Obligation to stay in Quebec
Hi everybody!
My question is: If I immigrate to Canada through the Quebec program, once I am granted the Canadian PR visa, is there an obligation to stay in Quebec for a certain period of time (or to enter Canadian soil by landing in Quebec) or will I be allowed to settle directly in any Canadian province like any immigrant who got the PR status through the federal program? Thanks a lot, Yours truly, Jimmy |
Re: Obligation to stay in Quebec
You must land in Quebec or if landing in other Province then you must prove
that you are continuing your travel to Quebec immediately after landing. Remember that when you apply (or applied already) for PR visa with your CSQ you sign (or signed) the statutory declaration of intentions to settle and reside permanently in Quebec. On that basis you are (or were) granted Canadian PR visa under Quebec program. If you show no effort to settle and reside permanently in Quebec you may find yourself in the process of having your PR status revoked as obtained fraudulently. -- ../.. Andrew Miller Immigration Consultant Vancouver, British Columbia email: [email protected] (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email) ________________________________ "Naughty Jimmy" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]... > Hi everybody! > My question is: > If I immigrate to Canada through the Quebec program, > once I am granted the Canadian PR visa, is there an obligation > to stay in Quebec for a certain period of time (or to enter Canadian > soil by landing in Quebec) or will I be allowed to settle directly in > any Canadian province like any immigrant who got the PR status through > the federal program? > Thanks a lot, > Yours truly, > Jimmy |
Re: Obligation to stay in Quebec
Mr. Miller, thanks for replying so quickly!
Of course, I had noticed that "statutory declaration of intentions to settle and reside permanently in Quebec" and it had worried me. But then, in the eyes of both Canadian federal and Quebec immigration legislations, what does "to reside permanently in Quebec" mean exactly? Will I be supposed to stay in Quebec for a few months, or a few years or forever? Thanks very much, Yours truly, Jimmy Andrew Miller wrote : > You must land in Quebec or if landing in other Province then you must prove > that you are continuing your travel to Quebec immediately after landing. > > Remember that when you apply (or applied already) for PR visa with your CSQ > you sign (or signed) the statutory declaration of intentions to settle and > reside permanently in Quebec. On that basis you are (or were) granted > Canadian PR visa under Quebec program. If you show no effort to settle and > reside permanently in Quebec you may find yourself in the process of having > your PR status revoked as obtained fraudulently. > |
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Yes, it should worry you. Quebec immigration program is designed for those
who want to live in Quebec - it is not for those who want to reside in another Province, but feel that it will be easier for them to obtain PR status through Quebec. This is why the statutory declaration is needed. It serves 2 purposes - (1) to remind you about the seriousness of declaring your intention to reside in Quebec and (2) to give CIC an easy tool to use against you should you decide not to settle in Quebec. What "residing permanently" means? Exactly what is says - to live permanently, to have your permanent residence there, to work or study there, etc. Staying even for few months in Quebec after landing with CSQ may not be considered settling there permanently if you were not really settling there, if you just wanted to stay as short as you feel may be needed to safely move out of Quebec. If CIC will decide to go after you then it will be investigated to determine what have you done to fulfill your declared intentions. If you showed a well documented and solid effort to settle there, if you rented residence for long term (not just lived with your friend for few weeks), if you seriously looked for the job in Quebec without looking for the same outside Quebec at the same time, if you have done everything to get the job and live there but you were unsuccessful then you may not have any problems. But your original question clearly indicated that you already consider another Province before even landing in Canada. It is a no, no... -- ../.. Andrew Miller Immigration Consultant Vancouver, British Columbia email: [email protected] (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email) ________________________________ "Naughty Jimmy" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]... > Mr. Miller, thanks for replying so quickly! > Of course, I had noticed that "statutory declaration of intentions to > settle and reside permanently in Quebec" and it had worried me. > But then, in the eyes of both Canadian federal and Quebec immigration > legislations, what does "to reside permanently in Quebec" mean exactly? > Will I be supposed to stay in Quebec for a few months, or a few years or > forever? > Thanks very much, > Yours truly, > Jimmy > Andrew Miller wrote : > > You must land in Quebec or if landing in other Province then you must prove > > that you are continuing your travel to Quebec immediately after landing. > > > > Remember that when you apply (or applied already) for PR visa with your CSQ > > you sign (or signed) the statutory declaration of intentions to settle and > > reside permanently in Quebec. On that basis you are (or were) granted > > Canadian PR visa under Quebec program. If you show no effort to settle and > > reside permanently in Quebec you may find yourself in the process of having > > your PR status revoked as obtained fraudulently. > > |
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Hey, Mr. Miller, thanks very much for your guidance!
You're a cool guy! Andrew Miller wrote : > Yes, it should worry you. Quebec immigration program is designed for those > who want to live in Quebec - it is not for those who want to reside in > another Province, but feel that it will be easier for them to obtain PR > status through Quebec. This is why the statutory declaration is needed. It > serves 2 purposes - (1) to remind you about the seriousness of declaring > your intention to reside in Quebec and (2) to give CIC an easy tool to use > against you should you decide not to settle in Quebec. > > What "residing permanently" means? Exactly what is says - to live > permanently, to have your permanent residence there, to work or study there, > etc. > > Staying even for few months in Quebec after landing with CSQ may not be > considered settling there permanently if you were not really settling there, > if you just wanted to stay as short as you feel may be needed to safely move > out of Quebec. > > If CIC will decide to go after you then it will be investigated to determine > what have you done to fulfill your declared intentions. If you showed a well > documented and solid effort to settle there, if you rented residence for > long term (not just lived with your friend for few weeks), if you seriously > looked for the job in Quebec without looking for the same outside Quebec at > the same time, if you have done everything to get the job and live there but > you were unsuccessful then you may not have any problems. > > But your original question clearly indicated that you already consider > another Province before even landing in Canada. It is a no, no... > |
Re: Obligation to stay in Quebec
Dear Mr Miller,
Excuse me for disturbing you once again, I've totally understood your explanations, but in order to further clarify this matter, I'd like to ask you one more question: OK, let's assume that I get my PR visa via the CSQ and settle in Quebec, and live there for three years and apply for Canadian citizenship and become a Canadian citizen. If I move to another Province afterwards, is it conceivable that CIC officers may be zealous enough to investigate me and revoke my citizenship? (Has such a thing already happened?) (Come on, I know they perpetually have an overload of backlogs and are overworked, they can't be that zealous!) Yours truly, :) Jimmy Andrew Miller wrote : > Yes, it should worry you. Quebec immigration program is designed for those > who want to live in Quebec - it is not for those who want to reside in > another Province, but feel that it will be easier for them to obtain PR > status through Quebec. This is why the statutory declaration is needed. It > serves 2 purposes - (1) to remind you about the seriousness of declaring > your intention to reside in Quebec and (2) to give CIC an easy tool to use > against you should you decide not to settle in Quebec. > > What "residing permanently" means? Exactly what is says - to live > permanently, to have your permanent residence there, to work or study there, > etc. > > Staying even for few months in Quebec after landing with CSQ may not be > considered settling there permanently if you were not really settling there, > if you just wanted to stay as short as you feel may be needed to safely move > out of Quebec. > > If CIC will decide to go after you then it will be investigated to determine > what have you done to fulfill your declared intentions. If you showed a well > documented and solid effort to settle there, if you rented residence for > long term (not just lived with your friend for few weeks), if you seriously > looked for the job in Quebec without looking for the same outside Quebec at > the same time, if you have done everything to get the job and live there but > you were unsuccessful then you may not have any problems. > > But your original question clearly indicated that you already consider > another Province before even landing in Canada. It is a no, no... > |
Re: Obligation to stay in Quebec
You misunderstood me. You can move out of Quebec even few months after
landing, as long as you can prove that you've settled there first and done everything to establish yourself in Quebec. You will only have problem if you move out of Quebec without even trying to establish your permanent life there. -- ../.. Andrew Miller Immigration Consultant Vancouver, British Columbia email: [email protected] (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email) ________________________________ "Naughty Jimmy" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]... > Dear Mr Miller, > Excuse me for disturbing you once again, > I've totally understood your explanations, but in order to > further clarify this matter, I'd like to ask you one more question: > OK, let's assume that I get my PR visa via the CSQ and settle in Quebec, > and live there for three years and apply for Canadian citizenship and > become a Canadian citizen. If I move to another Province afterwards, is > it conceivable that CIC officers may be zealous enough to investigate me > and revoke my citizenship? (Has such a thing already happened?) > (Come on, I know they perpetually have an overload of backlogs and are > overworked, they can't be that zealous!) > Yours truly, > :) > Jimmy > Andrew Miller wrote : > > Yes, it should worry you. Quebec immigration program is designed for those > > who want to live in Quebec - it is not for those who want to reside in > > another Province, but feel that it will be easier for them to obtain PR > > status through Quebec. This is why the statutory declaration is needed. It > > serves 2 purposes - (1) to remind you about the seriousness of declaring > > your intention to reside in Quebec and (2) to give CIC an easy tool to use > > against you should you decide not to settle in Quebec. > > > > What "residing permanently" means? Exactly what is says - to live > > permanently, to have your permanent residence there, to work or study there, > > etc. > > > > Staying even for few months in Quebec after landing with CSQ may not be > > considered settling there permanently if you were not really settling there, > > if you just wanted to stay as short as you feel may be needed to safely move > > out of Quebec. > > > > If CIC will decide to go after you then it will be investigated to determine > > what have you done to fulfill your declared intentions. If you showed a well > > documented and solid effort to settle there, if you rented residence for > > long term (not just lived with your friend for few weeks), if you seriously > > looked for the job in Quebec without looking for the same outside Quebec at > > the same time, if you have done everything to get the job and live there but > > you were unsuccessful then you may not have any problems. > > > > But your original question clearly indicated that you already consider > > another Province before even landing in Canada. It is a no, no... > > |
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Ha Ha Ha! OK, now I get it! :)
Thank you very much, Mr Miller, you're the greatest! Yours truly, Jimmy Andrew Miller wrote : > You misunderstood me. You can move out of Quebec even few months after > landing, as long as you can prove that you've settled there first and done > everything to establish yourself in Quebec. You will only have problem if > you move out of Quebec without even trying to establish your permanent life > there. > |
Re: Obligation to stay in Quebec
You can land in Quebec and leave the province next minute. First of all you are a Canada PR and Quebec is part of Canada. I know tens of people who have done this.
contiv |
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But, contiv, this totally contradicts what Andrew Miller said!
contiv wrote : > You can land in Quebec and leave the province next minute. First of all > you are a Canada PR and Quebec is part of Canada. I know tens of people > who have done this. > contiv > > |
Re: Obligation to stay in Quebec
Nobody is going to audit your stay, in my opinion, but you should be careful. You can be expected to make a reasonable effort to find a job and settle in Québec. If you were unsuccessful and feel you might have success elsewhere in canada, moving is not a problem. They would prefer you move to Toronto with a job than stay in Québec on unemployment insurance!
To be nice to the province that selected you, I would spend a few months trying to look for a job and maybe settle down. Why are you so bent on moving elsewhere anyway? Originally posted by Naughty Jimmy But, contiv, this totally contradicts what Andrew Miller said! contiv wrote : > You can land in Quebec and leave the province next minute. First of all > you are a Canada PR and Quebec is part of Canada. I know tens of people > who have done this. > contiv > > |
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I know, this is my angle on the issue, based on what I have seen and heard from other people. But Mr. Miller is in a better position than me to inform you of the risks of moving out. So if want to be on the safe side take his advice over mine. I just stated the facts I am aware of. My view of it is that on your visa it says Canada and not Quebec. Therefore you are free to move around whenever and wherever you want. This is my understanding. I might be wrong.
regards contiv ps: you should give Quebec a try it's not that bad |
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Dear contiv and prodigy346,
Actually, I don't think at all that Quebec is bad, but I am more familiar with English-speaking Canada and believe that its economy is doing slightly better than in Quebec. But at the end of the day, I think you guys and Mr Miller are right, I think I'm going to try to really settle in Quebec for some time. Thanks very much for your advice! Yours truly, Jimmy |
Re: Obligation to stay in Quebec
IT has nothing to do with freedom of movement. It has everything to do with
applying under Quebec program and signing declaration of intentions to settle and live permanently in Quebec. Nobody will keep immigrant in Quebec, he or she is free to move. But if it is clear that she or he didn't have any intention to live in Quebec, contrary to signed declaration then CIC has the right to go after such person's PR status as obtained fraudulently. Again - nothing to do with freedom of movement. Everything to do with PR application under CSQ program. -- ../.. Andrew Miller Immigration Consultant Vancouver, British Columbia email: [email protected] (delete REMOVE from the above address before sending email) ________________________________ "contiv" <member15838@british_expats.com> wrote in message news:[email protected]... > I know, this is my angle on the issue, based on what I have seen and > heard from other people. But Mr. Miller is in a better position than me > to inform you of the risks of moving out. So if want to be on the safe > side take his advice over mine. I just stated the facts I am aware of. > My view of it is that on your visa it says Canada and not Quebec. > Therefore you are free to move around whenever and wherever you want. > This is my understanding. I might be wrong. > regards > contiv > ps: you > should give Quebec a try it's not that bad > -- > Posted via http://britishexpats.com |
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read.. then decide.......
http://www.vigile.net/pol/immigratio...rsonloser.html "Naughty Jimmy" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]... > Mr. Miller, thanks for replying so quickly! > Of course, I had noticed that "statutory declaration of intentions to > settle and reside permanently in Quebec" and it had worried me. > But then, in the eyes of both Canadian federal and Quebec immigration > legislations, what does "to reside permanently in Quebec" mean exactly? > Will I be supposed to stay in Quebec for a few months, or a few years or > forever? > Thanks very much, > Yours truly, > Jimmy > Andrew Miller wrote : > > You must land in Quebec or if landing in other Province then you must prove > > that you are continuing your travel to Quebec immediately after landing. > > > > Remember that when you apply (or applied already) for PR visa with your CSQ > > you sign (or signed) the statutory declaration of intentions to settle and > > reside permanently in Quebec. On that basis you are (or were) granted > > Canadian PR visa under Quebec program. If you show no effort to settle and > > reside permanently in Quebec you may find yourself in the process of having > > your PR status revoked as obtained fraudulently. > > |
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