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Old Nov 29th 2016, 8:37 am
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Apologies of this has been asked before, but too many PR articles to wade through in search

I am in process of renewing PR. I have made several day trips across the border for petrol etc.

Do I have to declare these on the PR renewal? I have no record of all the trips across, so how should I record them if necessary?

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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon77
Apologies of this has been asked before, but too many PR articles to wade through in search

I am in process of renewing PR. I have made several day trips across the border for petrol etc.

Do I have to declare these on the PR renewal? I have no record of all the trips across, so how should I record them if necessary?

Thanks for any help (predictably the only 'help' isn't any)
If only gone for a few hours then they are not counted as days outside of Canada.
Its trips exceeding 24 hours that are counted.

From the CIC ENF 23 manual for calculating days present in Canada
For the purpose of calculating the number of days to comply with the residency obligation
in A28(2)(a), a day includes a full day or any part of a day that a permanent resident is physically present in Canada.

So going by that any part of a day spent in Canada.
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Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian
If only gone for a few hours then they are not counted as days outside of Canada.
Its trips exceeding 24 hours that are counted.

From the CIC ENF 23 manual for calculating days present in Canada
For the purpose of calculating the number of days to comply with the residency obligation
in A28(2)(a), a day includes a full day or any part of a day that a permanent resident is physically present in Canada.

So going by that any part of a day spent in Canada.
Thanks FL - great answer, very clear.
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Q21 on the application form asks you to list ALL trips outside Canada including to the USA.

Even if a day trip is not counted as a day outside Canada for the purposes of meeting the residency obligation, I'd mention those trips.

I noticed that on the physical presence calculator (which is for Canadian citizenship I realize), there is a question about whether or not to list day trips:

Q5: Do I have to declare day trips to the United States?

A5: Yes. List all absences, even if you come back the same day.


https://eservices.cic.gc.ca/rescalc/...o?redir=faq#Q5



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Default Re: PR Renewal & day trips

Originally Posted by Snowy560
Q21 on the application form asks you to list ALL trips outside Canada including to the USA.

Even if a day trip is not counted as a day outside Canada for the purposes of meeting the residency obligation, I'd mention those trips.

I noticed that on the physical presence calculator (which is for Canadian citizenship I realize), there is a question about whether or not to list day trips:

Q5: Do I have to declare day trips to the United States?

A5: Yes. List all absences, even if you come back the same day.


https://eservices.cic.gc.ca/rescalc/...o?redir=faq#Q5



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I would hate to be a commuter who lives in Windsor and works in Detroit 5 days a week
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The British system of calculating days in country is similar - travel days do not count as you were on British soil for part of the day. The Canadian setup is the same, but like the UK, you do have to list all trips. When I did my UK application I just did it as a table with the destination, departure date, return date, and number of full days out of country. I did have a few single night trips, so under "days out of country" I just put zero, but the trip was still listed.
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You can get your US travel history instantly here:

https://i94.cbp.dhs.gov/I94/#/home

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Originally Posted by Snowy560
You can get your US travel history instantly here:

https://i94.cbp.dhs.gov/I94/#/home

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Thanks Snowy - very helpful link. Will add my 40 odd trips into States. (For no real reason, <sigh>)
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Originally Posted by Hawkmoon77
Thanks Snowy - very helpful link. Will add my 40 odd trips into States. (For no real reason, <sigh>)
It's better than IRCC wondering if you're trying to hide something if you've missed out some info they have a record of!
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So who can come up with a logical explanation for them wanting details of a day trip to the USA or other country and returning the same day as its still counted as a day in Canada for PR or Citizenship obligations?

I can see the logic in asking for days i.e. over 24 hours where absent from Canada as it does make a difference for PR or Citizenship residency obligations.
Today is not a good day to ask me what I think about IRRC (CIC)

So I live in Windsor and work for Ford in Detroit. There are 52 weeks in a year so if I work 5 days a week thats 260 days. Say I get 30 days off a year that still leaves me providing IRCC with 230 trips and I'm betting they want each individual trip submitted. Even if I did it weekly thats still 52 entries to be submitted. Absolute insanity if you ask me.
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So who can come up with a logical explanation for them wanting details of a day trip to the USA or other country and returning the same day as its still counted as a day in Canada for PR or Citizenship obligations?

I can see the logic in asking for days i.e. over 24 hours where absent from Canada as it does make a difference for PR or Citizenship residency obligations.
Today is not a good day to ask me what I think about IRRC (CIC)

So I live in Windsor and work for Ford in Detroit. There are 52 weeks in a year so if I work 5 days a week thats 260 days. Say I get 30 days off a year that still leaves me providing IRCC with 230 trips and I'm betting they want each individual trip submitted. Even if I did it weekly thats still 52 entries to be submitted. Absolute insanity if you ask me.

....for 4 and a bit years! (for PR renewal)
Yes, I did wonder why they would need that info, but hey, since they can find it anyway, might as well let them have it.

Still daft though
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When dealing with immigration (not just Canada), I've learned not to look for logic, nor to ask "why?".
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