Salvaging PR Status if Possible

Old Jan 23rd 2017, 8:06 am
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Originally Posted by SchnookoLoly
If you get caught lying you are in way more trouble, so I would not under any circumstances recommend lying on a federal form. Misrepresentation is a big deal.
i am not encouraging people to lye but its seems there are some big loop holes in the system when it comes to retaining PR if yours has expired?

as a side note when i got my sons PRTD I also asked for Multi trips...however his PRTD is valid for 26 months but mine is only 12 months??
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Originally Posted by cheeky_monkey
My understanding is you can write what you like on the landing card in terms of leaving date as immigration do not know when you left as they do not track people leaving the country only those coming in..so theoretically if you left say 4 years ago you could just say you left 1 year ago and they wouldn't know??
Well depending what passport they are using and what country they flew into there just might be that entry stamp into that country.
Lying on the form E311 has it been done yes it has. Have they been caught yes they have. Have they then been reported for Misrepresentation yes they have. Have they then lost their PR status then yes they have. In the most extreme case of having criminal charges under IRPA being laid for Misrepresentation then the form E311 has been used as evidence against the person as there is a signed declaration at the bottom of the card stating that the information is true and complete.
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publicati...s/e311-eng.pdf

At the moment this thread is all what if and what could happen or may not happen. Without a valid PR card or PRTD and flying into Canada the OP won't be getting on a plane. They can try the US route and then cross by vehicle.

Until they hit the border they have no way of knowing if their non compliance with the residency act will be discovered. Yes they would be let in but if reported for it and losing any appeals then they would have to leave Canada.

The OP needs to determine what their risk threshold is and what they will do.
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Old Jan 23rd 2017, 4:46 pm
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Originally Posted by SchnookoLoly
If you get caught lying you are in way more trouble, so I would not under any circumstances recommend lying on a federal form. Misrepresentation is a big deal.
1. Here is an example how misrepresentation can "bite you in bum" Note the guy received his PR status in 1997! Chabanov v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration) - Federal Court
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Old Jan 23rd 2017, 10:20 pm
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Originally Posted by cheeky_monkey
i am not encouraging people to lye but its seems there are some big loop holes in the system when it comes to retaining PR if yours has expired?

as a side note when i got my sons PRTD I also asked for Multi trips...however his PRTD is valid for 26 months but mine is only 12 months??
There is no loophole. A PR card expires not PR status. There is no legal authority to having a PR card when living in Canada its only when you leave Canada and return by a commercial carrier that a valid PR card or permanent resident travel document is required.

Thousands have been living in Canada without a PR card so has their PR status expired?
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Old Jan 24th 2017, 3:19 am
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so you never lose your PR ..until either the govt revokes it or you do?
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Originally Posted by cheeky_monkey
so you never lose your PR ..until either the govt revokes it or you do?
Correct, or you take out Canadian citizenship. That cancels PR status it doesn't revoke it per se.
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Once PR status is granted, you remain a PR until either the Government revokes it, or you surrender it, or you become a citizen.

If you spend more than three years out of Canada in a 5 year period, and the government detect this, they can strip you of your PR status. They will also strip you of it if convicted of certain serious crimes, or if they discover you misrepresented yourself to get it.
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or if they discover you misrepresented yourself to get it.
Like lying on your landing card.
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Originally Posted by SchnookoLoly
Like lying on your landing card.
Or verbally stating to an officer if asked a specific question.
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If the officer is satisfied you are a PR, you have the right to enter (if you show up at the border) even if you are later removed (for not meeting the RO etc).

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If the officer is satisfied you are a PR, you have the right to enter (if you show up at the border) even if you are later removed (for not meeting the RO etc).

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The officer can see your status in Canada when your PP is swiped.
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The officer can see your status in Canada when your PP is swiped.
Do they swipe pp at the land crossing I can't remember them doing ours?
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Do they swipe pp at the land crossing I can't remember them doing ours?
Yes.
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Yes.
So I expect a family with UK PPs that flash up PERMANENT RESIDENT when swiped travelling in a large US reg minivan bulging with suitcases might prompt a polite enquiry or two
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So I expect a family with UK PPs that flash up PERMANENT RESIDENT when swiped travelling in a large US reg minivan bulging with suitcases might prompt a polite enquiry or two
Ya think?
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