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Regarding TN Visa(Mr andrew Miller)

Old Aug 10th 2004, 5:02 am
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I have some thoughts regarding the nature of this issue - ' people try
to use immigration to canada to work/live in the US' issue.

Not sure if you noticed or not: most immigrants to Canada from
countries which are not economically stressful - such as european
countries - would like to settle permanently in Canada without of
looking into H1B/TN so badly. However lots of immigrants to Canada
coming from countries where standard of living is significantly lower
or much lower than european/north american countries are more likely
seeking getting into US even before they arrive in Canada

What I am trying to say is: Only until one is not financially
stressful he/she would start looking into higher quality of life which
Canada offers more than US can offer. In comparison with Canada, US
ecomony is stronger because of their market is bigger and more job
opportunities. So that for those who come from other part of the world
they are easier to survive in US - bigger chance of earning money.

Also for those coming from extremely poor area of the world they are
just scared of lacking of money, they believe earning one cent more
will make their life better. So their choice will naturally be US. For
them, quality of life is something far away. Air quality in US is
already much better than that in their home country, they don't need
canadian air which is even cleaner. Crime rate in US is already very
low compared with that in their home country, they don't need to come
to Canada to be safer.

This is all about individule's undertanding of life, how they think
about the quality of life. It's kind of progressive. A person without
enough food to eat will not suddenly become caring too much about the
air quality or scenic view. We do hear americans move to Canada for
many reasons, one of which is for higher quality of life - many people
from economically stressful place just can't understand why americans
are moving to canada. The answer is they are the ones who know what
the quality of life is and also they happened to have a chance.

In my opinion, for the benefit of Canada, they should help those who
really want to settle in Canada use their full potential to contribute
to the Canadian economy. Since it's a good place, they should not
think about preventing those who have not yet understand what the
quality of life is from leaving the country. Because there are people
who do know.



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    > Everybody knows what a USD can offer to the world. Everybody wants to come here...canadians included. So why blame somebody who is not a Canadian. After all nobody can stop knowledge, skill and experience.
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    > I am happy that the *world is moving towards a *free world without borders.
 
Old Aug 10th 2004, 10:08 am
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How can you explain this paradox that US salaries are higher than
Canadian but at the same time life standard / quality in Canada is
higher than in US ?

I'm not any US 'fan' - but it's not the big population which makes US
economy stronger - such indicators as unemployment rate, GDP per
capita and so on are not related to the fact how many people live in a
country.
 
Old Aug 10th 2004, 11:22 am
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Raghu wrote:

    > Everybody knows what a USD can offer to the world. Everybody wants to come here...canadians included. So why blame somebody who is not a Canadian. After all nobody can stop knowledge, skill and experience.
    >
    > I am happy that the *world is moving towards a *free world without borders.
    >

Pardon? Have you tried crossing borders lately? Since the so-called
9/11, we've moved much furthre from a free world without borders. ...
much further.

A USD cannot offer the world anything more than a ruble. It's people
that offer good things to the world, providing they aren't in it for
themselves.
 
Old Aug 11th 2004, 5:03 am
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Maybe I did not make myself clear, what I really mean to say is: the
salaries are lower while life standard can still be higher. Sorry if I
made people misunderstand. For quality of life, different people has
significantly different view.


[email protected] (kveldulv) wrote in message news:<[email protected]. com>...
    > How can you explain this paradox that US salaries are higher than
    > Canadian but at the same time life standard / quality in Canada is
    > higher than in US ?
    >
    > I'm not any US 'fan' - but it's not the big population which makes US
    > economy stronger - such indicators as unemployment rate, GDP per
    > capita and so on are not related to the fact how many people live in a
    > country.

I agree
 
Old Aug 11th 2004, 7:15 am
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Salaries are not everything - you need to compare cost of living (including health insurance, etc.). If you check with various international relocation websites that compare salaries and cost of living you'll find out that in some places in US you have to make twice as much as in many places in Canada to maintain same standard of living.

Good one is here:

http://www.homefair.com/homefair/calc/salcalc.html

For example I just used on the above site Calgary, Alberta and San Jose, California to compare - if you make $75,000 in Calgary you will have to make $118,779 in San Jose to maintain same standard of living.



Originally Posted by Shane
Maybe I did not make myself clear, what I really mean to say is: the
salaries are lower while life standard can still be higher. Sorry if I
made people misunderstand. For quality of life, different people has
significantly different view.


[email protected] (kveldulv) wrote in message news:<[email protected]. com>...
    > How can you explain this paradox that US salaries are higher than
    > Canadian but at the same time life standard / quality in Canada is
    > higher than in US ?
    >
    > I'm not any US 'fan' - but it's not the big population which makes US
    > economy stronger - such indicators as unemployment rate, GDP per
    > capita and so on are not related to the fact how many people live in a
    > country.

I agree

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Old Aug 11th 2004, 7:37 am
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Originally Posted by Andrew Miller
Salaries are not everything - you need to compare cost of living (including health insurance, etc.). If you check with various international relocation websites that compare salaries and cost of living you'll find out that in some places in US you have to make twice as much as in many places in Canada to maintain same standard of living.

Good one is here:

http://www.homefair.com/homefair/calc/salcalc.html

For example I just used on the above site Calgary, Alberta and San Jose, California to compare - if you make $75,000 in Calgary you will have to make $118,779 in San Jose to maintain same standard of living.
Is that 75,000 Canadian Dollars compared to 118,779 USD?
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Old Aug 11th 2004, 8:16 am
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Usually such numbers are provided in local currencies (CAD for Canada and USD for US cities).


Originally Posted by MJ23
Is that 75,000 Canadian Dollars compared to 118,779 USD?
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Old Aug 11th 2004, 1:45 pm
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Shane wrote:
    > Maybe I did not make myself clear, what I really mean to say is: the
    > salaries are lower while life standard can still be higher. Sorry if I
    > made people misunderstand. For quality of life, different people has
    > significantly different view.
    >
    >
    > [email protected] (kveldulv) wrote in message news:<[email protected]. com>...
    >
    >>How can you explain this paradox that US salaries are higher than
    >>Canadian but at the same time life standard / quality in Canada is
    >>higher than in US ?
    >>I'm not any US 'fan' - but it's not the big population which makes US
    >>economy stronger - such indicators as unemployment rate, GDP per
    >>capita and so on are not related to the fact how many people live in a
    >>country.
    >
    >
    > I agree

Quality of life is not measured by money alone. For example, universal
health care in Canada, even though not as good as it once was, gives
health care beyond the reach of a high proportion of Americans. Quality
of life is also impacted by the proportions of people living below the
poverty line ... which is far more prevalent in the US. Strange for the
richest country.
 
Old Aug 12th 2004, 11:28 am
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[email protected] (Shane) wrote in message news:<[email protected]. com>...
    > Maybe I did not make myself clear, what I really mean to say is: the
    > salaries are lower while life standard can still be higher. Sorry if I
    > made people misunderstand. For quality of life, different people has
    > significantly different view.

You made yourself perfectly clear and what I wanted to do is to argue
about your point of view some more. Of course, numbers and statistics
only can give vague idea about quality of life and so on.

Although I've never been to US, in my opinion Canada is a definitely
better place to live. And moving here has proved to be one of the best
decisions in my short life.
 

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