+1

Snowroll

Thank you christmasoompa and Siouxie for your insights - and patience, this is still a bit overwhelming and confusing. christmasoompa ,you're right, Healthmatch BC made it very clear that they only support the PNP/TWP pathway. They have been, at least so far, very helpful and approachable and we would like to think that their advice carries some weight.

Why is it so important to get the PR now, via EE, if we can - most likely - get it 18 months after we arrive on a TWP?

The way we see it, the PNP route is easier, cheaper and will allow us to get to Canada a lot faster.
In terms of time till citizenship, only 50% of the time on TWP will be lost.
We will have the same privileges that EE newcomers enjoy.

In all likelihood, the demand for GP's will not subside in the next couple of years, so even if the clinic will choose not to renew the contract, my wife should be able to find a new job within the required time-frame. Or are we being overly optimistic here? Were there any GP's who were on a TWP that ran out and couldn't secure another job in time?

So, except the fact that we will have to deal with a new immigration process down the line (which should be annoying, but just a formality?), and lose about 9 months in the race to citizenship, what other repercussions should we expect if we will indeed choose the PNP/TWP route?

christmasoompa

PNP EE or PNP paper based application? I've never understood why they've insisted on the old slower and more onerous paper based system, and am hoping they've changed that now.

Why do you think it's easier and cheaper? You're still applying for PR, but you have an extra step in the process so it's actually more complicated, plus you have the PNP fees to pay as well ($700 irrc), so it's more expensive than a FSW app.

Not until you get PR you won't.

There are various reasons that would make me choose applying for PR now and moving with it rather than moving on a TWP personally. I'd just rather have the security of moving with PR (particularly with a family) and knowing that I can go anywhere in Canada, work for anybody I want, and can't be kicked out unless I commit a heinous crime or committed fraud on my application. On a TWP you're tied to that one employer until you get PR, it's just nowhere near as secure. There are other advantage of having PR versus being on a TWP, such as teenage children being able to work (they can't as dependents of a TWP holder), and if they are approaching college/uni age being able to qualify for local tuition rates rather than international, but I don't know if those things would be relevant to you. Plus things like being able to get mortgages easier etc.

Obviously it's your call, and I've no idea if your wife scores enough for PR via EE without a job offer so it may be a moot point, but that's just what I would do and would be some of my reasons for applying now and getting PR before moving.

HTH.

Snowroll

Thanks.
I still don't know if it's PNP EE or PNP paper based application, I'll contact Health Match for some clarification.
We were under the impression that the PNP/TWP is an easier process. In regards to the fees, if it's only a few hundred $ difference in total, it doesn't really matter, either way.
What newcomer privileges are not available for a TWP?
I found this on RBC's website:

And:
Up until now we were focused on the professional side of the process, and now that we are looking into the actual immigration process, we're still confused...
After speaking to HMBC, the plan was to start the PNP/TWP process in September/October. According to them, if we choose their suggested pathway, we can expect to be in Canada by January 2020. To our understanding, if we choose the EE/PR route, we will lose HMBC support in the process, and it will be some more months, before we could make the move.
In normal circumstances we would go for the PR route, but it's mostly because we have a house that we are renting, which is about to be sold (already on the market and viewed a few times), and my wife's leased car will expire in September - that we prefer moving to Canada asap, rather than face both a car and a housing problem.
So, that has made our main goal to move to Canada asap. As long as the TWP won't put us at an extremely bad position, we think we'll be OK with dealing with the PR once we're there. When I say 'extremely bad position' I mean, mostly, being able to get a credit card and a mortgage (a year after the move). From speaking to a GP who has made the move on a TWP, it shouldn't be a problem.

Having said that, we're still undecided as to which pathway to choose. We still have some reading to do...
I hope some GP's who took the BC PNP TWP route will read this thread and be able to share their actual experience.

Siouxie

Look/search for posts by Snoopdawg on this thread - he is a GP in BC who has posted lots of very useful information.. and there are others who have gone through the PNP process on that thread, it's very long so you may need to make a cuppa - or something stronger!
Chat for and with Canadian Family Practitioners/ex UK General Practitioners

https://britishexpats.com/forum/sear...rchid=11179282


and this post: British GP looking to move to BC