Andrew Miller

Those reports were not from people who went through interview - those
reports were from those who didn't receive assessment notices yet. And yes,
you are correct - processing officers are quite rigorous and follow their
manual when assessing applications. And manual is quite specific when it
comes to assessing language proficiency.

And yes, processing officers doubt - they have to and law requires
applicants to provide conclusive evidence supporting their claims if they
want them counted.

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Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
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"borg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > > After you answer those 6 questions from my earlier post please also tell
us
    > > why in past 2 or so months we've seen quite few reports in this forum
from
    > > applicants asked by Buffalo to submit among other things their
transcripts
    > > from US universities and IELTS results?
    > Because Buffalo does the same thing I do -- they doubt !
    > > Accordingly to your opinion "a diploma from an american university"
proves
    > > high proficiency in English - so, why do you think they were asked for
IELTS
    > > or conclusive substitute evidence with hand written note "Recommended"
next
    > > to IELTS test result in the documents checklist they received?
    > Perhaps there were some cases when they interviewed an applicant you could
not speak English well enough..
    > Or the officials are just being scrupulous...

Andrew Miller

Many of my clients got positive assessment without IELTS - but with solid
and conclusive substitute evidence of their English proficiency.

And yes, I've lived for many years back in 80's in San Francisco Bay Area.
Americans and Canadians have a lot in common and at the same time are very
different. To compare us I would have to write a book and quite few to
follow after the first one. You need to be more specific in your question
and tell what areas you want to compare - you may contact me directly with
specific questions and I'll be happy to answer (time permitting though) as
long as your questions don't require an essay to answer.

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Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
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    > To resolve this confusion about american diplomas and English proficiency,
I will inquiry my friends who actually applied for
    > the federal program. I am pretty sure they did not take IELTS (should
someone who teaches in English for 5 years take one ??)
    > but I'll double check.
    > BTW, have you ever lived in States ? Just curious how would you compare
Canadian society and American.

Borg

right, right, i have to be more specific. The thing I am interested in is basically relationships among people.
American society is closed, and by this I mean that if you are not one of them you won't make much friends.

I live in the States for more than 5 years and i do not have american friends. And I am not the only one such.
In fact, foreigners who have american friends are the exception, not the rule.
And it does not seem to be the issue of language -- people whose native tongue is English (Australians, Nrw Zealanders, British)
are in the same boat. No, I am not saying that Americans are discriminating foreigners, not at all -- they are nice and polite.
But you are alone. So what happens is that eventually everyone ends up being friends with people who speak the
same language. And even within the american society, they subdivide themselves into groups based on color of the skin,
nationality and so on. For some reason they seem to like being subdivided (perhaps it makes them feel unique), i guess
it's a part of american mentality. So the "melting pot" is just another myth americans have about themselves, in reality
american society is a mosaic.

I have heard from someone who lived a long time in ON that it's different in Canada, people are more
open for the relationships. She had many Canadians friends.

Let me know (if time permits) your thoughts on this issue.

/b.


    > Many of my clients got positive assessment without IELTS - but with solid
    > and conclusive substitute evidence of their English proficiency.
    >
    > And yes, I've lived for many years back in 80's in San Francisco Bay Area.
    > Americans and Canadians have a lot in common and at the same time are very
    > different. To compare us I would have to write a book and quite few to
    > follow after the first one. You need to be more specific in your question
    > and tell what areas you want to compare - you may contact me directly with
    > specific questions and I'll be happy to answer (time permitting though) as
    > long as your questions don't require an essay to answer.

Andrew Miller

Seems to me that you are in the wrong place to socialize or your social
skills need some serious improvement.

In the Bay Area where I lived and run US branch of my Firm for almost 10
years I had no problems making friends with people of all origins, colors
and races. And I haven't seen them having any problems making new friends
either, even shortly after they immigrated to California.

Majority of Canadians (especially here on the West Coast) are even more open
and friendly than Californians. But it is still up to you, your personality
and attitude to make friends and to keep them as such.

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Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
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"borg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > right, right, i have to be more specific. The thing I am interested in is
basically relationships among people.
    > American society is closed, and by this I mean that if you are not one of
them you won't make much friends.
    > I live in the States for more than 5 years and i do not have american
friends. And I am not the only one such.
    > In fact, foreigners who have american friends are the exception, not the
rule.
    > And it does not seem to be the issue of language -- people whose native
tongue is English (Australians, Nrw Zealanders, British)
    > are in the same boat. No, I am not saying that Americans are
discriminating foreigners, not at all -- they are nice and polite.
    > But you are alone. So what happens is that eventually everyone ends up
being friends with people who speak the
    > same language. And even within the american society, they subdivide
themselves into groups based on color of the skin,
    > nationality and so on. For some reason they seem to like being subdivided
(perhaps it makes them feel unique), i guess
    > it's a part of american mentality. So the "melting pot" is just another
myth americans have about themselves, in reality
    > american society is a mosaic.
    > I have heard from someone who lived a long time in ON that it's different
in Canada, people are more
    > open for the relationships. She had many Canadians friends.
    > Let me know (if time permits) your thoughts on this issue.
    > /b.
    > > Many of my clients got positive assessment without IELTS - but with
solid
    > > and conclusive substitute evidence of their English proficiency.
    > >
    > > And yes, I've lived for many years back in 80's in San Francisco Bay
Area.
    > > Americans and Canadians have a lot in common and at the same time are
very
    > > different. To compare us I would have to write a book and quite few to
    > > follow after the first one. You need to be more specific in your
question
    > > and tell what areas you want to compare - you may contact me directly
with
    > > specific questions and I'll be happy to answer (time permitting though)
as
    > > long as your questions don't require an essay to answer.

Borg

Heh, you lived on the West Coast during the 80's and I live on the East Coast (PA) in 00's.
My impression is that U.S. West Coast is more openminded than the East Coast (tradition, perhaps).
Plus, from what I hear from the people, in 70's and 80's American society was more openminded than now.
but things change ...

Anyways, thanks for bringing the good news !
/b.



    > Seems to me that you are in the wrong place to socialize or your social
    > skills need some serious improvement.
    >
    > In the Bay Area where I lived and run US branch of my Firm for almost 10
    > years I had no problems making friends with people of all origins, colors
    > and races. And I haven't seen them having any problems making new friends
    > either, even shortly after they immigrated to California.
    >
    > Majority of Canadians (especially here on the West Coast) are even more open
    > and friendly than Californians. But it is still up to you, your personality
    > and attitude to make friends and to keep them as such.
    >
    > --
    >
    > ../..
    >
    > Andrew Miller
    > Immigration Consultant
    > Vancouver, British Columbia
    > email: [email protected]
    > (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
    > ________________________________
    >
    >
    > "borg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > right, right, i have to be more specific. The thing I am interested in is
    > basically relationships among people.
    > > American society is closed, and by this I mean that if you are not one of
    > them you won't make much friends.
    > >
    > > I live in the States for more than 5 years and i do not have american
    > friends. And I am not the only one such.
    > > In fact, foreigners who have american friends are the exception, not the
    > rule.
    > > And it does not seem to be the issue of language -- people whose native
    > tongue is English (Australians, Nrw Zealanders, British)
    > > are in the same boat. No, I am not saying that Americans are
    > discriminating foreigners, not at all -- they are nice and polite.
    > > But you are alone. So what happens is that eventually everyone ends up
    > being friends with people who speak the
    > > same language. And even within the american society, they subdivide
    > themselves into groups based on color of the skin,
    > > nationality and so on. For some reason they seem to like being subdivided
    > (perhaps it makes them feel unique), i guess
    > > it's a part of american mentality. So the "melting pot" is just another
    > myth americans have about themselves, in reality
    > > american society is a mosaic.
    > >
    > > I have heard from someone who lived a long time in ON that it's different
    > in Canada, people are more
    > > open for the relationships. She had many Canadians friends.
    > >
    > > Let me know (if time permits) your thoughts on this issue.
    > >
    > > /b.
    > >
    > >
    > > > Many of my clients got positive assessment without IELTS - but with
    > solid
    > > > and conclusive substitute evidence of their English proficiency.
    > > >
    > > > And yes, I've lived for many years back in 80's in San Francisco Bay
    > Area.
    > > > Americans and Canadians have a lot in common and at the same time are
    > very
    > > > different. To compare us I would have to write a book and quite few to
    > > > follow after the first one. You need to be more specific in your
    > question
    > > > and tell what areas you want to compare - you may contact me directly
    > with
    > > > specific questions and I'll be happy to answer (time permitting though)
    > as
    > > > long as your questions don't require an essay to answer.
    >
    >