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Quick question re leaving job on TWP

Old Feb 8th 2012, 1:01 pm
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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
As for between jobs yes it is a tough one but it is thought from our point of view that without the income from the job they might well be financially unable to support themselves or others as this is one of the conditions they have to meet as per Reg 183(2)(a) IRPA.
Is that a government admission that the pittance that EI pays out isnt enough to live on
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Is that a government admission that the pittance that EI pays out isnt enough to live on
Temporary Residents on work permits are not entitled to EI
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Old Feb 8th 2012, 1:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
Temporary Residents on work permits are not entitled to EI
Must have misread that thread the other day... as you were.
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Old Feb 8th 2012, 1:09 pm
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Default Re: Quick question re leaving job on TWP

Originally Posted by iaink
Must have misread that thread the other day... as you were.
Although it appears maybe not...

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-imm...-t73611.0.html
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Originally Posted by iaink
I shall rephrase my answer to normally temporary residents are not usually entitled to EI as they are considered temporary residents.
The contract also has information about the money that may be taken out of your pay (for example, the amount paid to the Canada Pension Plan and Employment Insurance, which you may be eligible to collect).

Im sure there are certain cases where EI can be collected which now opens up the question should temporary workers be allowed to stay if they have lost their job? We can argue that they have now become financially reliant on Canada to support them but they dont live here permanently.
I think you fill find that the majority of persons here temporarily on TWP's once they lose their job or get laid off return home as they find that they are not entitled to EI or Provincial social assistance programs.

Employment Insurance (EI) provides temporary income support during periods of unemployment. Temporary foreign workers must meet the same eligibility requirements as Canadian citizens and permanent residents. Five types of benefits are available:

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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
I think you fill find that the majority of persons here temporarily on TWP's once they lose their job or get laid off return home as they find that they are not entitled to EI or Provincial social assistance programs.
Thats probably true, based on financial realities, but it ignores the substantial number that are able to stay on and find a new job and get the associated paperwork. (Plenty of thread evidence to support that) If they were kicked out in short order after losing their original job then the chances of that happening are greatly reduced.

Lets not forget here that many of those coming on TWPs are here because they have skills missing in the local workforce, and that makes their skills likely sought by other employers too, so its in the nations interest to give them that opportunity should they wish to take the chance. If they dont have usefull skills then either they wont get a job, or wont get a new LMO, and worst case they would then have to leave anyway, as they agreed to when accepting the TWP in the first place.

If they have the desire to stay and try to find a new position, then they should be allowed to re-enter based on their original eligibility. Think of it as a contractual obligation on Canadas behalf, they made a 2 or 3 year commitment to come to Canada, and Canada should reciprocate
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I have no problem with that per se and you bring up some very valid points.
We hear enough arguments about why are we employing foreigners when our own people cannot get jobs etc etc.
Lets look at the example of a Canadian who went on to Uni got their degree and has 5 yrs experience of work under their belt then gets laid off.
A job is advertised and they apply but lose the job to an American who was laid off in the US but because they qualify under NAFTA T23 Professional and has 8 yrs experience they end up getting the job.
Yes we have a shortage of skilled workers and even non skilled workers here.
Its bad when Tim Hortons in Calgary were offering $19 an hour and had to recruit overseas to fill those positions as did Canadian Tire.
If they are already here they can stay till the work permit expires as previously mentioned and look for work so no need for re entry.
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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
If they are already here they can stay till the work permit expires as previously mentioned and look for work so no need for re entry.
And say their mother dies and they have to go back for the funeral, or if they just want to go sit on a hot sunny beach for two weeks in the middle of a dismal Ontario February after the shock of losing a job that was paying $120k a year, then what?
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And say their mother dies and they have to go back for the funeral, or if they just want to go sit on a hot sunny beach for two weeks in the middle of a dismal Ontario February after the shock of losing a job that was paying $120k a year, then what?
Unfortunately thats when it becomes a problem to which I dont have the answer to unless the Govt decides to change the legislation to allow for this.
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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
Unfortunately thats when it becomes a problem to which I dont have the answer to unless the Govt decides to change the legislation to allow for this.
So the need for pre authorisation to re-enter (in blue above) would suddenly apply for a UK passport holder, even though its never applied otherwise? IANAL, but I'm not entirely sure that is a legally sustainable position.

The only thing we are looking for here is consistency of application of the rules, and that would appear not to be the case here

On the other hand an IO would probably have no idea that the job wasnt still there anyway.... "Dont ask, don't tell" perhaps should apply.

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Default Re: Quick question re leaving job on TWP

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So the need for pre authorisation to re-enter (in blue above) would suddenly apply for a UK passport holder, even though its never applied otherwise?

The only thing we are looking for here is consistency of application of the rules, and that would appear not to be the case here

On the other hand an IO would probably have no idea that the job wasnt still there anyway.... "Dont ask, don't tell" perhaps applies.
Exactly most POE officers would have no idea unless the person was flagged in the system. Once in Canada Inland Enforcement takes over and only then when they become aware.
Im thinking the blue bit refers to TRP holders who have been authorized to re enter though thats not always a given as they could have done something to make them further inadmissible while away i.e. charged with DUI while on vacation. It would also probably include an Authorisation to Return to Canada as in the ARC application.
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