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PR Card Required for non-commercial carrier US-Canada Travel: Truth or Myth?

PR Card Required for non-commercial carrier US-Canada Travel: Truth or Myth?

Old Aug 13th 2003, 7:18 am
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http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pr-card/prc-issues.html

Can I use my IMM 1000 to travel to the US in my own car?

Yes.
As of December 31, 2003, the PR card will be required to re-enter
Canada by commercial carrier (airplane, boat, train or bus). This
requirement does not apply if you are travelling by private vehicle.
You should contact the US immigration services about their document
requirements

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Does this mean my friend can travel by foot at Niagara Falls Bridges?
Here is my throught: Buy a Ticket at Niagara Falls, NY, wall to
rainbow bridge, then pass Canada border then wait in the border room
for bus. When the bus came, get on it, because it is already in Canada
and PR card is no longer required for boarding? So the PR card is
really never needed!!!! truth or myth?
 
Old Aug 13th 2003, 9:34 am
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Yes but an Immigration officer will have to let you into the qountry and ask
you where is your PR card. Travelling by non commercial carrier will only
get you to the port of entry not past it.

Jim Metcalfe





"Chinadian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pr-card/prc-issues.html
    > Can I use my IMM 1000 to travel to the US in my own car?
    > Yes.
    > As of December 31, 2003, the PR card will be required to re-enter
    > Canada by commercial carrier (airplane, boat, train or bus). This
    > requirement does not apply if you are travelling by private vehicle.
    > You should contact the US immigration services about their document
    > requirements
    > **************
    > Does this mean my friend can travel by foot at Niagara Falls Bridges?
    > Here is my throught: Buy a Ticket at Niagara Falls, NY, wall to
    > rainbow bridge, then pass Canada border then wait in the border room
    > for bus. When the bus came, get on it, because it is already in Canada
    > and PR card is no longer required for boarding? So the PR card is
    > really never needed!!!! truth or myth?
 
Old Aug 13th 2003, 9:46 pm
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Even if PR card is not technically required (such as coming from US in
a private vehicle) it makes proving your status as a Canadian PR for a
range of purposes so much easier. Why are so many people apparently
reluctant just to keep things simple and get one?

Jeremy

    >On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:34:32 -0400, "James Metcalfe" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >Yes but an Immigration officer will have to let you into the qountry and ask
    >you where is your PR card. Travelling by non commercial carrier will only
    >get you to the port of entry not past it.
    >Jim Metcalfe

This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction
 
Old Aug 14th 2003, 1:24 am
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Default Re: PR Card Required for non-commercial carrier US-Canada Travel: Truth or Myth?

Originally posted by Jaj
Even if PR card is not technically required (such as coming from US in
a private vehicle) it makes proving your status as a Canadian PR for a
range of purposes so much easier. Why are so many people apparently
reluctant just to keep things simple and get one?
Probably because the whole process is a pain in the behind and isn't cheap. It cost me about $130 between photos, notary fees (no guarantor), the application fee, and getting copies of some extra documents to get my application together. Then you have to go to their choice of location and time to pick it up, which is always going to wind up inconvenient to you. I can see why someone who doesn't plan to make any trips other than driving to the US before they can get their citizenship would want to skip the whole thing.
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Old Aug 14th 2003, 2:30 am
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Jeremy,

To answer your question - its not that people dont want to get the PR
card, they simply dont get enough time to collect one.

CIC, in all its communication, keeps on reminiding applicants (in bold
letters) that they should not sell property, resign from their jobs or
take any irrevocable steps until they receive the immigrant visa.
Then suddenly, after months of waiting and uncertainity, the visa
comes along with an expiry date within which the applicant has to land
in Canada.

I know of a few cases where the visa has arrived a month before the
expiry date. What do you expect the applicant to do ? Is relocation
to a new country that easy ? This is why most immigrants take the
easy way out - land in Canada and return to their home country for a
few months to complete all pending work before making the second and
final journey to Canada.

Some of them are not fortunate enough to get the PR card on time. And
that is the reason you see so many questions on this forum regarding
collection of PR cards when the people themselves are out of the
country. They are not trying to break the law; they are trying to
work around the system to ensure a smooth transition to their new
country.

Regards,


[email protected] (JAJ) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Even if PR card is not technically required (such as coming from US in
    > a private vehicle) it makes proving your status as a Canadian PR for a
    > range of purposes so much easier. Why are so many people apparently
    > reluctant just to keep things simple and get one?
    >
    > Jeremy
    >
    > >On Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:34:32 -0400, "James Metcalfe" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >Yes but an Immigration officer will have to let you into the qountry and ask
    > >you where is your PR card. Travelling by non commercial carrier will only
    > >get you to the port of entry not past it.
    > >
    > >Jim Metcalfe
    > >
    >
    > This is not intended to be legal advice in any jurisdiction
 
Old Aug 14th 2003, 4:11 am
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> Why are so many people apparently reluctant
> just to keep things simple and get one [PR Card]?

Jeremy, to pick up your PRCard you have to physically show up at a CIC office and prove who you are. A number of people, once they land in Canada, go back to their home country but pretend they are still in Canada, in the hope they can qualify for citizenship without actually being in Canada. The PRCard requirements often throw a monkey-wrench into their plans. The person who posted the original message here doesn't appear to fall into this category, but when you read other postings about this issue you can see the pattern.
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Old Aug 14th 2003, 4:08 pm
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So the sole purpose of the PR card is to keep track of those entering and
leaving the country?

Is there a site describing the entire purpose of the PR card in full?

"CrazyCanuck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > > Why are so many people apparently reluctant
    > > just to keep things simple and get one [PR Card]?
    > Jeremy, to pick up your PRCard you have to physically show up at a CIC
    > office and prove who you are. A number of people, once they land in
    > Canada, go back to their home country but pretend they are still in
    > Canada, in the hope they can qualify for citizenship without actually
    > being in Canada. The PRCard requirements often throw a monkey-wrench
    > into their plans. The person who posted the original message here
    > doesn't appear to fall into this category, but when you read other
    > postings about this issue you can see the pattern.
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com
 
Old Aug 20th 2003, 11:59 am
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Agreed. This PR card processing this is a Royal pain in the butt. The PR
application is more tedious than the Citizenship application!! Then, it took
nearly an hour for my gaurantor (our accountant) to attest the applications
and photocopies of my wife and I (she had to manually write "I certify that
this is the true likeness, etc., etc" on EVERY photocopy.

Then CIC takes its own time to process the application and then sends you a
notice a week in advance to pick it up at a very specific date and time "or
else" wait 60 - 90 days for your next appointment. All this, when the
deadline of 31 Decemeber 2003 is fast approaching.

My wife waited and waited for her card but had some urgent family matters to
attend to in India. She could not wait for any longer for her appointment,
and this now results in another inordinate delay of 60 - 90 days in getting
her card.

Don't get me wrong. I am not saying the PR card is the wrong thing. In fact,
I like the idea of having the card because it makes it easy to travel
overseas and prevents abuse and fraud. (Many foreign airlines are puzzeled
when you showed them your ancient IMM 1000 form as proof of Canadian
residence.)

All the same, the PR process could have been made much more easier and
convenient, without compromising security, in this era of high-tech
governenance...


"sysclp" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Originally posted by Jaj
    > > Even if PR card is not technically required (such as coming from US in
    > > a private vehicle) it makes proving your status as a Canadian PR for a
    > > range of purposes so much easier. Why are so many people apparently
    > > reluctant just to keep things simple and get one?
    > >
    > Probably because the whole process is a pain in the behind and isn't
    > cheap. It cost me about $130 between photos, notary fees (no
    > guarantor), the application fee, and getting copies of some extra
    > documents to get my application together. Then you have to go to their
    > choice of location and time to pick it up, which is always going to wind
    > up inconvenient to you. I can see why someone who doesn't plan to make
    > any trips other than driving to the US before they can get their
    > citizenship would want to skip the whole thing.
    > --
    > Posted via http://britishexpats.com
 

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