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Simple(ish) Conjugal Partner questions

Old Oct 21st 2003, 7:44 am
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Erica In Uk
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Hi Guys, wonder if anyone could help us.

I'm sure they're simple if you know the answer :-)

1) IMM0008 Generic question 9 - CURRENT marital status - we have put down
never married. We're assuming this is right for Conjugal Partner.

2) IMM0008 - You need to account for your activites and addresses for the
last 10 years, or since 18.
Other forms explicitly state to continue/explain on a seperate sheet of
paper. This one doesn't, and there won't be enough space on the form given.
Will this need to be continued on a seperate sheet?

3) Does a Notary Public need to certify letters written by family and
friends (testimonials) supporting and recognising the conjugal relationship?
From what I can see in the documentation, these are not specifically
requested, so there is no mention of the need for a Notary.

4) Evidence - I personally have collated about 10 e-mails, 5 letters, a
sheet or three of phone bills and about 10 photos. My conjugal partner will
probably add the same amount. There are *lots* more but we won't want to
snow CIC under. Is this a decent amount to submit, along with the promise of
more if required?

5) How many passport pictures of the applicant will need to be supplied,
excluding those used for the medical forms?

6) Do you class short (2-3 week) stays in Canada as living there for the
benefit of IMM0008? (considering we will be using these as periods of
co-habitation)

Thanks in advance, and good luck to all.
 
Old Oct 21st 2003, 11:29 am
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Hi Erica,

A word of warning, but you'll need proof of financial ties along with strong proof why you haven't married or become common-law (finances, want to get married next year isn't good enough).

I sponsored my bf from the UK as a conjugal without these and they've now asked us to marry within the the next 3 months to prove our relationship (we've been together for 3 years, long distance for 1), as we could have A) lived together for a year as there is no barrier between the UK and Canada (again financial ie, partner can't work in Canada, isn't good enough) or B) married. There is another case of this on another board as well.

I hope I'm not the bearer of bad news but if we'd known this before it would have saved a lot of headaches. The guide is bit misleading and underworded for what they're actually looking for.

Good Luck,
S.





Originally posted by Erica In Uk
Hi Guys, wonder if anyone could help us.

I'm sure they're simple if you know the answer :-)

1) IMM0008 Generic question 9 - CURRENT marital status - we have put down
never married. We're assuming this is right for Conjugal Partner.

2) IMM0008 - You need to account for your activites and addresses for the
last 10 years, or since 18.
Other forms explicitly state to continue/explain on a seperate sheet of
paper. This one doesn't, and there won't be enough space on the form given.
Will this need to be continued on a seperate sheet?

3) Does a Notary Public need to certify letters written by family and
friends (testimonials) supporting and recognising the conjugal relationship?
From what I can see in the documentation, these are not specifically
requested, so there is no mention of the need for a Notary.

4) Evidence - I personally have collated about 10 e-mails, 5 letters, a
sheet or three of phone bills and about 10 photos. My conjugal partner will
probably add the same amount. There are *lots* more but we won't want to
snow CIC under. Is this a decent amount to submit, along with the promise of
more if required?

5) How many passport pictures of the applicant will need to be supplied,
excluding those used for the medical forms?

6) Do you class short (2-3 week) stays in Canada as living there for the
benefit of IMM0008? (considering we will be using these as periods of
co-habitation)

Thanks in advance, and good luck to all.
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Old Oct 21st 2003, 4:38 pm
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I can try to answer a few of your questions...

    > 1) IMM0008 Generic question 9 - CURRENT marital status - we have put down
    > never married. We're assuming this is right for Conjugal Partner.

yeah, that's what we did.


    >
    > 2) IMM0008 - You need to account for your activites and addresses for the
    > last 10 years, or since 18.
    > Other forms explicitly state to continue/explain on a seperate sheet of
    > paper. This one doesn't, and there won't be enough space on the form given.
    > Will this need to be continued on a seperate sheet?
    >



Yeah; that will be fine.




    > 3) Does a Notary Public need to certify letters written by family and
    > friends (testimonials) supporting and recognising the conjugal relationship?
    > From what I can see in the documentation, these are not specifically
    > requested, so there is no mention of the need for a Notary.
    >



They prefer notarized declarations. Actually (unless I'm mistaken),
part of the defninition of "statutory declaration" is the presumption
that the statement will be witnessed by a notary public, or similar
person on that position (who is qualified to be a witness and verify
the identity of those who are signing the declaration).


So yeah, try to get at least two declarations witnessed by a notary.
We had three. (however, what's really funny about statutory
declarations is that the people who make them are rarely ever
contacted by CIC. Which, to me, is a bit strange and
counterproductive. I mean, if you have a question about a particular
couple, or are wondering about the bona fides of their relationship,
then CONTACT the people who are making the declarations! Only makes
perfect, logical, practical sense to me)









    > 4) Evidence - I personally have collated about 10 e-mails, 5 letters, a
    > sheet or three of phone bills and about 10 photos. My conjugal partner will
    > probably add the same amount. There are *lots* more but we won't want to
    > snow CIC under. Is this a decent amount to submit, along with the promise of
    > more if required?
    >

Well, this is a bit of a difficult subject these days. Lately
(especially the consulate in London England), CIC has been reported to
have been very "sticky" and shifty about their "conjugal partner"
requirements.

If you two have any evidence of financial ties, I'd strongly suggest
you include some proof of that as well. My partner and I have over 5
years of relationship history, and we sent in emails, photos, boarding
passes, evidence of joint-trips, plenty of phone bills over the years,
personal letters and evidence of package-swapping over the years. And
yet, we have to interview. If you want a better chance of not getting
interviewed, then try to attach some "financial interdependency"
information to further your case. For some reason, an officer or two
in London have all of a sudden insisted that lack of financial ties
implies that there is no real conjugal relationship. I, myself, find
this to be rubbish (and even the officer manual itself notes that
financial ties is only ONE area that shoes mutual exclusivity.
Emotional, social, and physical ties should also be considered). But,
depending on who is assessing your application, they could really be
"bitchy" about that area.


Sorry for the epic novel there; but our interview is in November in
L.A.. and the fact that interviews lately for conjugal have gotten
more....picky about certain requirements, we've been a bit nervous.
We don't have a lot of "financial ties," but all we can do is explain
why.


    : ) so if you have a joint bank account, or are beneficiaries to
each other's pensions, life insurance, etc, then make sure you include
that proof with your application! For strict meanies like they have
in London!




    > 5) How many passport pictures of the applicant will need to be supplied,
    > excluding those used for the medical forms?
    >

passport photos is another sticky subject for me. We included
negatives, which were NOT cheap to provide; and all of a sudden, CIC
doesn't NEED negatives. Well, fancy that. Anyway, as far as I can
tell, you still need four. And CIC Buffalo's photo dimensions are
really WHACKY, too. Good luck finding a photo-place that will be more
than happy to cut them to that most crazy size. (I had to cut them
down myself with an xacto knife!)


    > 6) Do you class short (2-3 week) stays in Canada as living there for the
    > benefit of IMM0008? (considering we will be using these as periods of
    > co-habitation)
    >

Hmm. not sure what to tell ya about that one...sure, why not.

; )

I'll tell you this: when we obtained our CAIPS notes (to try to
figure out why we were targeted for an interview), it happened to
mention that we have not "resided together." So, even if you write
down all your 2-3 week stays; in the end, they may not consider those
to be "living together" periods anyway.


Hope I've helped a bit! Good luck to you!


Robin
 
Old Oct 21st 2003, 5:02 pm
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Hello,

I went through the same process almost except for the partner thing, heres my answers to some of your questions:-

2) IMM0008 - You need to account for your activites and addresses for the
last 10 years, or since 18.

Yes make up a new sheet with a word processor with the same headings and type in your activities, make sure you dont miss a single day or month and crosscheck this page against any other later on that asks you the same stuff.

3) Does a Notary Public need to certify letters written by family and
friends

I didnt get mine certified but be thorough and do it anyhow, they will appreciate the thoroughness, they probably get really annoyed with a badly written application.


4) Evidence - I personally have collated about 10 e-mails, 5 letters,

Sounds very decent.

5) How many passport pictures of the applicant will need to be supplied,
excluding those used for the medical forms?

I think I got through about 16? make sure the photographer who takes it doesnt go all fancy and gives you a shaded background with you turning your head, I got nagged at when I arrived in immigration and they took another one of me in their photo room.

6) Do you class short (2-3 week) stays in Canada as living there for the
benefit of IMM0008? (considering we will be using these as periods of
co-habitation)

I have, you must spend 270 days out of 5 years to qualify (I think), as long as you can make up the days and within the 5 years you can come and go as you please but have a good reason for your absence. I read somewhere that if you set up a business in canada and run it while you are out of the country back in the UK, you can claim that as residency too.

I hope this helps, email me at [email protected] if you have any more questions.
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Old Oct 22nd 2003, 4:46 am
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"Sara Ann" <member@british_expats.com> wrote in message
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    > Hi Erica,
    > A word of warning, but you'll need proof of financial ties along with
    > strong proof why you haven't married or become common-law (finances,
    > want to get married next year isn't good enough).
    > I sponsored my bf from the UK as a conjugal without these and they've
    > now asked us to marry within the the next 3 months to prove our
    > relationship (we've been together for 3 years, long distance for 1), as
    > we could have A) lived together for a year as there is no barrier
    > between the UK and Canada (again financial ie, partner can't work in
    > Canada, isn't good enough) or B) married. There is another case of this
    > on another board as well.
    > I hope I'm not the bearer of bad news but if we'd known this before it
    > would have saved a lot of headaches. The guide is bit misleading and
    > underworded for what they're actually looking for.

Hi Sara

Sorry to hear about your situation.
My boyfriend and I have been together for more than 6 years, and i'd
consider us to be conjugal for over 4 of those.
We have been to see each other nearly 10 times, and have lived together for
up to a month at a time.

We don't want to get married, and we have made this clear - we have not
mentioned engagement or anything that would make people believe we plan on
marrying. We haven't been able to live as common-law due to our educational
commitments in our own countries, and we can prove this.
We have a joint account, evidence of all of our communication and visits,
approval from our family and friends and pretty much all the application
asks for by means of proof.

Apart from that, there's not much else we can do.
 
Old Oct 22nd 2003, 4:46 am
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"Robin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > I can try to answer a few of your questions...
    > > 1) IMM0008 Generic question 9 - CURRENT marital status - we have put
down
    > > never married. We're assuming this is right for Conjugal Partner.
    > yeah, that's what we did.
    > >
    > > 2) IMM0008 - You need to account for your activites and addresses for
the
    > > last 10 years, or since 18.
    > > Other forms explicitly state to continue/explain on a seperate sheet of
    > > paper. This one doesn't, and there won't be enough space on the form
given.
    > > Will this need to be continued on a seperate sheet?
    > >
    > Yeah; that will be fine.
    > > 3) Does a Notary Public need to certify letters written by family and
    > > friends (testimonials) supporting and recognising the conjugal
relationship?
    > > From what I can see in the documentation, these are not specifically
    > > requested, so there is no mention of the need for a Notary.
    > >
    > They prefer notarized declarations. Actually (unless I'm mistaken),
    > part of the defninition of "statutory declaration" is the presumption
    > that the statement will be witnessed by a notary public, or similar
    > person on that position (who is qualified to be a witness and verify
    > the identity of those who are signing the declaration).
    > So yeah, try to get at least two declarations witnessed by a notary.
    > We had three. (however, what's really funny about statutory
    > declarations is that the people who make them are rarely ever
    > contacted by CIC. Which, to me, is a bit strange and
    > counterproductive. I mean, if you have a question about a particular
    > couple, or are wondering about the bona fides of their relationship,
    > then CONTACT the people who are making the declarations! Only makes
    > perfect, logical, practical sense to me)
    > > 4) Evidence - I personally have collated about 10 e-mails, 5 letters, a
    > > sheet or three of phone bills and about 10 photos. My conjugal partner
will
    > > probably add the same amount. There are *lots* more but we won't want to
    > > snow CIC under. Is this a decent amount to submit, along with the
promise of
    > > more if required?
    > >
    > Well, this is a bit of a difficult subject these days. Lately
    > (especially the consulate in London England), CIC has been reported to
    > have been very "sticky" and shifty about their "conjugal partner"
    > requirements.
    > If you two have any evidence of financial ties, I'd strongly suggest
    > you include some proof of that as well. My partner and I have over 5
    > years of relationship history, and we sent in emails, photos, boarding
    > passes, evidence of joint-trips, plenty of phone bills over the years,
    > personal letters and evidence of package-swapping over the years. And
    > yet, we have to interview. If you want a better chance of not getting
    > interviewed, then try to attach some "financial interdependency"
    > information to further your case. For some reason, an officer or two
    > in London have all of a sudden insisted that lack of financial ties
    > implies that there is no real conjugal relationship. I, myself, find
    > this to be rubbish (and even the officer manual itself notes that
    > financial ties is only ONE area that shoes mutual exclusivity.
    > Emotional, social, and physical ties should also be considered). But,
    > depending on who is assessing your application, they could really be
    > "bitchy" about that area.
    > Sorry for the epic novel there; but our interview is in November in
    > L.A.. and the fact that interviews lately for conjugal have gotten
    > more....picky about certain requirements, we've been a bit nervous.
    > We don't have a lot of "financial ties," but all we can do is explain
    > why.
    > : ) so if you have a joint bank account, or are beneficiaries to
    > each other's pensions, life insurance, etc, then make sure you include
    > that proof with your application! For strict meanies like they have
    > in London!
    > > 5) How many passport pictures of the applicant will need to be supplied,
    > > excluding those used for the medical forms?
    > >
    > passport photos is another sticky subject for me. We included
    > negatives, which were NOT cheap to provide; and all of a sudden, CIC
    > doesn't NEED negatives. Well, fancy that. Anyway, as far as I can
    > tell, you still need four. And CIC Buffalo's photo dimensions are
    > really WHACKY, too. Good luck finding a photo-place that will be more
    > than happy to cut them to that most crazy size. (I had to cut them
    > down myself with an xacto knife!)
    > > 6) Do you class short (2-3 week) stays in Canada as living there for the
    > > benefit of IMM0008? (considering we will be using these as periods of
    > > co-habitation)
    > >
    > Hmm. not sure what to tell ya about that one...sure, why not.
    > ; )
    > I'll tell you this: when we obtained our CAIPS notes (to try to
    > figure out why we were targeted for an interview), it happened to
    > mention that we have not "resided together." So, even if you write
    > down all your 2-3 week stays; in the end, they may not consider those
    > to be "living together" periods anyway.
    > Hope I've helped a bit! Good luck to you!

Thanks Robin.

As I have said to Sara, we have a joint bank account, so will be able to
provide evidence of this.
We're about worried about the whole Notary thing - we've made some calls and
just to get two letters signed in front of one will cost £60 (about $132)!!!
We're going to have a close look at the forms and see if they mention a
statutory declaration as being required.
It's not so much the cost that will be a pain, it's rounding up the
necessary people and getting them off work and in front of a Notary. Which
doesn't happen to open at weekends
 
Old Oct 22nd 2003, 4:46 am
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Erica In Uk
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"Dibbler" <member@british_expats.com> wrote in message
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    > Hello,
    > I went through the same process almost except for the partner thing,
    > heres my answers to some of your questions:-
    > 2) IMM0008 - You need to account for your activites and addresses for
    > the
    > last 10 years, or since 18.
    > Yes make up a new sheet with a word processor with the same headings and
    > type in your activities, make sure you dont miss a single day or month
    > and crosscheck this page against any other later on that asks you the
    > same stuff.
    > 3) Does a Notary Public need to certify letters written by family and
    > friends
    > I didnt get mine certified but be thorough and do it anyhow, they will
    > appreciate the thoroughness, they probably get really annoyed with a
    > badly written application.
    > 4) Evidence - I personally have collated about 10 e-mails, 5 letters,
    > Sounds very decent.
    > 5) How many passport pictures of the applicant will need to be supplied,
    > excluding those used for the medical forms?
    > I think I got through about 16? make sure the photographer who takes it
    > doesnt go all fancy and gives you a shaded background with you turning
    > your head, I got nagged at when I arrived in immigration and they took
    > another one of me in their photo room.
    > 6) Do you class short (2-3 week) stays in Canada as living there for the
    > benefit of IMM0008? (considering we will be using these as periods of
    > co-habitation)
    > I have, you must spend 270 days out of 5 years to qualify (I think),
    > as long as you can make up the days and within the 5 years you can
    > come and go as you please but have a good reason for your absence. I
    > read somewhere that if you set up a business in canada and run it
    > while you are out of the country back in the UK, you can claim that as
    > residency too.

Hi and thanks for your help.

Did your application succeed without the letters notarised?
As i've said to Robin, i'm not opposed to getting it done and the cost, it's
just going to be very, very difficult to round up family and friends in one
place during the working week to get this done
 
Old Oct 22nd 2003, 6:16 am
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Erica In Uk
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Hi all

Just to update, I called CIC in Vancouver after reading the guide (it states
at least TWO Statutory Declarations must be made).
I confirmed that a Statutory Declaration can only be made in front of a
Notary.
So, as soon as he can arrange it, my Boyfriend will get his parents and
hopefully (if he can get out of work) a friend to do this in the next week.
My parents will also get it done, but it's no hassle for them as my dad has
a Notary friend!

So we'll meet the at least TWO - the other letters will be "unofficial" but
will hopefully add further weight.

Just thought i'd give the official CIC line in case someone Googles this
question up.
 
Old Oct 22nd 2003, 11:55 am
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    > We're about worried about the whole Notary thing - we've made some calls and
    > just to get two letters signed in front of one will cost £60 (about $132)!!!
    >


holy CRAP. You're being SWINDLED. It should cost you no more than
20 bucks per declaration.


(I think one of the declarations we did cost 10 bucks, another was 1
buck [my landlord wrote a statement and had someone on campus, where
he works, notarize it. This notary charges one dollar per page], and
the notary my parents used is a lawyer they know, so she did it for
free)


try to find a notary who isn't ripping you right off! that's a load
of bull, charging 60 pounds. Shame on them.


Robin
 
Old Oct 22nd 2003, 8:23 pm
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Erica In Uk
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"Robin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > > We're about worried about the whole Notary thing - we've made some calls
and
    > > just to get two letters signed in front of one will cost £60 (about
$132)!!!
    > >
    > holy CRAP. You're being SWINDLED. It should cost you no more than
    > 20 bucks per declaration.
    > (I think one of the declarations we did cost 10 bucks, another was 1
    > buck [my landlord wrote a statement and had someone on campus, where
    > he works, notarize it. This notary charges one dollar per page], and
    > the notary my parents used is a lawyer they know, so she did it for
    > free)
    > try to find a notary who isn't ripping you right off! that's a load
    > of bull, charging 60 pounds. Shame on them.

I've found one guy who will do it for £35. He said that this is his minimum
possible charge - his hourly rate is £85 as opposed to the first one's £180.
I have one other place to try, but they never answer the phone. And that's
no suprise when with that sort of money, you only need to work about 2 hours
a day.
 

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