Andrew Miller

The Report was tabled in the House today. It recommends several substantial changes
to new Regulations. You may review it here:

http://www.parl.gc.ca/InfoComDoc/37/...cimmrp04-e.htm

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yr0000

why would they want to reduce points for experience from 25 to 20

Pmm

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The Standing Committee's proposed selection grid for independents is a joke. If this
grid was used (which I doubt) nearly everyone who applied would qualify. For example:

High School Diploma 5 Good English 16 4 Years Work Exp. 20 25 Years old 10
C/L Spouse English 3 Relative in Canada 5 Destined N.B., NFLD 7 (Sure they aren't
going to stay there but who checks) Visited Canada for Week 5

Total 71 Proposed Pass 70

Demonstrates how well politicians think. Since nearly everyone would qualify
applications would grind to standstill. Once the first 100-120K accepted in year, no
more for that year. Probably applicants would be looking at 10-15 year wait after
first year. Yet committee says that processing should be less than a year.

To think we voted for these yokels.

PMM

Andrew Miller

PMM - your calculated too many points in the Adaptability factor where the
recommended maximum is 15 points. So, applicant from your example would score only 66
points at best and will not qualify.

I agree that if recommendations would be fully adopted and pass mark set at 70
points then we are back where we were in respect to processing times or even worse,
so I doubt that it gonna happen, at least not without some adjustments. We'll have
to wait and see.

As for politicians' thinking - agreed and I already pointed out that there are
contradictions in the Report.

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"PMM" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Andrew et al "Andrew Miller" <millercitelus.net> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > The Report was tabled in the House today. It recommends several
    > substantial
    > > changes to new Regulations. You may review it here:
    > >
    > > http://www.parl.gc.ca/InfoComDoc/37/...cimmrp04-e.htm
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller Immigration Consultant Vancouver, British Columbia email:
    > > millercicanada.com (delete REMOVE and INVALID from the above address before
    > > sending email)
    > > ________________________________
    >
    > The Standing Committee's proposed selection grid for independents is a joke. If
    > this grid was used (which I doubt) nearly everyone who applied would qualify. For
    > example:
    >
    > High School Diploma 5 Good English 16 4 Years Work Exp. 20 25 Years old 10
    > C/L Spouse English 3 Relative in Canada 5 Destined N.B., NFLD 7 (Sure they aren't
    > going to stay there but who checks) Visited Canada for Week 5
    >
    > Total 71 Proposed Pass 70
    >
    > Demonstrates how well politicians think. Since nearly everyone would qualify
    > applications would grind to standstill. Once the first 100-120K accepted in year,
    > no more for that year. Probably applicants would be looking at 10-15 year wait
    > after first year. Yet committee says that processing should be less than a year.
    >
    > To think we voted for these yokels.
    >
    > PMM

Jim Humphries

Also work experience, to be counted, must be in one of the skilled occuation groups.
Jim Humphries

Andrew Miller wrote:
    >
    > PMM - your calculated too many points in the Adaptability factor where the
    > recommended maximum is 15 points. So, applicant from your example would score only
    > 66 points at best and will not qualify.
    >
    > I agree that if recommendations would be fully adopted and pass mark set at 70
    > points then we are back where we were in respect to processing times or even worse,
    > so I doubt that it gonna happen, at least not without some adjustments. We'll have
    > to wait and see.
    >
    > As for politicians' thinking - agreed and I already pointed out that there are
    > contradictions in the Report.
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    > "PMM" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Andrew et al "Andrew Miller" <millercitelus.net> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > The Report was tabled in the House today. It recommends several
    > > substantial
    > > > changes to new Regulations. You may review it here:
    > > >
    > > > http://www.parl.gc.ca/InfoComDoc/37/...cimmrp04-e.htm
    > > >
    > > > --
    > > >
    > > > ../..
    > > >
    > > > Andrew Miller Immigration Consultant Vancouver, British Columbia email:
    > > > millercicanada.com (delete REMOVE and INVALID from the above address before
    > > > sending email)
    > > > ________________________________
    > >
    > > The Standing Committee's proposed selection grid for independents is a joke. If
    > > this grid was used (which I doubt) nearly everyone who applied would qualify. For
    > > example:
    > >
    > > High School Diploma 5 Good English 16 4 Years Work Exp. 20 25 Years old 10
    > > C/L Spouse English 3 Relative in Canada 5 Destined N.B., NFLD 7 (Sure they aren't
    > > going to stay there but who checks) Visited Canada for Week 5
    > >
    > > Total 71 Proposed Pass 70
    > >
    > > Demonstrates how well politicians think. Since nearly everyone would qualify
    > > applications would grind to standstill. Once the first 100-120K accepted in year,
    > > no more for that year. Probably applicants would be looking at 10-15 year wait
    > > after first year. Yet committee says that processing should be less than a year.
    > >
    > > To think we voted for these yokels.
    > >
    > > PMM
    > >

levu

I think this new grid is a lot more sensible.

No not everyone would qualify because:
1. Many people have no spouse
2. Most people have no relative...if they did they'd apply under family class
3. Most people (particularly in India/China) probably can't afford to visit Canada for a holiday in advance.

I would qualify as I am right now under the old system.

Under the system proposed yesterday, I could get in, but I'd have to brush up on my french first and wait until I have another years experience.

So this grid is firmer, but not so stupidly firmer that nobody can get in.

Retaining some form of points for in-demand occupations is another good idea (they've allowed 5 points for this). The original proposed system, which values every kind of profession the same, is silly....Canada should retain some sort of control over the type of skills it admits, it dosen't need to be as strict as the occupations list, but to have no control at all is just stupid.

yr0000

Previous visit to Canada (unless points rec’d for study/work in Canada) 5 pts

Who would qualify for these points ?
What about someone who has been to canada on a tourist visa ?

Sbmallik

I agree with PMM that any Tom, Dick or Harry (with a graduate degree) will qualify if
these recommendations are implemented (not to mention the ridiculously long waiting
times). It seems easier than the 'old' rules. As far as immigration target is
concerned, i'm sure there are enough people in the rest of the world who qualify for
'80 points selection grid' and willing to immigrate.

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    > Andrew et al "Andrew Miller" <millercitelus.net> wrote in message
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    > > The Report was tabled in the House today. It recommends several
    > substantial
    > > changes to new Regulations. You may review it here:
    > >
    > > http://www.parl.gc.ca/InfoComDoc/37/...cimmrp04-e.htm
    > >
    > > --
    > >
    > > ../..
    > >
    > > Andrew Miller Immigration Consultant Vancouver, British Columbia email:
    > > millercicanada.com (delete REMOVE and INVALID from the above address before
    > > sending email)
    > > ________________________________
    >
    > The Standing Committee's proposed selection grid for independents is a joke. If
    > this grid was used (which I doubt) nearly everyone who applied would qualify. For
    > example:
    >
    > High School Diploma 5 Good English 16 4 Years Work Exp. 20 25 Years old 10
    > C/L Spouse English 3 Relative in Canada 5 Destined N.B., NFLD 7 (Sure they aren't
    > going to stay there but who checks) Visited Canada for Week 5
    >
    > Total 71 Proposed Pass 70
    >
    > Demonstrates how well politicians think. Since nearly everyone would qualify
    > applications would grind to standstill. Once the first 100-120K accepted in year,
    > no more for that year. Probably applicants would be looking at 10-15 year wait
    > after first year. Yet committee says that processing should be less than a year.
    >
    > To think we voted for these yokels.
    >
    > PMM

levu

"Any tom dick or harry with a graduate degree"

Well....sorry if I laugh at that but frankly, I think Canada should welcome those toms dicks and harrys with Graduate Degree's....the more graduate degrees the better.

The 'old' 80 point grid would have barred IT professionals with 4 years experience and a degree from MIT.......there isn't any country in the world who can afford to turn its nose up at people like that, least of all Canada.

Clearly the rules regarding adaptability need hashing out....there needs to be a clear definition of what constitutes a "visit" to Canada and how applicants might prove their intetion to settle in rural parts of Canada.

But other than that I think the new grid is fine.

The waiting times are not because too many people apply but because the department dosen't employ enough staff to process the applications in a suitable time frame.

Andrew Miller

Unfortunately you are wrong here. Canada has annual immigration targets and they may
be slightly exceeded, but we cannot simply take in any number of applicants. In last
2 years our targets were met or slightly exceeded as intended with the current
workforce and processing capacity in all visa posts. The long term goal of Canadian
immigration program is to admit annually number of immigrants (combined in all
categories) equal to 1% of Canada's population, the highest immigration ratio among
all developed countries. So, it is the number of cases exceeding several times
Canada's annual targets what makes processing times longer and longer. And this is
why higher (and floating) pass mark has been proposed - to pick only the number of
applicants not a lot larger than annual target and thus keeping processing time in
the 12 months range.

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    > "Any tom dick or harry with a graduate degree"
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N Hossain

I think there is something wrong with your understanding of the proposed
recommendations. First of all having a high school diploma will not make you
elligible for permanent residency and neither will it bring 5 points. If you look
into the recommendations carefully I think you will realize that it says "The five
points for a high school diploma is awarded cumulatively only for those with a
Diploma/Trade Certificate/Apprenticeship requiring 1 or 2 years of study". So
everybody having a high school diploma will never qualify unless they have a
technical certificate in some skilled occupation. Also the award of 20 points in the
experience field is not that straight forward. If you look into the experience clause
it says that the expeience should be in the upper 3 bands of the HRDC definitions.
And if you look there few or almost no jobs are listed there which can be performed
just by having a high school diploma. And there is also another thing the 16 points
awarded for English proficiency will be a nightmare for those people who come from
non-english speaking countries if proper regulations for calculating these points are
implemented....that is if they use standardized test score results. So it is not as
easy as you think. Most of the people would get 60-67 points if you calculate
carefully and that will not qualify them. So don't call your MPs names. Think
carefully and you will see many people who do not understand the rules completely may
submit apllications but there is little chance that they will be approved. And about
the backlog ....well if the rules are understood properly I don't think a lot of
people will be able to apply and qualify. So where does the backlog come in.

tamadav

Anyone else been able to get this link (http://www.parl.gc.ca/InfoComDoc/37.../cimmrp04-e.htm
) to work? I would like to check this for myself, but the link doesn't work for me for some godforsaken reason....

tamadav

Anyone else been able to get this link (http://www.parl.gc.ca/InfoComDoc/37.../cimmrp04-e.htm
) to work? I would like to check this for myself, but the link doesn't work for me for some godforsaken reason....

Andrew Miller

Floating pass mark doesn't mean it has to be retroactive. Read carefully
recommendations and you'll see that it is proposed to have a lock-in date for
applications - changed pass mark will only apply to applications submitted after such
change, all application received before change of pass mark will be subject to the
pass mark in place at the time of application.

As for your argument about the length of education - proposed regulations clearly
state "number of years or equivalent". That means if someone finished 5 years program
in 3 years then such person will be credited with 5 years, so your concern is already
answered in regulations proposed last December.

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    > I think Mr Miller is few person here to support the proposed new regulations with
    > floating pass mark. While I am not saying the proposed rules are as bad
as
    > most of people is thinking, I deeply believe that, the regulations, with a floating
    > pass mark (which means uncertainty, as a retroactivity is always possible) will
    > damage the reputation of this country, a lot of people is now already considered
    > that immigration to Canada is barely a lottery business,
not
    > depends on your qualifications, but your luck.
    >
    > With regarding to recommendations, I realized there are funny points, but I
do
    > think there are some good points to be considered. For instance, dividing Language
    > ability to three categories; review ing the policy every two years; removing
    > education year requirement for education points (think about, there might be some
    > genius people who went to grade 5 from grade 2 or 3, Universities in most european
    > countries have a credit system, some people accumulated enough credits for a Master
    > degree within 3 years); removing informal job offer points but giving points to
    > jobs with special agreement.
It
    > might be also a good idea to incease adaptability from 10 to 15, as max 10 might
    > not reflect a person's real adaptability in Canada.