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Old Oct 18th 2011, 6:36 am
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Apologies if this is a repeat of another thread. Tried searching but couldn't find anything.

My wife and I are Canadian PRs and currently living in Ontario. We have successfully applied for Australia PR visas and will be emigrating down under early next year (via a quick-ish stop-off in the UK). Our PR cards expire next year (which won't be a horrendous problem to get extended) and we had initially planned on applying for Canadian citizenship. Whether PR status or Citizenship, we would like to have either as a back-up - just in case.

My question is; if we obtain new PR cards for a further 5years next year what is the residency requirement within Canada? I recall it was 180days or so in any 3 or 5year period, but I can't remember the exact details. At the same time, if we apply for Citizenship (which I've researched is currently attracting a waiting time of 15months or so!) what are the residency requirements for that route. If we apply for Citizenship prior to renewing our PR cards then will it be approved if we are out of the country for an extended period (or at all for that matter)?

Ultimately we are departing Canada on to pastures new but, would like to have a Plan B just in case! If we are away from Canada for an extended period of time (which will probably be the case) then the concern is that our residency status will lapse.

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Residency requirement is and has been for a while two years total minimum in any five year rolling period., a lot more than 180days.

So basically if you leave as a PR for more than a three year continuous stretch, you have (technically) lost your PR status and safety net.

Whether you get caught though if you come back in on a still valid PR card 5 years from now is another question....


Citizenship is more of a practical problem due to the timeframes imposed on doing the test and ceremony, you dont get much notice and they wont use anything but a canadian address. In theory though once you reach the magic three year total and apply, you can leave canada and come back just for the test and ceremony, but clearly there are some practical issues to overcome.

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Old Oct 18th 2011, 7:08 am
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As Ian has said, you will have 3 years to decide if Australia is for you (Providing you have been in Canada for at least the last 2 years).

I assume that as you are thinking of applying for Citizenship you have been in Canada for at least 3 of the last 4 years.

I would think that 3 years should be enough of a safety net.

Just remember that you will not be able to renew your PR Card if you are not in Canada.
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Originally Posted by iaink
Residency requirement is and has been for a while two years total minimum in any five year rolling period., a lot more than 180days.

So basically if you leave as a PR for more than a three year continuous stretch, you have (technically) lost your PR status and safety net.

Whether you get caught though if you come back in on a still valid PR card 5 years from now is another question....


Citizenship is more of a practical problem due to the timeframes imposed on doing the test and ceremony, you dont get much notice and they wont use anything but a canadian address. In theory though once you reach the magic three year total and apply, you can leave canada and come back just for the test and ceremony, but clearly there are some practical issues to overcome.
Thanks for the info.

So, it is highly likely that we could apply for Citizenship (ideally whilst in possession of a valid PR card) and that application would be granted irrespective of our residency situation outside of Canada (on the proviso that the waiting time does not impinge upon the residency requirement of the PR card itself)?

We have been PRs since early 2007 and thus are eligible for Citizenship. The test/ceremony situation is a mere technicality. Furthermore, we are likely to rent-out our Canadian home rather than sell, thus can re-direct any pertinent mail onto Oz for this purpose.

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Originally Posted by Reggie Mental
We have been PRs since early 2007 and thus are eligible for Citizenship. The test/ceremony situation is a mere technicality. Furthermore, we are likely to rent-out our Canadian home rather than sell, thus can re-direct any pertinent mail onto Oz for this purpose.
Whatever you do, don't re-direct mail to Oz for that purpose - you won't get much notice of your test and ceremony dates (a couple of weeks or so, may even be less), so waiting for it to reach Oz will give you even less time. You'll need somebody to open your mail for you, and to be prepared to fly back to Canada at very short notice twice.

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Thanks for the info.

So, it is highly likely that we could apply for Citizenship (ideally whilst in possession of a valid PR card) and that application would be granted irrespective of our residency situation outside of Canada (on the proviso that the waiting time does not impinge upon the residency requirement of the PR card itself)?

We have been PRs since early 2007 and thus are eligible for Citizenship. The test/ceremony situation is a mere technicality. Furthermore, we are likely to rent-out our Canadian home rather than sell, thus can re-direct any pertinent mail onto Oz for this purpose.

Cheers
Yes, thats about right. Its whether you qualify for citizenship at the time you send off the forms that matters AFAIK. Just a bugger to have to arrange and pay for flights, accomodation etc potentially at short notice. I woldnt trust Canada Post to get it forwarded quick enough, better to use one of those services that scans and emails your snail mail, but I dont know the details of how they work or whether CIC might be smart enough to catch on to that... A friend monitoring the mail is the best bet I suspect.

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As Ian has said, you will have 3 years to decide if Australia is for you (Providing you have been in Canada for at least the last 2 years).

I assume that as you are thinking of applying for Citizenship you have been in Canada for at least 3 of the last 4 years.

I would think that 3 years should be enough of a safety net.

Just remember that you will not be able to renew your PR Card if you are not in Canada.
Thanks for the good points. We did the online calculations quite recently and factoring-in our holidays outside of Canada we easily meet the residency requirements for the Citizenship application. However, your point on the PR card suggests that we may have a small problem in that we cannot leave Canada prior to the expiry of our current PR card as that would invalidate any renewed card (seeing as we would outside Canada). If we do not have a valid PR card this would also negate any Citizenship application?

To be doubly sure we would need to leave Canada after our PR card expires (when we possibly have a new one in our possession).
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You dont need a PR card to be a PR, just to travel as a PR (and even then its a grey area for a UK Passport holder), so no, you dont really need a PR card to become a citizen.
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