Obligation to stay in Quebec

Old Mar 25th 2004, 3:43 pm
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Naughty Jimmy
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Hi everybody!



My question is:

If I immigrate to Canada through the Quebec program,
once I am granted the Canadian PR visa, is there an obligation
to stay in Quebec for a certain period of time (or to enter Canadian
soil by landing in Quebec) or will I be allowed to settle directly in
any Canadian province like any immigrant who got the PR status through
the federal program?


Thanks a lot,

Yours truly,


Jimmy
 
Old Mar 25th 2004, 4:38 pm
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Andrew Miller
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You must land in Quebec or if landing in other Province then you must prove
that you are continuing your travel to Quebec immediately after landing.

Remember that when you apply (or applied already) for PR visa with your CSQ
you sign (or signed) the statutory declaration of intentions to settle and
reside permanently in Quebec. On that basis you are (or were) granted
Canadian PR visa under Quebec program. If you show no effort to settle and
reside permanently in Quebec you may find yourself in the process of having
your PR status revoked as obtained fraudulently.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"Naughty Jimmy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Hi everybody!
    > My question is:
    > If I immigrate to Canada through the Quebec program,
    > once I am granted the Canadian PR visa, is there an obligation
    > to stay in Quebec for a certain period of time (or to enter Canadian
    > soil by landing in Quebec) or will I be allowed to settle directly in
    > any Canadian province like any immigrant who got the PR status through
    > the federal program?
    > Thanks a lot,
    > Yours truly,
    > Jimmy
 
Old Mar 25th 2004, 5:34 pm
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Naughty Jimmy
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Mr. Miller, thanks for replying so quickly!

Of course, I had noticed that "statutory declaration of intentions to
settle and reside permanently in Quebec" and it had worried me.

But then, in the eyes of both Canadian federal and Quebec immigration
legislations, what does "to reside permanently in Quebec" mean exactly?
Will I be supposed to stay in Quebec for a few months, or a few years or
forever?



Thanks very much,
Yours truly,


Jimmy






Andrew Miller wrote :
    > You must land in Quebec or if landing in other Province then you must prove
    > that you are continuing your travel to Quebec immediately after landing.
    >
    > Remember that when you apply (or applied already) for PR visa with your CSQ
    > you sign (or signed) the statutory declaration of intentions to settle and
    > reside permanently in Quebec. On that basis you are (or were) granted
    > Canadian PR visa under Quebec program. If you show no effort to settle and
    > reside permanently in Quebec you may find yourself in the process of having
    > your PR status revoked as obtained fraudulently.
    >
 
Old Mar 25th 2004, 5:51 pm
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Andrew Miller
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Yes, it should worry you. Quebec immigration program is designed for those
who want to live in Quebec - it is not for those who want to reside in
another Province, but feel that it will be easier for them to obtain PR
status through Quebec. This is why the statutory declaration is needed. It
serves 2 purposes - (1) to remind you about the seriousness of declaring
your intention to reside in Quebec and (2) to give CIC an easy tool to use
against you should you decide not to settle in Quebec.

What "residing permanently" means? Exactly what is says - to live
permanently, to have your permanent residence there, to work or study there,
etc.

Staying even for few months in Quebec after landing with CSQ may not be
considered settling there permanently if you were not really settling there,
if you just wanted to stay as short as you feel may be needed to safely move
out of Quebec.

If CIC will decide to go after you then it will be investigated to determine
what have you done to fulfill your declared intentions. If you showed a well
documented and solid effort to settle there, if you rented residence for
long term (not just lived with your friend for few weeks), if you seriously
looked for the job in Quebec without looking for the same outside Quebec at
the same time, if you have done everything to get the job and live there but
you were unsuccessful then you may not have any problems.

But your original question clearly indicated that you already consider
another Province before even landing in Canada. It is a no, no...

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"Naughty Jimmy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Mr. Miller, thanks for replying so quickly!
    > Of course, I had noticed that "statutory declaration of intentions to
    > settle and reside permanently in Quebec" and it had worried me.
    > But then, in the eyes of both Canadian federal and Quebec immigration
    > legislations, what does "to reside permanently in Quebec" mean exactly?
    > Will I be supposed to stay in Quebec for a few months, or a few years or
    > forever?
    > Thanks very much,
    > Yours truly,
    > Jimmy
    > Andrew Miller wrote :
    > > You must land in Quebec or if landing in other Province then you must
prove
    > > that you are continuing your travel to Quebec immediately after landing.
    > >
    > > Remember that when you apply (or applied already) for PR visa with your
CSQ
    > > you sign (or signed) the statutory declaration of intentions to settle
and
    > > reside permanently in Quebec. On that basis you are (or were) granted
    > > Canadian PR visa under Quebec program. If you show no effort to settle
and
    > > reside permanently in Quebec you may find yourself in the process of
having
    > > your PR status revoked as obtained fraudulently.
    > >
 
Old Mar 25th 2004, 6:54 pm
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Naughty Jimmy
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Hey, Mr. Miller, thanks very much for your guidance!
You're a cool guy!


Andrew Miller wrote :

    > Yes, it should worry you. Quebec immigration program is designed for those
    > who want to live in Quebec - it is not for those who want to reside in
    > another Province, but feel that it will be easier for them to obtain PR
    > status through Quebec. This is why the statutory declaration is needed. It
    > serves 2 purposes - (1) to remind you about the seriousness of declaring
    > your intention to reside in Quebec and (2) to give CIC an easy tool to use
    > against you should you decide not to settle in Quebec.
    >
    > What "residing permanently" means? Exactly what is says - to live
    > permanently, to have your permanent residence there, to work or study there,
    > etc.
    >
    > Staying even for few months in Quebec after landing with CSQ may not be
    > considered settling there permanently if you were not really settling there,
    > if you just wanted to stay as short as you feel may be needed to safely move
    > out of Quebec.
    >
    > If CIC will decide to go after you then it will be investigated to determine
    > what have you done to fulfill your declared intentions. If you showed a well
    > documented and solid effort to settle there, if you rented residence for
    > long term (not just lived with your friend for few weeks), if you seriously
    > looked for the job in Quebec without looking for the same outside Quebec at
    > the same time, if you have done everything to get the job and live there but
    > you were unsuccessful then you may not have any problems.
    >
    > But your original question clearly indicated that you already consider
    > another Province before even landing in Canada. It is a no, no...
    >
 
Old Mar 25th 2004, 7:47 pm
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Dear Mr Miller,

Excuse me for disturbing you once again,
I've totally understood your explanations, but in order to
further clarify this matter, I'd like to ask you one more question:

OK, let's assume that I get my PR visa via the CSQ and settle in Quebec,
and live there for three years and apply for Canadian citizenship and
become a Canadian citizen. If I move to another Province afterwards, is
it conceivable that CIC officers may be zealous enough to investigate me
and revoke my citizenship? (Has such a thing already happened?)


(Come on, I know they perpetually have an overload of backlogs and are
overworked, they can't be that zealous!)



Yours truly,

    

Jimmy








Andrew Miller wrote :
    > Yes, it should worry you. Quebec immigration program is designed for those
    > who want to live in Quebec - it is not for those who want to reside in
    > another Province, but feel that it will be easier for them to obtain PR
    > status through Quebec. This is why the statutory declaration is needed. It
    > serves 2 purposes - (1) to remind you about the seriousness of declaring
    > your intention to reside in Quebec and (2) to give CIC an easy tool to use
    > against you should you decide not to settle in Quebec.
    >
    > What "residing permanently" means? Exactly what is says - to live
    > permanently, to have your permanent residence there, to work or study there,
    > etc.
    >
    > Staying even for few months in Quebec after landing with CSQ may not be
    > considered settling there permanently if you were not really settling there,
    > if you just wanted to stay as short as you feel may be needed to safely move
    > out of Quebec.
    >
    > If CIC will decide to go after you then it will be investigated to determine
    > what have you done to fulfill your declared intentions. If you showed a well
    > documented and solid effort to settle there, if you rented residence for
    > long term (not just lived with your friend for few weeks), if you seriously
    > looked for the job in Quebec without looking for the same outside Quebec at
    > the same time, if you have done everything to get the job and live there but
    > you were unsuccessful then you may not have any problems.
    >
    > But your original question clearly indicated that you already consider
    > another Province before even landing in Canada. It is a no, no...
    >
 
Old Mar 25th 2004, 7:54 pm
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Andrew Miller
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You misunderstood me. You can move out of Quebec even few months after
landing, as long as you can prove that you've settled there first and done
everything to establish yourself in Quebec. You will only have problem if
you move out of Quebec without even trying to establish your permanent life
there.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________


"Naughty Jimmy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Dear Mr Miller,
    > Excuse me for disturbing you once again,
    > I've totally understood your explanations, but in order to
    > further clarify this matter, I'd like to ask you one more question:
    > OK, let's assume that I get my PR visa via the CSQ and settle in Quebec,
    > and live there for three years and apply for Canadian citizenship and
    > become a Canadian citizen. If I move to another Province afterwards, is
    > it conceivable that CIC officers may be zealous enough to investigate me
    > and revoke my citizenship? (Has such a thing already happened?)
    > (Come on, I know they perpetually have an overload of backlogs and are
    > overworked, they can't be that zealous!)
    > Yours truly,
    >
    > Jimmy
    > Andrew Miller wrote :
    > > Yes, it should worry you. Quebec immigration program is designed for
those
    > > who want to live in Quebec - it is not for those who want to reside in
    > > another Province, but feel that it will be easier for them to obtain PR
    > > status through Quebec. This is why the statutory declaration is needed.
It
    > > serves 2 purposes - (1) to remind you about the seriousness of declaring
    > > your intention to reside in Quebec and (2) to give CIC an easy tool to
use
    > > against you should you decide not to settle in Quebec.
    > >
    > > What "residing permanently" means? Exactly what is says - to live
    > > permanently, to have your permanent residence there, to work or study
there,
    > > etc.
    > >
    > > Staying even for few months in Quebec after landing with CSQ may not be
    > > considered settling there permanently if you were not really settling
there,
    > > if you just wanted to stay as short as you feel may be needed to safely
move
    > > out of Quebec.
    > >
    > > If CIC will decide to go after you then it will be investigated to
determine
    > > what have you done to fulfill your declared intentions. If you showed a
well
    > > documented and solid effort to settle there, if you rented residence for
    > > long term (not just lived with your friend for few weeks), if you
seriously
    > > looked for the job in Quebec without looking for the same outside Quebec
at
    > > the same time, if you have done everything to get the job and live there
but
    > > you were unsuccessful then you may not have any problems.
    > >
    > > But your original question clearly indicated that you already consider
    > > another Province before even landing in Canada. It is a no, no...
    > >
 
Old Mar 26th 2004, 7:28 am
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Ha Ha Ha! OK, now I get it!

Thank you very much, Mr Miller, you're the greatest!


Yours truly,


Jimmy



Andrew Miller wrote :
    > You misunderstood me. You can move out of Quebec even few months after
    > landing, as long as you can prove that you've settled there first and done
    > everything to establish yourself in Quebec. You will only have problem if
    > you move out of Quebec without even trying to establish your permanent life
    > there.
    >
 
Old Mar 26th 2004, 11:26 am
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You can land in Quebec and leave the province next minute. First of all you are a Canada PR and Quebec is part of Canada. I know tens of people who have done this.
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Old Mar 26th 2004, 2:27 pm
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But, contiv, this totally contradicts what Andrew Miller said!



contiv wrote :

    > You can land in Quebec and leave the province next minute. First of all
    > you are a Canada PR and Quebec is part of Canada. I know tens of people
    > who have done this.
    > contiv
    >
    >
 
Old Mar 26th 2004, 3:24 pm
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Nobody is going to audit your stay, in my opinion, but you should be careful. You can be expected to make a reasonable effort to find a job and settle in Québec. If you were unsuccessful and feel you might have success elsewhere in canada, moving is not a problem. They would prefer you move to Toronto with a job than stay in Québec on unemployment insurance!

To be nice to the province that selected you, I would spend a few months trying to look for a job and maybe settle down. Why are you so bent on moving elsewhere anyway?


Originally posted by Naughty Jimmy
But, contiv, this totally contradicts what Andrew Miller said!



contiv wrote :

    > You can land in Quebec and leave the province next minute. First of all
    > you are a Canada PR and Quebec is part of Canada. I know tens of people
    > who have done this.
    > contiv
    >
    >
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Old Mar 26th 2004, 3:57 pm
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I know, this is my angle on the issue, based on what I have seen and heard from other people. But Mr. Miller is in a better position than me to inform you of the risks of moving out. So if want to be on the safe side take his advice over mine. I just stated the facts I am aware of. My view of it is that on your visa it says Canada and not Quebec. Therefore you are free to move around whenever and wherever you want. This is my understanding. I might be wrong.
regards
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ps: you should give Quebec a try it's not that bad
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Old Mar 26th 2004, 4:42 pm
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Dear contiv and prodigy346,


Actually, I don't think at all that Quebec is bad, but I
am more familiar with English-speaking Canada and believe that its
economy is doing slightly better than in Quebec.
But at the end of the day, I think you guys and Mr Miller are right,
I think I'm going to try to really settle in Quebec for some time.


Thanks very much for your advice!


Yours truly,


Jimmy
 
Old Mar 26th 2004, 4:58 pm
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IT has nothing to do with freedom of movement. It has everything to do with
applying under Quebec program and signing declaration of intentions to
settle and live permanently in Quebec.

Nobody will keep immigrant in Quebec, he or she is free to move. But if it
is clear that she or he didn't have any intention to live in Quebec,
contrary to signed declaration then CIC has the right to go after such
person's PR status as obtained fraudulently. Again - nothing to do with
freedom of movement. Everything to do with PR application under CSQ program.

--

../..

Andrew Miller
Immigration Consultant
Vancouver, British Columbia
email: [email protected]
(delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email)
________________________________



"contiv" <[email protected]_expats.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > I know, this is my angle on the issue, based on what I have seen and
    > heard from other people. But Mr. Miller is in a better position than me
    > to inform you of the risks of moving out. So if want to be on the safe
    > side take his advice over mine. I just stated the facts I am aware of.
    > My view of it is that on your visa it says Canada and not Quebec.
    > Therefore you are free to move around whenever and wherever you want.
    > This is my understanding. I might be wrong.
    > regards
    > contiv
    > ps: you
    > should give Quebec a try it's not that bad
    > --
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Old Apr 13th 2004, 4:18 pm
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read.. then decide.......



http://www.vigile.net/pol/immigratio...rsonloser.html









"Naughty Jimmy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Mr. Miller, thanks for replying so quickly!
    > Of course, I had noticed that "statutory declaration of intentions to
    > settle and reside permanently in Quebec" and it had worried me.
    > But then, in the eyes of both Canadian federal and Quebec immigration
    > legislations, what does "to reside permanently in Quebec" mean exactly?
    > Will I be supposed to stay in Quebec for a few months, or a few years or
    > forever?
    > Thanks very much,
    > Yours truly,
    > Jimmy
    > Andrew Miller wrote :
    > > You must land in Quebec or if landing in other Province then you must
prove
    > > that you are continuing your travel to Quebec immediately after landing.
    > >
    > > Remember that when you apply (or applied already) for PR visa with your
CSQ
    > > you sign (or signed) the statutory declaration of intentions to settle
and
    > > reside permanently in Quebec. On that basis you are (or were) granted
    > > Canadian PR visa under Quebec program. If you show no effort to settle
and
    > > reside permanently in Quebec you may find yourself in the process of
having
    > > your PR status revoked as obtained fraudulently.
    > >
 

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