NOC Codes & Jon Descriptions

Old Jul 18th 2019, 3:21 pm
  #1  
Forum Regular
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 33
Canniecanuck is an unknown quantity at this point
Default NOC Codes & Jon Descriptions

Hello Forum

My nephew and his wife are both here working under an IEC work permit but are looking at apply for the EE via CEC once they have completed a years experience.

My question is around the NOC code and job description. If your job title is not listed are you okay choosing a code that is similar where the lead statement and key roles match what you do?

Is it it expected that you would do every single role that is listed or is there an expected percentage of the roles that are required?

How do you go about proving that your role matches the code - do you just provide proof of your job description and a letter from your employer?

As a rule of thumb does a CEC application take a year or less to process? In as much as would they have time before their IEC visa expires. They have both been lucky to have secured jobs within 2 months of arriving here so hoping that the timeline isn’t too tight.

Thanks

Canniecanuck is offline  
Old Jul 18th 2019, 4:06 pm
  #2  
SUPER MODERATOR
 
christmasoompa's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Location: In a darkened room somewhere.............
Posts: 34,025
christmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: NOC Codes & Jon Descriptions

At least half of the 'main duties' are what they're looking for, and it must be backed up with as much as possible i.e. employment contract, job description and references outlining the duties.

CEC takes around 6 months once an application for PR has been submitted. If they're scoring enough on the CRS to get an ITA straight away, and they've already got their IELTS/ECA's etc sorted, then a year should be ample time.

HTH.
christmasoompa is offline  
Old Jul 18th 2019, 4:21 pm
  #3  
Forum Regular
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 33
Canniecanuck is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Re: NOC Codes & Jon Descriptions

Thanks Christmasoompa

Sorry but I have forgotten what CRS stands for, they have done points for EE but only had around 420 as they don't have university education? They have done the IELTS and have their ECA's
Canniecanuck is offline  
Old Jul 18th 2019, 4:28 pm
  #4  
SUPER MODERATOR
 
christmasoompa's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Location: In a darkened room somewhere.............
Posts: 34,025
christmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: NOC Codes & Jon Descriptions

Originally Posted by Canniecanuck
Thanks Christmasoompa

Sorry but I have forgotten what CRS stands for, they have done points for EE but only had around 420 as they don't have university education? They have done the IELTS and have their ECA's
Ah. CRS stands for Combined Ranking System - the points for EE you mention above. Unfortunately at 420 they won't be getting an ITA anytime soon, it's been at around 460/470 recently so they're a way off.

When do they gain extra points for Canadian work experience?
christmasoompa is offline  
Old Jul 18th 2019, 4:33 pm
  #5  
Forum Regular
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 33
Canniecanuck is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Re: NOC Codes & Jon Descriptions

I may be confused so please bare with me here. They have only been here a few months so far so my understanding for the Canadian Experience Class is that they will need a minimum of 12 months experience before they can use this as for this type of application. They will also have a job offer as they are currently in permanent, full time positions but would they need an LIMA?

I apologize if I am using the wrong terms - I have read before that you can apply for an EE/CEC but thought that the points for this weren't as important.
Canniecanuck is offline  
Old Jul 18th 2019, 5:03 pm
  #6  
SUPER MODERATOR
 
christmasoompa's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Location: In a darkened room somewhere.............
Posts: 34,025
christmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: NOC Codes & Jon Descriptions

Originally Posted by Canniecanuck
I may be confused so please bare with me here. They have only been here a few months so far so my understanding for the Canadian Experience Class is that they will need a minimum of 12 months experience before they can use this as for this type of application.
That's correct, they'll need a full year of skilled work experience in Canada to be eligible to apply.

Originally Posted by Canniecanuck
They will also have a job offer as they are currently in permanent, full time positions but would they need an LIMA?
Nope. https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...ia-exempt.html

Originally Posted by Canniecanuck
I apologize if I am using the wrong terms - I have read before that you can apply for an EE/CEC but thought that the points for this weren't as important.
No need to apologise at all. CRS points are for all applications that come under EE, including CEC. So they'll still need to be scoring enough to be in with a chance of an ITA. But once they've got their year of working in Canada, that may give them enough, is the 420 score what they're scoring now, or is that with the Canadian work experience?
christmasoompa is offline  
Old Jul 18th 2019, 7:57 pm
  #7  
Forum Regular
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 33
Canniecanuck is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Re: NOC Codes & Jon Descriptions

I think the 413 might be with with Canadian experience for one of them. If they can both get Canadian experience in a B class job it would only go up to around 420. Looks like they may be out of luck for a future in Canada but I guess they will never know if they don't put their hat in the ring.

Canniecanuck is offline  
Old Jul 18th 2019, 8:00 pm
  #8  
Lost in BE Cyberspace
 
Joined: Nov 2011
Location: Somewhere between Vancouver & St Johns
Posts: 19,846
Former Lancastrian has a reputation beyond reputeFormer Lancastrian has a reputation beyond reputeFormer Lancastrian has a reputation beyond reputeFormer Lancastrian has a reputation beyond reputeFormer Lancastrian has a reputation beyond reputeFormer Lancastrian has a reputation beyond reputeFormer Lancastrian has a reputation beyond reputeFormer Lancastrian has a reputation beyond reputeFormer Lancastrian has a reputation beyond reputeFormer Lancastrian has a reputation beyond reputeFormer Lancastrian has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: NOC Codes & Jon Descriptions

Next question would be are they eligible under the Federal Skilled Trades (not FSW) or could they be nominated by a Province? FST has a lower points system but not as many EE draws.
Former Lancastrian is offline  
Old Jul 18th 2019, 8:08 pm
  #9  
Forum Regular
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 33
Canniecanuck is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Re: NOC Codes & Jon Descriptions

Thanks but I don't think they would fall under the Federal Skills Trades. I just had a look over the last year on the numbers for the draws and there aren't very many that are below 440. Looks like they should consider maybe doing some study whilst they are here to help bolster their scores.

Does anyone know if an online course, done through a Canadian School needs a Study permit or not?
Canniecanuck is offline  
Old Jul 18th 2019, 8:22 pm
  #10  
Lost in BE Cyberspace
 
Joined: Nov 2011
Location: Somewhere between Vancouver & St Johns
Posts: 19,846
Former Lancastrian has a reputation beyond reputeFormer Lancastrian has a reputation beyond reputeFormer Lancastrian has a reputation beyond reputeFormer Lancastrian has a reputation beyond reputeFormer Lancastrian has a reputation beyond reputeFormer Lancastrian has a reputation beyond reputeFormer Lancastrian has a reputation beyond reputeFormer Lancastrian has a reputation beyond reputeFormer Lancastrian has a reputation beyond reputeFormer Lancastrian has a reputation beyond reputeFormer Lancastrian has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: NOC Codes & Jon Descriptions

Originally Posted by Canniecanuck
Thanks but I don't think they would fall under the Federal Skills Trades. I just had a look over the last year on the numbers for the draws and there aren't very many that are below 440. Looks like they should consider maybe doing some study whilst they are here to help bolster their scores.

Does anyone know if an online course, done through a Canadian School needs a Study permit or not?
If 6 months or less No.
I suggest reading this link about studying and DLI's.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...dy-permit.html
Former Lancastrian is offline  
Old Jul 18th 2019, 8:33 pm
  #11  
SUPER MODERATOR
 
christmasoompa's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Location: In a darkened room somewhere.............
Posts: 34,025
christmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: NOC Codes & Jon Descriptions

Originally Posted by Canniecanuck
Thanks but I don't think they would fall under the Federal Skills Trades. I just had a look over the last year on the numbers for the draws and there aren't very many that are below 440. Looks like they should consider maybe doing some study whilst they are here to help bolster their scores.

Does anyone know if an online course, done through a Canadian School needs a Study permit or not?
I don’t think they have enough time to get a qualification worth any points before their IEC expires tbh.

Which province are they in?
christmasoompa is offline  
Old Jul 24th 2019, 1:26 pm
  #12  
Forum Regular
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 33
Canniecanuck is an unknown quantity at this point
Unhappy Re: NOC Codes & Jon Descriptions

Hello, they are in Ontario. I'm not sure what they will do going forward. I think they are going to have to enjoy their 2 years on the IEC and then head back to England.
Canniecanuck is offline  
Old Jul 24th 2019, 2:58 pm
  #13  
Banned
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Location: SW Ontario
Posts: 19,879
Siouxie has a reputation beyond reputeSiouxie has a reputation beyond reputeSiouxie has a reputation beyond reputeSiouxie has a reputation beyond reputeSiouxie has a reputation beyond reputeSiouxie has a reputation beyond reputeSiouxie has a reputation beyond reputeSiouxie has a reputation beyond reputeSiouxie has a reputation beyond reputeSiouxie has a reputation beyond reputeSiouxie has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: NOC Codes & Jon Descriptions

Originally Posted by Canniecanuck
Hello Forum

My nephew and his wife are both here working under an IEC work permit but are looking at apply for the EE via CEC once they have completed a years experience.

My question is around the NOC code and job description. If your job title is not listed are you okay choosing a code that is similar where the lead statement and key roles match what you do?

Is it it expected that you would do every single role that is listed or is there an expected percentage of the roles that are required?

How do you go about proving that your role matches the code - do you just provide proof of your job description and a letter from your employer?

As a rule of thumb does a CEC application take a year or less to process? In as much as would they have time before their IEC visa expires. They have both been lucky to have secured jobs within 2 months of arriving here so hoping that the timeline isn’t too tight.

Thanks

What is it that they are doing.. what jobs in what industries? Some Provinces have Provincial Nomination streams for specific jobs/ industries, even lower level jobs provided they have worked for a minimum of 6 months within the Province.
Siouxie is offline  
Old Jul 29th 2019, 5:13 pm
  #14  
Forum Regular
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 33
Canniecanuck is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Re: NOC Codes & Jon Descriptions

She is doing an account manager role in an IT tech company so her role falls within the NOC code 6221 Technical Sales Specialist - Wholesale Trade. He is working with a company in a semi logistics role so at the moment we don't think that it falls within a B banded NOC job.

An interesting question about their education - they sent off their school certificates to have them evaluated for their EE (Can't remember which organisation but one of the ones on the list) and it didn't come back with a definitive answer. They were both education in England and did their GCSE's and then stayed on for two further years to do A levels. Would this be counted as 'post secondary' education or the same as completed high school?
Canniecanuck is offline  
Old Jul 29th 2019, 5:27 pm
  #15  
SUPER MODERATOR
 
christmasoompa's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2007
Location: In a darkened room somewhere.............
Posts: 34,025
christmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond reputechristmasoompa has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: NOC Codes & Jon Descriptions

Originally Posted by Canniecanuck
She is doing an account manager role in an IT tech company so her role falls within the NOC code 6221 Technical Sales Specialist - Wholesale Trade. He is working with a company in a semi logistics role so at the moment we don't think that it falls within a B banded NOC job.

An interesting question about their education - they sent off their school certificates to have them evaluated for their EE (Can't remember which organisation but one of the ones on the list) and it didn't come back with a definitive answer. They were both education in England and did their GCSE's and then stayed on for two further years to do A levels. Would this be counted as 'post secondary' education or the same as completed high school?
Secondary usually, A levels don't count as post-secondary.
christmasoompa is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.