Programmer Job Market - New Immigrants
Feb 25th 2004, 10:16 pm
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Programmer Job Market - New Immigrants
I would like to start a topic as I want to get feedback from others in
Canada. What are you thoughts on:
1. Salary levels for programmers with degrees compared to other 4-year
degree jobs.
2. Are you advancing in your career.
3. Are you finding much opportunities to switch to better paying jobs.
4. Generally what do you think is the future to the programming profession
in Canada.
5. What would you consider the perfect I.T job.
I am a immigrant 3 years in Toronto
Canada. What are you thoughts on:
1. Salary levels for programmers with degrees compared to other 4-year
degree jobs.
2. Are you advancing in your career.
3. Are you finding much opportunities to switch to better paying jobs.
4. Generally what do you think is the future to the programming profession
in Canada.
5. What would you consider the perfect I.T job.
I am a immigrant 3 years in Toronto
Feb 26th 2004, 5:37 am
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Re: Programmer Job Market - New Immigrants
Great idea, why don't you start with your answers to those topics ?
"rmcleang121" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected] able.rogers.com>...
> I would like to start a topic as I want to get feedback from others in
> Canada. What are you thoughts on:
> 1. Salary levels for programmers with degrees compared to other 4-year
> degree jobs.
> 2. Are you advancing in your career.
> 3. Are you finding much opportunities to switch to better paying jobs.
> 4. Generally what do you think is the future to the programming profession
> in Canada.
> 5. What would you consider the perfect I.T job.
>
> I am a immigrant 3 years in Toronto
"rmcleang121" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected] able.rogers.com>...
> I would like to start a topic as I want to get feedback from others in
> Canada. What are you thoughts on:
> 1. Salary levels for programmers with degrees compared to other 4-year
> degree jobs.
> 2. Are you advancing in your career.
> 3. Are you finding much opportunities to switch to better paying jobs.
> 4. Generally what do you think is the future to the programming profession
> in Canada.
> 5. What would you consider the perfect I.T job.
>
> I am a immigrant 3 years in Toronto
Mar 10th 2004, 4:16 pm
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Re: Programmer Job Market - New Immigrants
On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 11:15:59 GMT, "rmcleang121"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I would like to start a topic as I want to get feedback from others in
>Canada. What are you thoughts on:
>1. Salary levels for programmers with degrees compared to other 4-year
>degree jobs.
Middle of the road thesedays but declining in relation to other 4-year
degrees.
>2. Are you advancing in your career.
No.
>3. Are you finding much opportunities to switch to better paying jobs.
There are very few jobs in my area and I know that if I lose my job,
it could take 1-2 years to get another one.
>4. Generally what do you think is the future to the programming profession
>in Canada.
Dismal. Considering getting out.
>5. What would you consider the perfect I.T job.
One with job security. One without 19 different managers that I
answer to. And that micro-manage me to the limit.
In all honesty, very few companies actually hire computer programmers
anymore. It is a dying breed. Either they outsoure their work. Or
they buy packaged software and customize (packages such as SAP)--thus
they don't need programmers anymore; just system admins.
>I am a immigrant 3 years in Toronto
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I would like to start a topic as I want to get feedback from others in
>Canada. What are you thoughts on:
>1. Salary levels for programmers with degrees compared to other 4-year
>degree jobs.
Middle of the road thesedays but declining in relation to other 4-year
degrees.
>2. Are you advancing in your career.
No.
>3. Are you finding much opportunities to switch to better paying jobs.
There are very few jobs in my area and I know that if I lose my job,
it could take 1-2 years to get another one.
>4. Generally what do you think is the future to the programming profession
>in Canada.
Dismal. Considering getting out.
>5. What would you consider the perfect I.T job.
One with job security. One without 19 different managers that I
answer to. And that micro-manage me to the limit.
In all honesty, very few companies actually hire computer programmers
anymore. It is a dying breed. Either they outsoure their work. Or
they buy packaged software and customize (packages such as SAP)--thus
they don't need programmers anymore; just system admins.
>I am a immigrant 3 years in Toronto
Mar 11th 2004, 4:32 am
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Re: Programmer Job Market - New Immigrants
Jobs are nonexeistent in Canada except for janitorial jobs.
Gay power everyone...I am gay!
"rmcleang121" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected] able.rogers.com>...
> I would like to start a topic as I want to get feedback from others in
> Canada. What are you thoughts on:
> 1. Salary levels for programmers with degrees compared to other 4-year
> degree jobs.
> 2. Are you advancing in your career.
> 3. Are you finding much opportunities to switch to better paying jobs.
> 4. Generally what do you think is the future to the programming profession
> in Canada.
> 5. What would you consider the perfect I.T job.
>
> I am a immigrant 3 years in Toronto
Gay power everyone...I am gay!
"rmcleang121" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected] able.rogers.com>...
> I would like to start a topic as I want to get feedback from others in
> Canada. What are you thoughts on:
> 1. Salary levels for programmers with degrees compared to other 4-year
> degree jobs.
> 2. Are you advancing in your career.
> 3. Are you finding much opportunities to switch to better paying jobs.
> 4. Generally what do you think is the future to the programming profession
> in Canada.
> 5. What would you consider the perfect I.T job.
>
> I am a immigrant 3 years in Toronto
Mar 13th 2004, 10:24 am
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Re: Programmer Job Market - New Immigrants
Stuart Brook wrote:
>
> Jobs are nonexeistent in Canada except for janitorial jobs.
>
> Gay power everyone...I am gay!
You're an ignorant bastard who is forging my name and posting from a
hijacked proxy in the Phillipines. You will have to find another proxy
soon enough.
>
> Jobs are nonexeistent in Canada except for janitorial jobs.
>
> Gay power everyone...I am gay!
You're an ignorant bastard who is forging my name and posting from a
hijacked proxy in the Phillipines. You will have to find another proxy
soon enough.
Mar 15th 2004, 5:00 am
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Re: Programmer Job Market - New Immigrants
Why are you posting the same survey every other day?
You did get a few responses last time.
And since you are an immigrant for 3 years, why don't you provide your
answers first.
"rmcleang121" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I would like to start a topic as I want to get feedback from others in
> Canada. What are you thoughts on:
> 1. Salary levels for programmers with degrees compared to other 4-year
> degree jobs.
> 2. Are you advancing in your career.
> 3. Are you finding much opportunities to switch to better paying jobs.
> 4. Generally what do you think is the future to the programming profession
> in Canada.
> 5. What would you consider the perfect I.T job.
> I am a immigrant 3 years in Toronto
You did get a few responses last time.
And since you are an immigrant for 3 years, why don't you provide your
answers first.
"rmcleang121" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I would like to start a topic as I want to get feedback from others in
> Canada. What are you thoughts on:
> 1. Salary levels for programmers with degrees compared to other 4-year
> degree jobs.
> 2. Are you advancing in your career.
> 3. Are you finding much opportunities to switch to better paying jobs.
> 4. Generally what do you think is the future to the programming profession
> in Canada.
> 5. What would you consider the perfect I.T job.
> I am a immigrant 3 years in Toronto
Mar 20th 2004, 2:59 am
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Re: Programmer Job Market - New Immigrants
In short,
I left the IT because I couldn't get a job after the IT slump.
I am too far behind nowadays to pick it up again.
I left the IT because I couldn't get a job after the IT slump.
I am too far behind nowadays to pick it up again.
Mar 20th 2004, 2:04 pm
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"rmcleang121" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I would like to start a topic as I want to get feedback from others in
> Canada. What are you thoughts on:
> 1. Salary levels for programmers with degrees compared to other 4-year
> degree jobs.
> 2. Are you advancing in your career.
> 3. Are you finding much opportunities to switch to better paying jobs.
> 4. Generally what do you think is the future to the programming profession
> in Canada.
> 5. What would you consider the perfect I.T job.
> I am a immigrant 3 years in Toronto
You've asked same questions couple of times before in this NG. Why don't you
start answering them yourself first? So that others will have some incentive
to hand out their personal informations and not think that you are merely a
troll.
--
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> I would like to start a topic as I want to get feedback from others in
> Canada. What are you thoughts on:
> 1. Salary levels for programmers with degrees compared to other 4-year
> degree jobs.
> 2. Are you advancing in your career.
> 3. Are you finding much opportunities to switch to better paying jobs.
> 4. Generally what do you think is the future to the programming profession
> in Canada.
> 5. What would you consider the perfect I.T job.
> I am a immigrant 3 years in Toronto
You've asked same questions couple of times before in this NG. Why don't you
start answering them yourself first? So that others will have some incentive
to hand out their personal informations and not think that you are merely a
troll.
--
Mar 31st 2004, 4:18 am
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Re: Programmer Job Market - New Immigrants
No IT jobs in Canada.
Gay power to everyone!
"rmcleang121" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected] able.rogers.com>...
> I would like to start a topic as I want to get feedback from others in
> Canada. What are you thoughts on:
> 1. Salary levels for programmers with degrees compared to other 4-year
> degree jobs.
> 2. Are you advancing in your career.
> 3. Are you finding much opportunities to switch to better paying jobs.
> 4. Generally what do you think is the future to the programming profession
> in Canada.
> 5. What would you consider the perfect I.T job.
>
> I am a immigrant 3 years in Toronto
Gay power to everyone!
"rmcleang121" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected] able.rogers.com>...
> I would like to start a topic as I want to get feedback from others in
> Canada. What are you thoughts on:
> 1. Salary levels for programmers with degrees compared to other 4-year
> degree jobs.
> 2. Are you advancing in your career.
> 3. Are you finding much opportunities to switch to better paying jobs.
> 4. Generally what do you think is the future to the programming profession
> in Canada.
> 5. What would you consider the perfect I.T job.
>
> I am a immigrant 3 years in Toronto
Apr 8th 2004, 4:31 am
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Re: Programmer Job Market - New Immigrants
"rmcleang121" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> I would like to start a topic as I want to get feedback from others in
> Canada. What are you thoughts on:
> 1. Salary levels for programmers with degrees compared to other 4-year
> degree jobs.
As an entry level programmer, you're looking at between 35,000 to 50,000.
I had a couple of friends who just graduated from UW and a few of them
received offers for 60,000 - however, such offers are rare and extremely
generous. Average would be ~42,000? The pay you get depends on the
experience you have.
> 2. Are you advancing in your career.
Advancement really depends on your personal initiative. No one will hand
you a promotion, so you need to fight for it.
> 4. Generally what do you think is the future to the programming
> profession in Canada.
Don't stick with programming - programmers can be outsourced to other
countries. Consider programming an entry level job to get your foot into
the organization.
> 5. What would you consider the perfect I.T job.
This is different for everybody right? I say DB, you say C++ ; )
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news:[email protected]:
> I would like to start a topic as I want to get feedback from others in
> Canada. What are you thoughts on:
> 1. Salary levels for programmers with degrees compared to other 4-year
> degree jobs.
As an entry level programmer, you're looking at between 35,000 to 50,000.
I had a couple of friends who just graduated from UW and a few of them
received offers for 60,000 - however, such offers are rare and extremely
generous. Average would be ~42,000? The pay you get depends on the
experience you have.
> 2. Are you advancing in your career.
Advancement really depends on your personal initiative. No one will hand
you a promotion, so you need to fight for it.
> 4. Generally what do you think is the future to the programming
> profession in Canada.
Don't stick with programming - programmers can be outsourced to other
countries. Consider programming an entry level job to get your foot into
the organization.
> 5. What would you consider the perfect I.T job.
This is different for everybody right? I say DB, you say C++ ; )
--
Lucas Tam ([email protected])
Please delete "REMOVE" from the e-mail address when replying.
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/coolspot18/
